UK - Prince Andrew accused of underage sexual relationship, 1999 - 2002

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This is not about having sex with underaged girls, it's about child sex trafficking, which is illegal in most developed countries. Moreover, if diplomatic immunity protects people from being charged for child sex trafficking, then we, as a so-called civilized society, need to revisit our laws.

In any event, here is the alleged child sex trafficking victim's affidavit: Exhibit 1 (PDF)

But he isn't the one doing the trafficking, so he would not be responsible.

In any case I find that account in the affidavit dubious. According to her all this started when she was 15 and continued until she was at least 17 (and we can presume longer). That is a long time, and presumably she would have seen clients many time in that period. Yet she can remember individual details about who, when and where she did all these things. That is not credible. Did she take notes while this was going on, and if so, were they presented as evidence? She talks specifically about a small number of particular people and does not mention more general things about these years. IMO that is characteristic of a fabricated story. Remember, her suit is not against these named individuals, it is about her experience in general, but the emphasis is not on that, instead she focuses on these individuals. She claims that when she first went to the mansion, her father was not allowed in. Did this not seem odd to anyone, considering she was 15 at the time? If what she is saying is true, then her family must have been colluding with it, otherwise it does not seem reasonable. Then she claims to be forced to do these things. If she was forced, then why would she be being paid these large amounts of money? $400 net for a client is pretty good money for an escort, and very, very few of them ever get paid $15000 to see a client. Money like that is the absolute pinnacle of the escort world. She is being revisionist IMO, she was not forced to do anything, she was doing this for the money. She suggests that she got paid so much to see Andrew because that somehow would give Epstein a hold over him, BUT, this was in England where having sex with a 17 year old is NOT illegal, not to mention that unless a recording was made of them having sex it would be impossible to blackmail him anyway. So how would her having sex with him one time be worth $15000, but another time $400? That does not make sense at all. Her account and rationale of that is simply not credible.
 
Britain’s Prince Andrew has dodged a second attempt to get him to talk under oath about his alleged romp with a self-described teenage “sex slave” of billionaire pedophile Jeffrey Epstein.

The British Embassy in Washington, DC sent the second interview request from lawyers for Virginia Roberts back to its sender, claiming it wasn’t addressed properly.

“We ask that you accept the enclosed correspondence to His Royal Highness and forward it to him on our behalf,” reads the letter, which was penned by attorney Jack Scarola on behalf of Roberts’ lawyers.

The documents include a “formal request” to interview the prince under oath regarding his alleged sexual relationship with the now 30-year-old Roberts when she was just 17.

But an embassy spokesperson said the papers weren’t sent “via the appropriate channels.”


http://pagesix.com/2015/01/29/princ...-slave/?_ga=1.255480008.1173471576.1422135095
 
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The notion of Charles 'spitting' brings with it an unfortunate image of his elephantine ears spinning 'round on his oblong head and his nostrils issuing forth bursts of steam like twin teapots aboil.

Wait- wasn't there a character like that in Beauty and the Beast?
 
Model agency head accused of supplying girls to Jeffrey Epstein ‘strongly’ denies claims

MC2 Model Management co-founder Jean Luc Brunel has denied any claims made by Roberts, saying he has not 'committed any illicit act or any wrongdoing.' In court papers filed, Virginia Roberts alleges that Luc Brunel would bring young girls to the U.S. and 'farm them out to his friends, including Epstein.'

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...jeffrey-epstein-young-girls-article-1.2106047
 
Young woman at the centre of Prince Andrew scandal says the FBI have videos of her having sex with Jeffrey Epstein and 'powerful friends' while she was underage

Virginia Roberts alleges she was 'loaned out' to friends of Jeffrey Epstein

Named Prince Andrew and lawyer Alan Dershowitz among those involved

Claimed she was forced to have sex with prince on three occasions

In sworn statement filed yesterday, she claimed FBI possess key evidence

Said Epstein had cameras in rooms where she had sex while underage

Believes that FBI now has the videos which would support her claims

Prince Andrew, Alan Dershowitz, Jeffrey Epstein strongly deny allegations

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...associates-Jeffrey-Epstein.html#ixzz3R675zhg2
 
There’s another shoe.

Teen “sex slave” Virginia Roberts, who had alleged romps with Prince Andrew, said she had names of more A-listers involved in the hanky-panky ring, according to court documents obtained by RadarOnline.

But Roberts, who helped bring down financier and ringleader Jeffrey Epstein, said she is withholding the names “out of fear for physical repercussions.”

http://pagesix.com/2015/02/10/teen-...ex-ring/?_ga=1.31555198.1173471576.1422135095
 
Of course as Ernest Saunders proves, if you're sent down and you're part of the establishment you quickly get transferred to an open prison and released on compassionate grounds via an incurable disease that by some miracle cures itself...
 
Then she claims to be forced to do these things. If she was forced, then why would she be being paid these large amounts of money? $400 net for a client is pretty good money for an escort, and very, very few of them ever get paid $15000 to see a client. Money like that is the absolute pinnacle of the escort world. She is being revisionist IMO, she was not forced to do anything, she was doing this for the money.
Here's a good article to explain how sex trafficking actually works.

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It’s almost never an abduction, Dalton explained. It’s not like that Liam Neeson movie, “Taken,” which is what a lot of people think, he said.

“It is an abuse of love or trust,” he said. “It’s this deep psychological manipulation that’s almost like Stockholm Syndrome. They don’t see it as exploitation, even if these men take their money or abuse them.”

Traffickers will go and seek out women with low self-esteem and then shower them with attention, money or care. It might start as a romantic relationship, like finding a new boyfriend.

“They look for children who live in poverty, runaway youth or kids in foster kids that don’t get the attention that they need from adults in their lives,” he said. “But at some point, the trafficker will do a bait and switch. They’ll groom this person over time until they become compliant and have sex in order to receive affection. A trauma bond is created.”
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That said, I certainly understand your pov wrt some of the victim's claims. Otoh, the disbelief is why high-profile people manage to regularly get away with behavior that would put your average joe in prison. They count on it. That I can see, this is not a situation where she came along and said, me too, with no supporting evidence. She had pictures, and, there may be videos.

The thing is, survivors have been claiming this very thing for decades. In fact, it was their stories, some as seemingly incredulous as the stories coming from the Epstein sex trafficking victims, that got me into researching more deeply into sex trafficking specifically, and human trafficking, generally. And, what I have learned over the past two decades is that it is nothing at all like the media portrays it.

As for the money bit? Do you realize that pedos take throw-away kids into their homes, pay for their clothing, send them to school. And what do they get/expect in exchange? Sex. Of course the process is not that crude. They groom the child, profess love. Yet, when that child ages out of their preferred age, they kick that child to the curb. Otherwise put, it does not matter that the perp fed, clothed, and put a roof over the child's head. The child is still the victim and the perp is still the perp.
 
New article

"The woman who has accused Jeffery Epstein of keeping her as a sex slave was actually a money-hungry sex kitten' who enjoyed her lavish lifestyle, former friends have claimed.

Virginia Roberts is currently in the midst of a lawsuit claiming she was recruited to join Epstein's harem of underage women in 1999, naming Prince Andrew and attorney Alan Dershowitz as two of the men she was made to 'service'.

But those who used to be close to the 31-year-old say she relished her role as his 'travelling masseuse' and never acted like she was being held captive.

Philip Guderyon, who used to date Roberts and would drive her to Epstein's Pal Beach, Florida, mansion told the New York Daily News: 'She was like the head *advertiser censored*. She’d have like nine or 10 girls she used to bring to him."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seuse-former-friends-claim.html#ixzz3T9ypmMCt
 
New article

"The woman who has accused Jeffery Epstein of keeping her as a sex slave was actually a money-hungry sex kitten' who enjoyed her lavish lifestyle, former friends have claimed...

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...seuse-former-friends-claim.html#ixzz3T9ypmMCt

This article isn't discussing any facts concerning the recent allegations against public figures. The allegations are against some powerful figures and Epstein was convicted, so it's interesting now some "unknown former friends" have an opinion on whether Roberts "enjoyed" sex trafficking/prostitution in an MSM article (focusing on Ms. Roberts enjoyment, really?). Interesting that one of the former friends also said in the article that Roberts tried to get out of it; sex trafficking is a complicated crime, so I am not sure what article is trying to do? I sure hope digging up dirt isn't going on (or victim-blaming), otherwise it may come back to bite MSM/others that attempt it. Just my opinion.
 
Relieved Prince Andrew makes first official appearance since he was accused of having sex with under-age girl days after lurid claims were thrown out

Andrew has made his first official visit since sex claims were thrown out

The Duke visited the AkzoNobel paint factory in Slough, Berkshire

Appeared visibly relieved and was on noticeably cheerful form

Claims were thrown out by judge Kenneth Marra last Wednesday

Virginia Roberts claimed she had been forced to have sex with the Duke

Andrew has always vehemently denied the allegations are true

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...charges-against-thrown-out.html#ixzz3XFMxMctE
 
Prince Andrew's extraordinary new mission to save teenage sex slaves: After THOSE lurid accusations in US are dropped, the Duke acts to save girls beaten, starved and forced into sex

Prince Andrew has changed the fate of 100 vulnerable women in Calcutta

They were rescued from brothels, child labour and trafficking by charity

Key to Freedom was launched by the Duke after a trip to India in 2012

He recently denied allegations he had slept with a sex slave in America

The accusations, made by Virginia Roberts, have been struck from court records

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-beaten-starved-forced-sex.html#ixzz3XivRYjSl
 
Dershowitz 16 Oct 2015 deposition (pdf)
 
A long-awaited-for trial that promises a first-ever exploration of the sexual misdeeds of billionaire convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein is expected to begin Dec. 4 in Palm Beach County Circuit Court.

Much-anticipated Jeffrey Epstein civil case trial set for Dec. 4

Actually, that case has nothing to do with forum topic. It involves some dispute between Epstein and a lawyer regarding a Ponzi scheme that apparently was run after Epstein settled with the women making claims about him. The lawyer was claiming that Epstein made malicious claims about him in a lawsuit regarding that incident, if I am reading the article correctly.
 
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