Found Deceased UK - Samantha Eastwood, 28, Stoke-on-Trent, 27 July 2018 *Arrest*

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Yozzer said:
I'm not sure we know the full extent of her injuries yet, just that she wasn't stabbed or shot. It's possible the police are keeping their powder dry on the nature of the assault.
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I'm reminded of the Joanna Yeates case. For a long time people assumed there were no visible injuries because we weren't told of any, but at the trial it was revealed that there were multiple signs of assault. There was a similar delay in finding the body, but the conditions couldn't have been more different, as she was lying under snow. So it's easy to see that in this case it will be more difficult to determine any injuries beyond the obvious.
 
Armchair_Defective said:
I think this points at it being spur of the moment, nothing planned and then he had to quickly try and cover what he had done.

With the non obvious cause of death I'm starting to feel he may have tried to sexually assault her and she suffocated. This happens quite often when for instance a man abducts a child due to him being physically stronger and trying to subdue the child.
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Well said. This scenario is highly plausible and accounts more simply for the few known facts. (Occam's Razor and all!) It's possible he may have harboured an unhealthy interest in her for some time. The reporting that she asked a co-worker to treat any unexpected work absence as serious means she felt genuinely threatened by such interest.
 
Hi everyone, newbie here. I've been completely puzzled by this case as probably a lot of others are too. Another angle to look at in regards to the tape, could it maybe be that he thought he was being clever by covering any places that body fluids could leak out? I don't know I'm just thinking if he wanted to try and cover anywhere that could leave DNA traces, covering as much as possible would be his best shot.
 
Onemumsvoice said:
Hi everyone, newbie here. I've been completely puzzled by this case as probably a lot of others are too. Another angle to look at in regards to the tape, could it maybe be that he thought he was being clever by covering any places that body fluids could leak out? I don't know I'm just thinking if he wanted to try and cover anywhere that could leave DNA traces, covering as much as possible would be his best shot.
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My thought too regardimg the duvet cover.

Oh and welcome oneMV.
 
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Cherwell said:
I'm reminded of the Joanna Yeates case. For a long time people assumed there were no visible injuries because we weren't told of any, but at the trial it was revealed that there were multiple signs of assault. There was a similar delay in finding the body, but the conditions couldn't have been more different, as she was lying under snow. So it's easy to see that in this case it will be more difficult to determine any injuries beyond the obvious.
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I agree there may be other injuries..I suppose there could be whether premeditated or not
But in the Joanna Yeates case they knew from word go she had been strangled ..here they don't seem to
 
Catching up with this thread although I haven't posted on this crime – just been watching it in the news. Disturbing to hear of the grisly way her body was found. Another woman gone to a violent end at the hands of someone known to her. Depressingly too common.

Naturally, given he's only just been charged, lots of unanswerable questions, same as you all.

Had a look at the routes from Bgreen address and the slat-quarry site and looks like you could do the entire route on the Leek Road with no APNR, if you wanted to evade being reg captured. However would expect CCTV in some of those houses on that route. ( Very tight single -track too so would have expected some witnesses on a Friday afternoon. So did he do this trip in darkness as per that Friday night CCTV request from the farmer near the quarry, if he had no alibi for that period?)

The holiday is odd. Some have suggested camping as MS is fond of that but can't have going camping surely - would you go off late on a Friday night ( would be after 8pm) if you had to pitch a tent on arrival before night fall with a young daughter too? Wld work for other holiday types – sure.
 
An awful topic...but would a week be enough to destroy evidence of strangulation so much they need specialists to take months? ..yes weather was hot but in a shallow grave in a rural possibly shaded by trees ..my reaction would be no ?

Are the police trying to establish exactly how premeditated this was ..is it the defence wanting the tests to try and prove it was in the heat of the moment? Just thinking out loud
 
JosieJo said:
I agree there may be other injuries..I suppose there could be whether premeditated or not
But in the Joanna Yeates case they knew from word go she had been strangled ..here they don't seem to
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We have to take into account the very different weather conditions. Joanna's body would have been much better preserved in the cold weather.

They clearly suspect strangulation, usually this breaks the hyoid bone but I seem to remember there was some argument over this in the JY case? The defence conducted their own post-mortem and had their own pathologist to try and cast doubt. I can't remember the details, would have to look it up. And of course as others have suggested, there is the possibility of suffocation. Pressure on the vagus nerve can also cause rapid death, and I remember discussions about that on here during the JY case.
 
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Cherwell said:
I'm reminded of the Joanna Yeates case. For a long time people assumed there were no visible injuries because we weren't told of any, but at the trial it was revealed that there were multiple signs of assault. There was a similar delay in finding the body, but the conditions couldn't have been more different, as she was lying under snow. So it's easy to see that in this case it will be more difficult to determine any injuries beyond the obvious.
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can't remember which specific cases followed on WS but can remember there's been plenty of expert evidence where it takes a great deal of top level expertise to distinguish beyond reasonable doubt, between suffocation & unintentional asphixyation. ( can't spell it now!)
Considering MS's evasions over the week 27th-4thAug,and with the presence of masking tape ( albeit not specified on mouth area in the press reports) speculating he'll come up with something as a defence of manslaughter when he needs to...
 
JosieJo said:
An awful topic...but would a week be enough to destroy evidence of strangulation so much they need specialists to take months? ..yes weather was hot but in a shallow grave in a rural possibly shaded by trees ..my reaction would be no ?

Are the police trying to establish exactly how premeditated this was ..is it the defence wanting the tests to try and prove it was in the heat of the moment? Just thinking out loud
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what about the fact that this was a salt-quarry? A week in those conditions? (Whilst I'm not sure that salt would impact on a pathologist's report on COD in case of strangulation/suffocation it might have an impact on other forensics work and the prosecutor in court also noted that this was a complex case. Am assuming she meant on the forensics and the CoDeath.)

It may be ridiculous but can't help thinking that, as a patio installer as well as a fencing contractor, he might also have other materials to hand in the back of his works van??
 
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