GUILTY UK - Nurse Lucy Letby, murder of babies, 7 Guilty of murder verdicts; 7 Guilty of attempted murder; 2 Not Guilty of attempted; 6 hung re attempted #31

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For people that were asking, this is the article that has more details about LL and the doctor friend who was 17 years older than her with teen age children?! So inappropriate on both sides, IMO!! I had thought maybe he was 5-10 years older, not almost 20!

Sounds like he’s done well for himself with a cushy job at another hospital. I do feel bad for his family though.
It's not inappropriate, other than the fact that he was married. You may be surprised how common it is for young women to date much older men. I've been out with women much younger women, current one is a 22 year age gap.

Many, many young women flat out refuse date guys their own age, usually due to terrible experiences. It's a story I've heard dozens of times.
 
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I wonder if LL having been an only child may have hidden any indications of problems in her childhood. eg if she had not been an only, then jealousy of a sibling may have been noticed, unwillingness to share, perhaps attention-seeking. (apologies to all you "onlies" out there! )
 
She was due to return to the neonatal unit in March 2017?!!!

The information and timelines now coming out are absolutely shocking!!!! Consultants being ignored, action not being taken, doctors being forced to apologist, not contacting police in order to protect & preserve the hospitals name/image, almost reinstating her into her post!!!! I am ANGRY beyond belief, those families & those babies were failed - not only by LL, but by those who should have been preserving safety above all else, instead they cared more about the hospital image.
The consultants are my heroes!
 
It's not inappropriate, other than the fact that he was married. You may be surprised how common it is for young women to date much older men. I've been out with women much younger women, current one is a 22 year age gap.

Many, many young women flat out refuse date guys their own age, usually due to terrible experiences. It's a story I've heard dozens of times.
Truthfully I don't think women are more at risk of abuse from men their own age than they are from older men, it probably depends on their situation and individual circumstances. Savior complex is common, as is the desire to be rescued. Nothing wrong with it IMO so long as no one's getting manipulated or controlled.

As for Dr Choc. Seems possible IMO LL was using him for her own purposes: so he would defend her if accusations came her way, so he would feed her information from the consultants, etc.

I'm not buying the narrative that she did this to get his attention. Seems over simplistic to me. Someone who seeks power and control and wants to harm helpless babies probably might lust after attention, but it's on a grander scale than from just one individual IMO.
 
having spent years nursing I've been considering this case from the perspective of a nurse.

I've met nurses that should never have been nurses, that lacked compassion and basic humanity and I detested them.
But if I had ever seen one of them harming a patient and if the hospital authorities didn't take a complaint seriously i would have been down at the police station and told them I would have been going there.

The police would look for proof because they need everything handed to them.
It's unlikely I would have had any proof unless I had video evidence but most nurses wouldn't film it, they'd stop it..

There exists a culture of secrecy in hospitals.
i look back and remember taking care of a 4 bedded ICU, otorhinolaryngology unit, a 2 bedded emergency serious epistaxis ward, and a 16 bedded general ENT, all at the same time with one other nurse at most, at least 4 patients would have been post laryngectomy, requiring almost constant suctioning...
12 hr shifts.

And we were meant to make porridge and give out breakfasts too because it was not considered appropriate for the kitchen staff to come in too early..

It was dangerous. Constantly dangerous.
It continues today.
Still dangerous.
Dangerous because? Because you couldn't stay to do constant suctioning?
 
For people that were asking, this is the article that has more details about LL and the doctor friend who was 17 years older than her with teen age children?! So inappropriate on both sides, IMO!! I had thought maybe he was 5-10 years older, not almost 20!

Sounds like he’s done well for himself with a cushy job at another hospital. I do feel bad for his family though.
His family obviously don't know. He has appeared in court behind a screen.
 
Truthfully I don't think women are more at risk of abuse from men their own age than they are from older men, it probably depends on their situation and individual circumstances. Savior complex is common, as is the desire to be rescued. Nothing wrong with it IMO so long as no one's getting manipulated or controlled.

As for Dr Choc. Seems possible IMO LL was using him for her own purposes: so he would defend her if accusations came her way, so he would feed her information from the consultants, etc.

I'm not buying the narrative that she did this to get his attention. Seems over simplistic to me. Someone who seeks power and control and wants to harm helpless babies probably might lust after attention, but it's on a grander scale than from just one individual IMO.
good point about finding a more superior defender of her. JMO
 
I've seen people on here saying she enjoyed killing. I don't think that's necessarily the case. It could have been some kind of sick compulsion, with no enjoyment involved.
Yes I see it as a compulsion. Compulsion with control. Maybe she struggled all her life to have any control until she went to do the nursing degree? I was struck by the going on holiday 3 times a year to Torquay sounds stifling to me. It conjures up in my mind images of the same 'boarding house' with the same landlady. Same old, boring holiday 3 times a year. Once a year, every year would be boring but 3 times a year. Though LL stated she didn't like new people, new places, so perhaps her family knew she liked routine and sameness and yet something in her drove her to move away from them, which must have meant putting herself in uncomfortable situation and having to adjust. I wonder if she pushed her own capabilities (of the sameness) too far and it opened up more vulnerabilities in her and some sort of mental condition that took over during her stress. Maybe she had bitten off more than she could chew. Maybe, just maybe her parents knew keeping her close meant they knew she operated better that way. Just my thoughts. JMO MOO
 
Do you mean because then they get paid to go fight the fire ?
I knew a nurse who was a pyromaniac at nursing college. Kept setting fire to the building. She didn't become a nurse in the end as she got caught out. She was someone who fronted at normal but if you really dug deep she wasn't at all.
 
I wonder if LL having been an only child may have hidden any indications of problems in her childhood. eg if she had not been an only, then jealousy of a sibling may have been noticed, unwillingness to share, perhaps attention-seeking. (apologies to all you "onlies" out there! )
and having parents who always did the same thing, like going to the same holiday place 3 times a year, every year, might have seemed normal to them, but strange to outsiders. JMO
 
Feeling so very sombre this evening. Too many thoughts and emotions. Mainly sadness and anger.

This is one of the most horrific and terrifying cases our country has ever seen. Not just a nurse but a neonatal nurse, the amount of trust parents have to put into these nurses is beyond measure. I practically had to be dragged away from my baby every night because I hated leaving her there to be looked after by strangers. You’ve just given birth, your hormones are going crazy, you’re up on the ward full of other mums with their babies crying, family and friends coming in with balloons and taking pictures. I’ll never forget being discharged while my daughter was still in neonatal walking out the doors without her and seeing other parents leaving carrying their babies cosy in car seats. I sobbed all the way home.

Now I think of those parents who never got to take their baby home. Had to go back and pack away the Moses basket, the clothes, the nappies, the car seat. When your baby is in neonatal the only thing you have to look forward to is your baby coming home, you hope and pray for that day and it’s all you focus on. LL ripped that hope from so many parents. She stamped all over their hearts, betrayed their trust in the worst way possible, abused her position as someone trusted to care for these vulnerable little babies, she revelled in every single moment.

She excitedly text colleagues wanting them all to know about the drama we now know she’d caused. She pretended to think it was ‘awful’, pretended to feel sorry for the parents, spoke about dads being on the floor screaming. She looked into parents eyes and said she was sorry for their loss, she made memory boxes and dressed their tiny little bodies, she gloated about having given one victim her first bath. She portrayed herself as a hardworking, devoted, career driven nurse. She pretended to care. She stole handover notes so she’d always remember parents names, she kept them as trophies, she searched for parents on Facebook on Christmas Day hoping to see a ‘missing you at Christmas’ post so she could enjoy seeing the heartache she’d caused. She wrote a sympathy card with hollow empty words. She told bereaved parents ‘you’ve had long enough now put him in here’ or (words to that effect) as they cradled their dying child.

She hovered around that unit like the grim reaper. And now her evil house of cards has collapsed around her she can’t even face the music in court, she can’t even come up to hear her fate, face the parents, face her parents. She wants complete power and control, and because she’s lost it in every other aspect, the only control she has left is denying her victims parents the chance to physically see her get sentenced and taken away as a convicted multiple murderer.

I have never felt so much total disdain and hatred for an individual in my life. The betrayal is horrifying, the level of calculation and deceit is terrifying. Plain boring ‘nice’ Nurse Lucy - The most prolific child killer of recent times, the only neonatal serial killer in British history. I hope she is haunted forever.

There’s a lump in my throat that just won’t go away. Even though we felt it coming at some point, the reality is really sinking in and it’s so difficult to fathom that anyone could do this but she said it herself ‘I AM EVIL I DID THIS’ - yes she did and now the world knows it too.

This is all JMO and IMOO
You've said everything here I wanted to say but haven't and I would like to read this in a newspaper. You've said it all in a short space, so succinctly. I agree with every word you've written here. JMO.
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Today is the first day I’ve ever heard Lucy’s voice. She’s so softly spoken, intelligent. She could have had a tremendous, loving life. What went wrong?
I would say what went wrong is that she managed to fly under the radar of normalcy above the water but under the water was pedaling like mad to stay afloat, hiding some peculiarities that one day, that once living alone, surfaced more, perhaps? JMO
Edited to ask: Did the offending begin when she began living alone, or before? Does anyone know? MOO
 
Truthfully I don't think women are more at risk of abuse from men their own age than they are from older men, it probably depends on their situation and individual circumstances. Savior complex is common, as is the desire to be rescued. Nothing wrong with it IMO so long as no one's getting manipulated or controlled.

As for Dr Choc. Seems possible IMO LL was using him for her own purposes: so he would defend her if accusations came her way, so he would feed her information from the consultants, etc.

I'm not buying the narrative that she did this to get his attention. Seems over simplistic to me. Someone who seeks power and control and wants to harm helpless babies probably might lust after attention, but it's on a grander scale than from just one individual IMO.

I agree that what drove her was far more complicated than a simple desire for attention and certainly not simply directed towards one person. The answers, if they are even identified, will be much more convoluted and grand. People love easy answers, though, so "attention seeking" or some variation of that will be what most people settle on, I think.
 
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