GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #6

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11.03am - Becky sends her last text. She is killed and her body, phone and laptop are put in the boot of Matthews' and Hoare's Vauxhall Zafira parked on the driveway.
12.45pm - Mrs Galsworthy returns from hospital....
Between 6pm-7pm - Matthews and Hoare leave Crown Hill and drive home.
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So hey sat around at the Galsworthy house ALL DAY with Becky's body in the boot of their car outside? That's almost unbelievable cold hearted gall.

The whole case is quite horrible.
 
Ive finally read through the FB postings for today's part of the trial. Horrific. It would appear that the power saw was used, previously I thought that this probably wasn't the case, given the mess ( I hate typing that) it would create. There must be multiple DNA evidence from the bathroom that hasn't been presented yet. Also I would imagine DNA from Becky's fingernails.

I don't think I've seen anything so awful since the Wests, and we never really heard the full extent of that after Fred Wests suicide.
Absolute monsters IMO.
 
bos said:
Just catching up on the day's proceedings; thanks for the updates.



One thing that I am confused about - the evidence of the police who went round to Barton Court and found the body parts.

I thought that NM had told the police where Becky's body was ? but the police evidence says that when they went to Barton Court, they discovered the suitcases and bags and did not know what was in them ?




This is confusing to me also; the way the evidence was given made it sound like the police/detective just happened to be patrolling that area & no concrete reason for stopping JI & KD in the blue fiesta. I can only assume that this is because the evidence re NM's post arrest interview and subsequent (written) disclosure hasn't been presented to the jury by the officers involved yet.

I'm not sure why NM's pre-arrest interviews are being presented as transcripts rather than video or audio recordings like SH's are?
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Maybe as SH is pleading not guilty to ALL charges??
 
I'm glad that BW's dad is staying so strong for his family. I hope all the trash talking accusers pointing at him during that first week or so are eating crow. While I admit his actions after the disappearance were odd, what is 'normal' when you are missing a child? Always best to stick to facts. :)

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Been trying to work this all out and I am confused as ever!

I know fact can be stranger than fiction but I just don't buy a lot of what is being said.

* Why would they go round to abduct/frighten/kill Becky when they only had an hour or so before AG came back?
* Why would they plan to do all this when they had their little child with them?
* Did Becky actually die in her bedroom?
* Was she maybe restrained and taken somewhere else?
* Was her body (alive/dead) put in the car and removed before AG returned. (Thus the body wouldn't be lying just feet from everyone all day)
* What was SH's reasoning for hurting Becky? She is a mum and preg with twins - what is she thinking?!

It's not even worth commenting on SH claims of innocence - only a fool would believe she knew nothing, especially of the aftermath.
 
CoverMeCagney said:
Random thoughts and ramblings by me:

Suffocation/strangulation issue - could he/she/they have had a hand round her neck and one over her mouth at the same time? If she passed out due to pressure on her neck she could have suffocated as was unable to struggle.

Do we know where the knife was from? Did they take it with them or was it from Beckys kitchen?

The fact their child is a little girl somehow makes this even worse.

I've got a couple of pages to catch up on so forgive me if this has been said.
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I believe the knife wounds were inflicted at NM/SH home - not at Beckys, otherwise the mess left there would have been picked up quite quickly by police

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Thistlegirl said:
Been trying to work this all out and I am confused as ever!

I know fact can be stranger than fiction but I just don't buy a lot of what is being said.

* Why would they go round to abduct/frighten/kill Becky when they only had an hour or so before AG came back?
* Why would they plan to do all this when they had their little child with them?
* Did Becky actually die in her bedroom?
* Was she maybe restrained and taken somewhere else?
* Was her body (alive/dead) put in the car and removed before AG returned. (Thus the body wouldn't be lying just feet from everyone all day)
* What was SH's reasoning for hurting Becky? She is a mum and preg with twins - what is she thinking?!

It's not even worth commenting on SH claims of innocence - only a fool would believe she knew nothing, especially of the aftermath.
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Police have been pretty clear that Becky died in her bedroom and that all post mortem injuries were inflicted at NM/SM home

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CoverMeCagney said:
Random thoughts and ramblings by me:

Suffocation/strangulation issue - could he/she/they have had a hand round her neck and one over her mouth at the same time? If she passed out due to pressure on her neck she could have suffocated as was unable to struggle.

Do we know where the knife was from? Did they take it with them or was it from Beckys kitchen?

The fact their child is a little girl somehow makes this even worse.

I've got a couple of pages to catch up on so forgive me if this has been said.
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Yes it sickens me that a toddler was present while all this took place!
Thinking about why NM says suffocation instead of strangulation, perhaps he thought it sounded more 'accidental'...as in he 'may' say he just covered her mouth to keep her quiet. You 'could' accidentally suffocate someone but strangulation infers that it was much more deliberate and violent. Having said all that I don't think he has a hope in hell in persuading anyone it was an accident! Pure scum. MOO
 
sar2them1984 said:
Police have been pretty clear that Becky died in her bedroom and that all post mortem injuries were inflicted at NM/SM home

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Thanks. It still doesn't make sense to me though - too naive to think people like this exist!!

opefully the more evidence we hear the clearer it will become.
 
sar2them1984 said:
I believe the knife wounds were inflicted at NM/SH home - not at Beckys, otherwise the mess left there would have been picked up quite quickly by police
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But I thought there was blood on the doorframe of Becky bedroom? Also, stabbing a dead person would not produce as much mess as if the heart was still pumping blood.

Insp.Dots said:
Yes it sickens me that a toddler was present while all this took place!
Thinking about why NM says suffocation instead of strangulation, perhaps he thought it sounded more 'accidental'...as in he 'may' say he just covered her mouth to keep her quiet. You 'could' accidentally suffocate someone but strangulation infers that it was much more deliberate and violent. Having said all that I don't think he has a hope in hell in persuading anyone it was an accident! Pure scum. MOO
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I thought it was the other way round - he claimed he strangled her but post-mortem suggests suffocation? I may have misread. Please can someone clarify?

EDIT: yaaaay, I finally sussed out how to multiquote!!!!
 
SH is the new Myra Hindley for me- so cool and calm and so young as well... either completely deeply psychotic or so incredibly stupid to think they would get away with it- actually as far as killers go... they really excel at stupidity...

They were the last to see her- not a hope SH would not hear something from the garden...

I made this point last night but it was pretty late- HOW does the kidnap plan work? I mean BW KNEW their voices, manner, house, etc. Kidnap her and do WHAT? If SH knew sod all about the whole thing how on earth would NM kidnap her and then do what? Sneak her into the car with his girlfriend and child on the hope they wouldn't notice??? No that alone proves SH knew ALL about the kidnap plan and that brings me to the next part... after they kidnap her then what? Let her go? So she could tell everyone who and where? Like she wouldn't know who they were and where she was... How they would even GET her into that pig sty is beyond me. Keep her where in the house and to what end?

Sh sending that work text with the LOL... I wonder who is more disturbed in the mind- her or him? Did anyone else's skin crawl looking at pictures of their house- how can you live in that utter tip and even imagine yourself to be some kind of normal? BOTH of them? My house is a mess- don't get me wrong- but that was extreme to the end of.

JMO here now but SH is utterly disturbing to me. She is a mom and was pregnant at the time. I don't think she was acting under some spell for NM to keep him. I think he had a thing for Becky and SH was insane with jealousy and delighted to be rid of her tbh. I think not only was she fully aware of the entire situation- she was actively part of the whole thing as well and enjoyed it. No real MOTHER gets involved in a crime like this. And the child there as well- makes you shudder at the thought.

The defence will be interesting- obviously the two of them haven't much of an idea of forensics or how investigations actually work. The injuries after death show a complete hatred that makes me think more of a scorned woman than a guy- once again JMO. Extreme jealousy?

If Becky fought so hard- were any injuries on either of them noticed? That poor child. How I wish she had knocked them out with something!
 
Please could somebody post a link to the Facebook page that a few posters are referring to? Apologies if this goes against the rules and obviously delete if not warranted
 
Insp.Dots said:
Yes it sickens me that a toddler was present while all this took place!
Thinking about why NM says suffocation instead of strangulation, perhaps he thought it sounded more 'accidental'...as in he 'may' say he just covered her mouth to keep her quiet. You 'could' accidentally suffocate someone but strangulation infers that it was much more deliberate and violent. Having said all that I don't think he has a hope in hell in persuading anyone it was an accident! Pure scum. MOO
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It's the other way round. He admits he strangled her however the PM results says she was suffocated.

Nathan Matthews, the step-brother of Becky Watts, has admitted to killing the teen - but denies he ever murdered her.

The 28-year-old confessed responsibility for the teen's death, saying he strangled her, but says there was no intention to kill.
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http://www.itv.com/news/west/2015-10-07/step-brother-admits-killing-becky-watts/

He claims he strangled her after his mask slipped but the pathologist suggested she was suffocated, which needs more force.
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http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...-video-game-when-police-arrived-to-arrest-him
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12118928

There was some blood on the door frame which had NM fingerprint in it. I'm assuming it was a very small drop r had been cleaned up for the police not to have noticed it immediately.

Like I say Police have been very clear about what happened where so I think the blood came from the cuts Becky gained during the struggle or the blood is NMs (I would have thought we'd have heard if that were the case thoug)

And you are right, Becky was suffocated not strangled as NM is claiming


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Thomas Andrews said:
Please could somebody post a link to the Facebook page that a few posters are referring to? Apologies if this goes against the rules and obviously delete if not warranted
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The page is the UK & Eire Database for Crimes Against Children - they are providing an up to date coverage of the trial.

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sar2them1984 said:
The page is the UK & Eire Database for Crimes Against Children - they are providing an up to date coverage of the trial.

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They've been brilliant.

Maybe NM is just too thick to know the difference between strangulation and suffocation. He doesn't seem to be the sharpest of pencils.

SH's interviews are chilling. Maybe she did suffocate Becky. Eitherway, I believe she was involved at every stage and I'm confident that they'll be going down for a very long time.

I'm really looking forward to hearing evidence on the other four. I think that'll be pretty interesting.
 
sar2them1984 said:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12118928

There was some blood on the door frame which had NM fingerprint in it. I'm assuming it was a very small drop r had been cleaned up for the police not to have noticed it immediately.

Like I say Police have been very clear about what happened where so I think the blood came from the cuts Becky gained during the struggle or the blood is NMs (I would have thought we'd have heard if that were the case thoug)

And you are right, Becky was suffocated not strangled as NM is claiming


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About the blood on the door frame. Amidst all the horror of today's revelations, when I read an earlier post about that blood having NM's fingerprint, I had a horrible thought about something that may have happened.
I can't bring myself to go into detail, but does anyone else remember something said by Becky's dad when she was still believed to be missing, something personal that seemed an odd thing for her Dad to mention.
Sorry to be obtuse, can't bring myself to go there and say outright what I'm thinking.


JMO, MOO etc.
 
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