Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #12

[kittythehare]

There's a flatbed truck outside house, unsure if connected to property as yet x

maybe large objects will be removed...

 

[LeopardLeotard]

Looks like the top of wood over bag has some burning damage, I'm having probs uploading photos x

 

[Lod76]

I helped a young woman who had been attacked once. She had been walking along on the phone to her mum and was totally oblivious to the guy coming up behind her, he punched her hard to the side of the head and she just went down. She was shocked and dazed and the guy saw me and ran off, I wanted to stop him but he could have had a knife or anything, so I called the police who sent a guy who couldn't be bothered getting out of his nice warm patrol car....but the point is it can be very quick to incapacitate someone.

It seems an awful long drive though, I think it would be a challenge to keep someone compliant for so long. Though I'm convinced you are probably correct in that it was a rush attack. Makes me wonder whether there is another location in play, other than where the remains were found.

 

[Mollie123]

She is thought to have been wearing green earphones and a white beanie hat, Scotland Yard added.

Everything we know about Sarah Everard missing case as police arrest officer

If SE was listening to music, she wouldn't have been as aware of her surroundings, the suspect could have snuck up behind her as she passed the vehicle (I like the theory it might not have been parked on the road) and bundled her into it, punched her when she was inside and she was unconscious while the suspect drove off. jmo

Yes, I was thinking along the same lines.
Suppose the accused drove past her, pulled up a little way ahead. Quickly opened both doors, flicked the hazards on and snuck away to position himself behind her. Followed her and just as she came past the car grabbed and bundled her in.

 

[PomPom123]

First poster here! A commenter on the latest from Sandwich on Kent 999 Facebook page says he has heard from a source that police are looking for body parts - also in relation to a girl who went missing from Ashford.

This one? Police urgently search for 12-year-old girl reported missing in Ashford - Kent Live

 

[LeopardLeotard]

to add the box thing behind is not the trailer I was referring to, the trailer that was originally there was a metal one x

 

[NoneSpringsToMind]

My moneys on not too clever at the moment. You would think a policeman would realise CCTV and dashcams could capture you up to no good on a street. Then as you say, the body was not far from where he lived and nor far off his commuting route.

I'm thinking the latest search near recycling bins could be a search for a weapon or possessions and he was thinking dumping them in the bins full of other stuff was a good hiding place. Yet all that is totally pointless if your car was already being tracked and photographed at the scene of a disappearance.

JMO/speculation

based on his emails to his employer on 5th/6th March I suspect he originally took SE to his family garage on the 3rd of March as per his original plan but when her case started getting lots of MSM attention he panicked, realised the family garage pointed straight to him and he needed to get rid of her so did whatever he needed to do to destroy his own DNA and make her unidentifiable and then brought her to ashford site on the 5th, contacted his employer about stress. And then dumped whatever he has dumped in sandwich/cleaned up the family garage and then sent the email about not wanting to handle a weapon. Something tells me that last email was sent after he had done everything he felt he needed he had to do to cover his tracks and that email was the final part of the task. To me it seems like an “I’m done with all this” act.

 

[Mollie123]

Kent_999 has been deemed not MSM

 

[CuriousObserver1]

One thing i take from this case, is that a key piece of circumstantial evidence against the accused will be the body turning up in his locale, over an hour from Clapham. Smarter psychopaths don't do this. They rely on the lack of connection between themselves and the victim, and dump the body One wonders if he is simply stupid/delusional or just wanted to get caught

I mentioned before when you look at the demeanour of most serial killers/psychopaths when they are photographed after being caught they look very confident/arrogant, his court sketches did not look like that at all. There is so much we don't know, but if it is him - then IMO he will be someone who is actually very insecure and attracted to being in the police for the power it gave him. Now he has been caught, he is not wanting to face the justice hence the anger and headbanging, whereas the notorious ones seems to want to live and don't harm themselves, and want to be in the limelight for their crimes. I am thinking there will be many IE, but this was the first time it escalated and was more opportunistic than a carefully thought out plan.

 

[obsessed21]

just looking at the search pics in sandwich is that the car?

 

[LoyalRoyal222]

She is thought to have been wearing green earphones and a white beanie hat, Scotland Yard added.

Everything we know about Sarah Everard missing case as police arrest officer

If SE was listening to music, she wouldn't have been as aware of her surroundings, the suspect could have snuck up behind her as she passed the vehicle (I like the theory it might not have been parked on the road) and bundled her into it, punched her when she was inside and she was unconscious while the suspect drove off. jmo

I’ve seen a fair few people suggest that SE may have been knocked unconscious or choked unconscious. I just want to throw my thoughts in, as someone who has been around/trained/competed in various forms of martial arts.

The odds of SE being punched and knocked out, then dragged into the car, or even dragged into the car then punched and knocked out are very, very slim.

To knock someone out with a punch is incredibly hard, it has to be landed at the right spot, with the right force or you’ll likely do nothing other than annoy them.
Also, you need to take into account that even if the accused HAD punched SE and DID manage to knock her out, in majority of cases you are going to be unconscious for a few seconds, that’s it.

Only in movies/TV do you see someone punched/hit who goes unconscious for minutes/hours. If that was to happen in real life, the unconscious person more than likely has a serious brain injury.

When it comes to choking someone unconscious, unless you have actually choked them to death, again, they will regain consciousness in a few seconds from releasing the choke.

In my opinion, the accused did not do either of these to incapacitate SE.

Especially as this was a relatively busy road and to either punch or choke someone unconscious is going to cause a big scene. Knocking SE out would see her fall to the floor in quite a violent fashion, chocking her unconscious would see the accused standing behind her holding her around the neck for a prolonged period of time.

Neither viable in my opinion.

Just my personal thoughts.

 

[Cloudybea]

I can’t add quotes for some reason but someone has mentioned they would have complied.

I wouldn’t have. Especially not to a man who is on his own in an unmarked car. My instant thought would be he has stolen the badge or something.

I just would not willingly get inside the car.

I’ve seen friends of hers mention how kind she was. I’m wondering if he duped her into thinking he needed help with something. But even then, why would get get into the car?!

I suppose everyone is different and some of us would comply, others wouldn’t.

It's hard to speculate really. Sat here now I don't think I would, but I have been in situations before where my actions in terms of compliance have surprised me when I have reflected on them afterwards. Behavioural science etc can predict how someone is likely to react, but even that isn't an exact science.

I do think the post about the positioning of the car makes a lot more sense as well, sorry it won't let me tag.

Edited to add; I mean compliance in general, and not in regard to speculation that the accused could have used tactics relating to his job.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

First poster here! A commenter....

Hello, as a first timer please be aware it was ruled the outlet you mentioned is not MSM and so cannot be referred to, and Facebook is out of bounds always. Please delete as will get thread closed.

WS TOS on page 1 of this thread.

 

[Happymoon]

I said it very early on, but will repeat. I have the same headphones as the original posters said the victim was wearing.

They are in-ear ones and do a very good job of blocking out all background noise, I find even with just the one in. I’ve been taken by surprise by people/cars on more than one occasion.

Just my opinion, but I feel this is worth sharing.

 

[canbereached]

This one? Police urgently search for 12-year-old girl reported missing in Ashford - Kent Live

Went Missing 12 mins drive from where SE was found, that's alarming IMO.

 

[NoneSpringsToMind]

just looking at the search pics in sandwich is that the car?

I don’t think so as it has black wing mirrors which previous members said isn’t an option on this model of Astra.

 

[Sherlockhames]

In normal circumstances they probably wouldn't say anything but the suggestion is being made that a serving police officer used his warrant card to lure a woman into his car who he then kidnapped and murdered.
One of the first facts the MET released was that WC was not on duty at the time, this was released to reduce criticism.
The pressure they are under means that their PR team will be in overdrive and I am fairly certain that if the Police warrant card was not used, they would have told the public to restore a tiny bit of confidence or put minds at ease.
JMO.

I think this is all pure speculation. It’s grainy cctv footage - they may have suspicions, they may not. For some investigators that could be the working theory, for others it’s not. I just don’t see how it is provable either way. But in these circumstances it really doesn’t matter (but as a young women walking alone in London my natural instinct is to be wary of literally everyone. My spidey-senses would be naturally cautious of any lone male unless he was a policeman, in uniform, in a marked car. Also, I have literally know idea what a warrant card is supposed to look like. So someone not in uniform or a marked car approaching me would make me v nervous because how the hell do I know that isn’t just a fake piece of paper. I’m not saying he didn’t produce warrant card, i’m also not saying I would 100% not be taken in if the circumstances were the same. I’m just saying it really probably doesn’t make a difference either way.)

 

[smucklecrumble]

I would like to think I wouldn't comply but cant say for sure unless faced with that kind of situation.

I have always told my daughter to shout, scream, kick, grab on to something, drop to the floor, bite whatever it takes which I hope she would but again nobody knows how they would react.

Especially if it happened in a split second with no warning that something was a little out of the ordinary.

I always like to think the same but when I was flashed I froze because I couldn’t quite believe what was happening. I can’t fault anyone freezing at that moment either.

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

just looking at the search pics in sandwich is that the car?

That is public car park with many cars still parked. I believe that car is a VW Polo.

 

[Sandyuk]

Keep your internet eyes out for ....

"A source said a flatbed truck ........... It is thought possibly maybe that ........."