GUILTY UK - Rebecca Watts, 16, Bristol, 19 Feb 2015 #7

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Lots of people getting upset on UK & Eire- crimes against children fb page.

There are 10 women on the jury, will they be swayed by witnesses that SH is a pawn in NM's games? Controlled and groomed by him since age 14, she's a victim of NM's too?

I can't believe that a good person would allow their partner to rape and kill another person, a child in this case! Are we to suppose he possessed her like the devil? WTF?!
IMO, she should pay for her part in all of this.

Bit of a puzzle though. If SH ( or rather her defence ) is going down the SH was controlled and totally submissive route then surely SH would do whatever NM told her to do, including taking part in the killing.
Or are we supposed to believe that SH was so submissive that she asked no questions about anything NM did over those 4 days and managed not to need to use the bathroom during all that time because NM told her not to ?
 
Poor SH....'sarcasm'

I don't like the way this is going, but I trust the judge & jury will see through it. The witness is just giving her account but it is swaying in SH's favour. And her crying NOW, WTH.
 
ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago

Witness has finished. Court now hearing from a forensic professor who specialises in stabbing and dismemberment.


The Breeze SouthWest ‏@breezesouthwest 30s31 seconds ago

#BeckyWatts trial: Court now hearing from Sarah Hainsworth. She's a forensic professor.
 
ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 1m1 minute ago

She investigated the circular saw, the knife and screw driver found in the shed.
 
So NM could get whole of life under the category of
Child
Sexual Motive

so it is down to whether or not they can prove SH was involved in the murder - if so, then surely ( hopefully ) she would be charged under the same conditions and could have whole of life.
But, so far, I dont believe there has been evidence ( unfortunately ) to link her to the actual killing.
The evidence for SH assisting in the cover up etc is very good but what will she get for that - 10 yrs ?

They still have to prove it was murder, rather than the manslaughter which he has admitted. Although manslaughter still carries a maximum sentence of life imprisonment.
 
Bit of a puzzle though. If SH ( or rather her defence ) is going down the SH was controlled and totally submissive route then surely SH would do whatever NM told her to do, including taking part in the killing.
Or are we supposed to believe that SH was so submissive that she asked no questions about anything NM did over those 4 days and managed not to need to use the bathroom during all that time because NM told her not to ?

Hmmmm, that makes it interesting, because NM will have his version, and if he remains with taking the total blame, he will have to choose a or b too.
 
A couple of thoughts about the mentions of NM being controlling:

If SH was pregnant at the time then his concerns could be genuine concerns of not wanting his girlfriend to smoke whilst pregnant or drink alcohol (step dad also says they had a few drinks when they stayed over) or eat anything that might be bad for the baby.

Mr Stone said: “There was a night they stayed because they had a few drinks.”


Then there's this line from SH's step dad which seems to be from when they went to see him and becky's murder

Mr Stone said he got on all right with Nathan - but found him controlling this year.
When Shauna asked Mr Stone for one of his roll-up cigarettes, Nathan interrupted to say: “Well you don’t smoke at home so why do you want to smoke here”, the jury heard.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-recap-6601785

Very interesting that he doesnt appear to know she smoked and says she doesn't smoke at home, when her whole defence is built about her being outside having a cigarette when he killed Becky.
 
ITV Becky Trial ‏@ITVBeckyTrial 4m4 minutes ago

Jury being shown a second circular saw, identical to the one found in the shed. Family visibly moved.

The saw was bought by a police officer in the process of the investigation.

NM is bowing his head as this witness gives evidence about the saw, and how it is used.
 
Funny how they're both reacting to the evidence today..

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Nathan reacts for the first time in this trial - He is bowing his head as this witness gives evidence about the saw, and how it is used

You , so angry! This is so plain to see that they have been told to show emotion, it's disgusting tbh.
 
A couple of thoughts about the mentions of NM being controlling:

If SH was pregnant at the time then his concerns could be genuine concerns of not wanting his girlfriend to smoke whilst pregnant or drink alcohol (step dad also says they had a few drinks when they stayed over) or eat anything that might be bad for the baby.




Then there's this line from SH's step dad which seems to be from when they went to see him and becky's murder


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/becky-watts-murder-trial-recap-6601785

Very interesting that he doesnt appear to know she smoked and says she doesn't smoke at home, when her whole defence is built about her being outside having a cigarette when he killed Becky.

To add to this - in SH's initial police interview she said she'd been in the garden for a cig for 15-20 mins, and says something like "we came back up" [to go back into the house]. Given it was cold and it doesn't take that long to smoke a cig, and she used the word "we" I am guessing she was out there with her child as well. I think it's likely she knew something was going to happen, and it was agreed with NM she should go outside for a bit (for the childs sake).

I'm leaning towards SH NOT being in the bedroom when Becky was killed. With a child in the house this would be very risky. So it's a question of how complicit she was; whether the murder was planned together, or whether she genuinely though he was "just" going to scare/kidnap/hurt her. Of course her defence will be she genuinely knew nothing until later that night when NM confessed, threatened to kill her if she didn't comply etc etc. And it could be true. She still needs locking up for a good, long time. I'm remembering Maxine whatsername Huntley.
 
Nathan reacts for the first time in this trial - He is bowing his head as this witness gives evidence about the saw, and how it is used

You , so angry! This is so plain to see that they have been told to show emotion, it's disgusting tbh.

Probably advised by his solicitor to make some kind of gesture, like he's human. Ugh.
 
This is really interesting - how they decide on a murder sentence. Seems to me NM might get a whole life order, but what about Shauna?

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/murder/

Thanks for this - I have to say this makes me even more puzzled as to why NM is telling this (rather farfetched, TBH) kidnap story involving masks and stun guns! From the link it seems that he's giving them enough to get a whole life sentence (use of weapons, murder of child involving abduction, etc) whereas if he'd just said he and Becky had an argument which got out of hand while SH was outside having a cigarette, he'd be facing a lesser sentence, and it would be much easier to believe that SH wasn't involved in the actual murder at all. It also may have prevented the prosecution bringing in the threesome evidence as it wouldn't be relevant (even if it's ended up helping SH).

Even if the kidnap story were true, I really can't understand why he hasn't made up a less incriminating story - as they're the only two witnesses to what happened, they could've said anything. It doesn't make sense...
 
Would be interesting to know if NM was known to the police regarding violence to SH obviously the defence are working on giving the impression SH is a controlled scared little girl when I don't think she was I think she enjoyed all that came with NM and she is just as bad jmo
 
Nathan reacts for the first time in this trial - He is bowing his head as this witness gives evidence about the saw, and how it is used

You , so angry! This is so plain to see that they have been told to show emotion, it's disgusting tbh.

It does rather look as though the barristers have been busy with advice ! presumably they read social media as well
 
Didn't the coroner also say that in their opinion, a stun gun could be used without leaving any marks on the body?

I believe they did I also wonder if handcuffs were used on one wrist and no marks because that's where the circular saw cut there was also scorch marks on the bed linen I think
 
This is how I see it. SH stoked NM's fantasies started by underage *advertiser censored*, in attempt to please she texts him suggestively about abductions. SH attempts to initiate a 3some with the girl from NM's work, but it comes to nothing. NM feels frustrated. Meanwhile SH dislikes becky, feels she is draining money from parents which is rightfully SH & NM's (hence talk about wills, clothes, becky not respecting electrical items she was bought). NM and SH discuss abducting a school girl, buy stun guns x2 and handcuffs. NM is reaching a sexual frustration peak as missed opportunities (girl in the shop) and SH feeding hatred of becky into his ear (jealousy, as she is aware NM has some sexual attraction to Becky.) Something ignites NM into action (??? maybe to be released after the trial) and after he discoveres Anje is going to hospital leaving Becky alone, he takes this opportunity. SH willingly wanting to see Becky damaged (rape/violent abduction is probable). They enter the house, NM full of adrenaline goes straight upstairs with mask on - not thinking becky will instantly recognise him due to his short height. Becky starts screaming, shouting down to SH and fighting. With no tools to help subdue her (handcuffs and stuns downstairs) and B recognising him (he wasn't counting on this) further inflaming NM's frustration, he smothers her to "teach her a lesson" that he is in control of the situation and that she is not to stop his plans. Killing B is further than their initial plan,however hatred of becky and adrenaline, plus obsession with NM means SH readily accepts the situation and plan the disposal etc. They put body into the boot of the car and sit down to discuss their alibi and exit plan. They return home, research on their phones (how to get rid of a body) and attempt to cut her up with a knife (back of leg wound) and realise it's harder than first thought. Stabbing abdomen in frustration and annoyance that Becky has ruined their perfect fantasy. NM buys saw and dismembers. SH enjoying their shared secret (jokey text about being "long at work lol" when buying saw) NM Contacts friends who willingly help, thinking it's drugs or stolen items, (realising its not pretty quickly, but it's too late, they have already implicated themselves by fingerprints on the bags, so sit tight). Police become suspicious because NM and SH do not help and have bleached bathroom in messy house and last people to see her alive. then fingerprint in blood seals the deal. SH can act coldly as she feels justified that B has died, the threat is out of her hands, and this joint act binds NM and SH irrevocably together, also motive is to keep them together so she will do anything. Modern day Wests or Hindley/ Brady.


A lot of good points there.

The way I see it NM was sexually attracted to teeange school girls. Once SH could no longer fufill that role herself she could either lose him to one or join him in his fantasies and bring one/them into the relationship . Would be interesting to know how old the friend was when she joined them in a threesome. I think SH was doing things to keep him rather than to please or obey him.
 
It does rather look as though the barristers have been busy with advice ! presumably they read social media as well

Yeah I agree but it's too little, too late. Thank god. Not one person will have one shred of sympathy for either of them on social media or anywhere else.
 
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