Bumping this post for the link, in case anybody has missed it. ( have to click on her reply to get to the link)
which is exactly what many legal expert commentators have said these last few days.
There are always disputes between doctors and managers. They have different agendas. They also have different lines of accountability
Or covert narcissist. This seems to match so well:
www.healthline.com
That is exactly right.various expert, personal views in the G's letters pages.
A Consultant paediatrician &a senior clinical nurse with more than 40 years’ experience & somebody who was involved in the ' review of the NHS hospitals complaints system, in the wake of the Mid Staffordshire calamity' give their views
snippets from two quoted below, the rest is at the link:
'A neonatal database flagging a spike in deaths would not have helped – neonatologists, who submit the reports to these databases, were aware of the spike as it happened. They had identified the suspected perpetrator, but they were obstructed by their managers.
The consultants should have felt able to report suspicions directly to the police. An independent ombudsman might have given them more confidence, but a change in the management culture of the NHS is needed. No good will come from scapegoating individual managers via a public inquiry – this way of working has been imposed by Whitehall.'
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'The report ( Mid Staffs) identified a “toxic cocktail”, in which there was a defensiveness on the part of hospitals to hear and address legitimate concerns, a fear of complaining among patients and a lack of trust in the system. Patients witnessed pressure on clinical and other staff to be silent about untoward events. Since then, few of the recommendations of the review have been carried out to improve confidence that complaining is worthwhile and can achieve change.'
NHS’s culture of denial allowed Lucy Letby to keep killing babies | Letters
Letters: Dr Maybelle Wallis says the health service’s authoritarian management culture has to change. Plus letters from Sharon Grant, Eddie Dougall and a nurse who tried to raise a complaintwww.theguardian.com
Is there any other line of work where if you suspect your colleague of killing people, you are told to keep quiet about it? No wonder people mistrust the medical profession.various expert, personal views in the G's letters pages.
A Consultant paediatrician &a senior clinical nurse with more than 40 years’ experience & somebody who was involved in the ' review of the NHS hospitals complaints system, in the wake of the Mid Staffordshire calamity' give their views
snippets from two quoted below, the rest is at the link:
'A neonatal database flagging a spike in deaths would not have helped – neonatologists, who submit the reports to these databases, were aware of the spike as it happened. They had identified the suspected perpetrator, but they were obstructed by their managers.
The consultants should have felt able to report suspicions directly to the police. An independent ombudsman might have given them more confidence, but a change in the management culture of the NHS is needed. No good will come from scapegoating individual managers via a public inquiry – this way of working has been imposed by Whitehall.'
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'The report ( Mid Staffs) identified a “toxic cocktail”, in which there was a defensiveness on the part of hospitals to hear and address legitimate concerns, a fear of complaining among patients and a lack of trust in the system. Patients witnessed pressure on clinical and other staff to be silent about untoward events. Since then, few of the recommendations of the review have been carried out to improve confidence that complaining is worthwhile and can achieve change.'
NHS’s culture of denial allowed Lucy Letby to keep killing babies | Letters
Letters: Dr Maybelle Wallis says the health service’s authoritarian management culture has to change. Plus letters from Sharon Grant, Eddie Dougall and a nurse who tried to raise a complaint
For sure 100%. One difference in responsibility is protecting their staffs interests for instance from in work false accusations, what I don’t get is the dispute by itself. Neither party had any say on the decision to involve that second external agency when it came to the tragic deaths on the unit. They are not as far as I know allowed to not involve that second agency. If that’s the case either group could make that call.
She is going to be provided with copies of the statements and sentence but as part of her motive seemed to be to witness the parents' pain and grief, and she kept paper "souvenirs" of her attacks under her bed (handover sheets, resus notes, blood gas reports) I don't think giving her copies is the best idea.
The armed forces comes to mind.
Good point! Oh, and the police.
The house and the new owner
'I bought Lucy Letby's home' where she lived as she killed babies
Dean Porter, a wind turbine technician, paid £201,000 in 2019 for the three-bedroom semi-detached property in Chester where monster Letby was arrested.www-dailymail-co-uk.cdn.ampproject.org
Yes sure, probably an overlap, as I say she has a superiority complex (self-aggrandising is part of psychopathy) but the psychopath does actually cause serious outright harm, callously (not just killers - many 'ordinary' people in life, politicians, business leaders, many in powerful positions eg police), while according to the article covert narcissists are more on the passive aggressive side. Which I admit Letby seems as well. Hence the overlap.Or covert narcissist. This seems to match so well:
Covert Narcissist: Signs, Causes, and How to Respond
Someone with covert narcissism is quite a bit different from what most people think of when they imagine a narcissist. Learn the signs, causes, and more.
Have just listened to that while doing some chores.
But then why were further notes and medical notes found during the second search a year later ? None of it makes any sense to me.
was that second search the search at the parents' house?
The parents house, Lucy’s house and her workplace were all searched on her first arrest.
