Found Deceased UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #12

[Sandyuk]

has it ever been confirmed that it was 2 doors, one on either side?

Could just as easily have been the passenger and driver door on the same side, for example. Bundle into the back, child lock on, get in front, drive away


JMO, MOO.

Ooooo never thought of that ! I think most would assume front driver and passenger doors but you could be right. MOO

 

[mrjitty]

The accuracy of the find my iPhone app is a bit touch and go. When I used to to find mine in the past it had it on a street I hadn’t even walked down(2 roads away from where I eventually located it). I only found it by retracing my steps to a pret I’d gone in. They had turned it off to save the battery. JMO

Also - if the iPhone OS sent this information to the cloud server - that would be another data connection to the tower.

I am guessing there were no more data connections after the termination of the final call.

Not sure about current tech, but at least until lately, my phone doesn't receive data when I am on a call - so i was wondering if there would have been a data connection immediately after the call ended, and then nothing afterwards

 

[Nikynoo]

I was wondering about this

I presume the documentation filed contained far more detail?

it's 25 years since i studied criminal procedure but IIRC the initial information etc filed with the court need to establish a prima facie case sufficient to hold the accused - including particulars of the case against him?

As there is no contested bail application, we don't get to hear any argument over the evidence itself.

But the Crown would need to show specific evidence that implicates the accused in the murder, prima facie

One suspects it's not just the car that ties him in

I'm not sure - this is not my area of practice. The Magistrate is just to ensure the proper process is follow. I know there was a charge sheet read out and the Magistrate would know from the charges put before him that he (the Magistrate) did not have jurisdiction to hear the case.

I am even not sure whether the Magistrate has overstepped here in that he asked for a summary to be read out “given the nature of the case and the interest”.

Hopefuly someone with knowledge of what is usual in court will give more information.

 

[Purplepixii]

Strange that they've bought in D&C marine, there are plenty of other units around the coast there.

The only thing I could think of is D&C have a lot of mines/potholing/caverns so maybe they had to wait for *very* specialist resources?

Edit: I dont think this part of Kent does, does it?

Tbh police forces are so understaffed these days borrowing resources from another force isn't a rare thing. But now you've said that, and with the knowledge that there are tunnels etc locally, you've really got my mind churning!

 

[JosieJo]

Can somebody please correct me if I am wrong but hasn’t it been stated the car was parked on Poynders Road?

Also these are Bus Cameras and Car Dash Cam so surely they are pointed at the road in front of them. These cameras do not look at cars parked off the side of the road as that would be pointless? They would be placed at the front of the car and look directly onto the road.

In the recent libby squire case bus cam caught her sitting on a bench towards the far end of the pavement so I think a certain distance is seen

 

[brownbread]

Interesting thought that the bus cams might have been pointing in different directions. I’d assumed that anything outside the bus would be a dashcam and so have similar line of sight to the driver.

But if eg doorway cams could have picked up activity outside at a 90 angle that raises the possibility of cams seeing things that wasn’t obvious to anyone driving along the road.

I’ve kept thinking it seemed unlikely to me that Sarah could have been forcibly snatched on a busy main road without it being noticed at the time (ie if it were seen on dashcam, why did no driver spot it?). But a buscam pointing in a different direction raises different possibilities.

The main thing that sways me to thinking that there may be signs of Sarah being forcibly taken is the degree of certainty the LE seemed to have in the initial arrest - it was immediately an arrest for kidnapping - compare this to the Libby Squires case where the initial arrest (which I think was off the back of cctv footage of Libby getting in a car) was described as ‘helping police with enquiries’. What made the police in Sarah’s case so much more certain this was kidnap?

 

[MancGuy Uk]

It was chilly and damp that evening, with scattered heavier showers. I remember it because I have a virtual running club meeting that night (the night we ran together before covid restrictions, when now we run separately at about the usual time and share runs on Strava) because I decided I didn't fancy going out in the wet and ran indoors instead

Yeah there was a lot cold weather at the beginning of march especially at night would you wear a mask if you was talking to someone on a phone?

 

[infinit]

So the hunt is still on for discarded objects that could be his or her possessions, or very sad to say, her body is at different locations.

It starts raising red flags for me. If he'd been methodical and planned you'd perhaps find a burn pile or buried items within the vicinity of the body location. You wouldn't want to be making more trips elsewhere and getting in the scope for being caught in multiple locations where things are found - It's a lower probability than just being in one location by chance. The garage made sense but this doesn't. It's all starting to look like a rush/amateur job or someone with something going on in their head.

 

[Commoner]

I don't think there's been any confirmation about anything, but IMO it's more likely they're looking for SE's personal items.

I think the official statement was from Sandwich council explaining police actions, which they described as "in relation to ongoing investigations associated to the murder of Sarah Everard"

 

[mrjitty]

I'm not sure - this is not my area of practice. The Magistrate is just to ensure the proper process is follow. I know there was a charge sheet read out and the Magistrate would know from the charges put before him that he (the Magistrate) did not have jurisdiction to hear the case.

I am even not sure whether the Magistrate has overstepped here in that he asked for a summary to be read out “given the nature of the case and the interest”.

Hopefully someone with knowledge of what is usual in court will give more information.

IIRC, in order to detain him in custody, an arguable case has to be disclosed on the information and supporting affidavits. These are not the whole case against him (at this point). The defence can contest this - or seek bail which would then lead to an early discussion of the strength of the evidence against him (at this stage)

But I don't think counsel would read out everything that is there.

As is the case here, the defence is not contesting so it seems more like a formality.

 

[londoncat]

SBM

I legit said this to a friend this morning who was complaining about new WhatsApp terms and spying. In terms of cctv I think there will always be a fine line. On the whole I’m ok with it but do understand the concerns a la 1984. MOO

Encryption on messaging apps allows for a lot of transfer of child abuse imagery. It’s really sad to me that this is possible. I do understand those who have concerns about privacy but I weigh these against the criminals who are using these networks / methods to communicate and my own concerns pale in comparison.

 

[Stella123]

Tbh police forces are so understaffed these days borrowing resources from another force isn't a rare thing. But now you've said that, and with the knowledge that there are tunnels etc locally, you've really got my mind churning!

Just caught up . Does anyone local know if Sandwich has old tunnel works like Dover?

 

[episkey]

Just caught up . Does anyone local know if Sandwich has old tunnel works like Dover?

not to my knowledge, no.

 

[CuriousObserver1]

Hiring a car doesn’t help him at all in the slightest as there would be a record of who hired the car with all his details. He may of well used his own car for that if he was trying to disguise himself. He would also know this being a copper.

I did think that, but then suspect would not have been planning to be caught flashing on CCTV again and the urge to do it might have been too great, suspect could have been parked in the area or been flashing elsewhere in London. Then only when heading home saw an opportunity and was planning to flash her assuming she may not have the time or be too shocked to take down a number plate. Just MOO, another idea. It still seems utterly unbelievable that suspect could do this on a busy bus/red route

 

[episkey]

So intriguing. They definitely have some evidence in mind, located in Sandwich, and being a nosy so-and-so I am like a cat on a hot tin roof wondering what it is. Thanks so much for the local updates LL & Episkey

You're welcome!

 

[Stella123]

“
Police officers are continuing to search along Delf stream and The Rope Walk with metre-long wooden sticks.

Officers are also searching a trolley shelter at a Co-op supermarket.“

Sarah Everard killing: Police search Sandwich town centre

 

[Urbanfox1]

SBM

I legit said this to a friend this morning who was complaining about new WhatsApp terms and spying. In terms of cctv I think there will always be a fine line. On the whole I’m ok with it but do understand the concerns a la 1984. MOO

I’m a liberal lefty and I say, bring it on.

 

[Sarahaddison14]

Police search supermarket car park in Sarah Everard investigation

Gold jewellery placed in evidence bag after discussion with police officers. X

 

[LovesPeace2]

Bag was also there 22nd Nov 2020 xView attachment 288851

Thank you LL for sharing the pics ,those bags are bigger then I thought.. I hope your neighborhood gets back to normal soon.

 

[Stella123]

I posted a thought last night about the car doors being open. It doesn’t say that any figures were visible on that cam shot- just that the car doors were open. An idea was this can be done to block a view (ie seeing beyond the car doors).