UK UK - Sarah Everard, 33, London - Clapham Common area, 3 March 2021 *Arrests* #6

[factorfiction77]

Could the ‘indecent exposure’ incident have taken place at this location & the search was for DNA evidence ( ? semen)

He could have stopped Sarah & offered a lift telling her there had been a sexually motivated crime in the area that evening.

Yes could well have been....

 

[peterf]

I think the theory that he used his position to tell her something had happened in the area and he could drop her home is plausible. And the fact he was in an unmarked car, he could have said that he’s in one as he’s our patrolling trying to find the perp.

I do hope he talks and we find out and her family get some answers

i think it is this or breaching lockdown restrictions. I think it is more likely the latter as that gives him an excuse to handcuff her which could explain why she would have been able to be subdued in the back of the car.

 

[mrjitty]

I hope not for their children’s sake.

Keep in mind that as she is not an EU citizen, she has likely gone through the typical immigration process that most non-EU people (including kiwis like me) went through.

Probably she originally entered on some kind of short term permit, and then was able to get a longer term permit - e.g. a work permit sponsored by an employer. In my day, once you had been in the UK for 4 years (e.g under a work permit) you got indefinite leave to remain (residency), and can apply for citizenship. The total track tended to be 5 years and many of my friends completed it.

tldr; she most likely has UK Citizenship / UK passport.

Obviously this is disastrous for the kids, but I doubt she will be deported, as she is bound to have got citizenship by now.

 

[juniper6]

Hi everyone. First time posting because I want to suggest/clarify something that keeps coming up. In regards to the “hire car” - It can also be what Americans know as “leasing” a car. He could have a personal contract hire agreement and it wasn’t a rental car. This is significant because in that case - he isn’t the registered keeper of the car- the finance company is. Just something to keep in mind about terminology. I’m American living in London so if I can be of any help with confusing terminology - please let me know.

 

[4NSIC]

This is a great post and I agree with all of it but if the police had him as a suspect early on then I doubt they would wait to watch and observe unless they had some very clear evidence she was already dead.

Being he was living with a co-accused, albeit of a lesser crime, and his access to other uninhabited and remote properties locally, such as the old garage, there would be too much risk that she could be held alive at that point that would prevent them just observing him under surveillance.

I think they only identified him later in the investigation or already had evidence she was not alive. Otherwise with a possible window of her being alive and captive they would have had to move immediately.

I think you are correct. By the time he was identified and surveillance set up they may have observed disposal related activities. But we are talking a week really between the crime and now...it’s a short time in real life but a long time in terms of criminal activity. Most very young women, for eg, who are victims of sexual murder crimes in USA are dead within 3hrs of abduction. The MO between similarly profiled individuals doesn’t tend to vary wildly. Abduction for long term abuse is a distinctly different act. Generally speaking the greater the penalty for the sexual crime, the quicker the murder occurs afterwards.

 

[Audiohoney]

Apologies for the source (The Sun) but it is MSM. Confirming that SE and WC were not know to one another and had never met before.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14304154/sarah-everard-no-link-met-cop-arrest/

 

[elliefant]

I understand why you ask this. WC has not been convicted of this crime so I can only describe him as the “suspect” when making this comment:

the *suspect* is *reported* to have met his wife online whilst she was in the Ukraine and he was in the UK. We do not know what the motivating factors were in this instance for a Ukrainian woman to marry a British man she potentially had never met. We do not know what motivating factors may have made WC engage in a marriage on that basis.

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Hi. Do you have a link for the bit I’ve quoted from you please? I think I’ve missed it. Thanks

 

[irene009]

As a serving police man would he have access to computers to look up cases? Could he see what was used what people got away with? How different motives were put into practice etc just a theory!

 

[Audiohoney]

Hi everyone. First time posting because I want to suggest/clarify something that keeps coming up. In regards to the “hire car” - It can also be what Americans know as “leasing” a car. He could have a personal contract hire agreement and it wasn’t a rental car. This is significant because in that case - he isn’t the registered keeper of the car- the finance company is. Just something to keep in mind about terminology. I’m American living in London so if I can be of any help with confusing terminology - please let me know.

I might be wrong here, but aren’t lease vehicles usually on a 3 year buy or return deal? Both cars taken away from the property were significantly older with circa 100k miles on the clock each. Would a lease car not be newer?

 

[Accforspamstuff]

I'm new to this forum and joined because I have been rattled by this case ever since the news broke.
Like make people, it has hit home (both literally and metaphorically for me).
What a tragic loss of life of an innocent young women who had everything to look forward to. I feel desperately sad for her family and loved ones, who must be going through hell right now.
I just can't get over how perverse, twisted and sick WC must be to do this. I just can't understand the motivation, particularly as father.
I'm particularly disturbed that she might have suffered or felt terrified for a long time, as it's a long drive from London to Kent. I dread to think the ordeal she has gone through. I hope it happened instantly and quickly. RIP



This is really informative, thank you. The one thing that has bothering me, and I think a lot of people, is that is it common for killers/psychopaths to have children? When I think of past cases and notorious killers, I don't remember any of them having a family. Somehow, it makes it more disturbing the fact he has a young daughter.

Certainly happens. BTK, Golden State Killer, Fred West are a few examples.

 

[MsMiniSleuth]

The case has been referred to watchdog the Independent Office for Police Conduct because it involves a police officer.

A spokesman said it had been decided that the Metropolitan Police would investigate any potential conduct issues linked to the kidnap and murder allegations itself.

The IOPC is currently assessing whether any further action should be taken in relation to the actions of police after Ms Everard was reported missing.

Officer questioned as human remains found in search for Sarah Everard | ITV News

 

[4NSIC]

As a serving police man would he have access to computers to look up cases? Could he see what was used what people got away with? How different motives were put into practice etc just a theory!

He may have some degree of access to the PNC, yes, but as with all police staff his searches and use of it would be monitored. There are severe penalties for misusing it. He would have no justifiable reason for eg to be able to run number plate searches or address searches as he is in a protection group.

 

[peterf]

Do we know if his kids are with EC?

i would have thought EC still hasnt been released as her fb is still not removed which I assume she would have done MOO

 

[NottReds50]

Apologies for the source (The Sun) but it is MSM. Confirming that SE and WC were not know to one another and had never met before.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/14304154/sarah-everard-no-link-met-cop-arrest/

I still can't shake how he might have "known" her or knew what he was going to intercept, it was dark, probably had a hat, hood up, maybe mask?

Did he stalk her? Was he driving around a lot?

Even if he stopped her with "COVID breach" it could have have been a few minutes to even get in the car "willingly"

 

[Newthoughts]

Many thanks for the update on activity. And yes, thanks to the points you put forward I’m inclined to agree. That would be a significant rental fee - a shared flat is of course a possibility - though I think we’d see much more police activity there if that were the case.

Just strange to me to pick such a relatively busy road to carry out a kidnap / abduction / attack. So many risks. Although perhaps that was part of the thrill.

Perhaps the busy road was where he saw his opportunity? Lone female, spot without cameras? Ideal

 

[jk1874]

I understand and respect your view. I think we agree but I am describing *his* mindset, not ours. He may not have perceived his attempt to sexually interact with her as a crime.

Also, if two people have consensual sex and strangulation is involved, maybe from both parties and it goes to far with no intention, then it's an accident. I was not saying this happened for this case, it's not even crossed my mind, but I was giving an example where strangulation could be an "accident". It's a more common act than people would believe in couples.

 

[NottReds50]

SPECULATION/MOO: According to a comment on Facebook WCs brother has been removed from duty and they’re also looking into historical cases in connection with the old garage.

I said this a few posts back, it doesn't add up at the moment, he's a PaDP, so highly vetted, maybe acted with slight impunity?

 

[stormyseas]

First time poster here. I’m a clinical psychologist specialised in personality disorders and have a background in LE.

I think Sherlockhames has it broadly correct, according to what I’d expect to come out later.

A few points re other general discussions.

- “hands on” sex offenders tend to have a personality disorder, even if it is somewhat subtle
- psychopaths & those with other cluster B disorders are reasonably common in society
- they tend to have a lower than average IQ, possibly around the 90 mark
- premeditation and their -perception- of risk often shows hallmarks of low cunning rather than the glamourised, filmic, highly sophisticated psychopathic thinking style many imagine
- unsolved cases are predominantly due to loss of evidence over time rather than the skill of the perpetrators in covering the crime
- hire cars are not unusual in cases like this, the low cunning thinking style perceiving them less likely to be traced
- ANPR cams all over the UK lead LE to WC and he was subsequently subject to surveillance by plain clothes teams for days
- cordon at Poynders Court probably to some degree timed to give media smokescreen whilst arrest planned at WC’s home
- PaDP officers are almost always -not- trained in forensics, investigative policing techniques or related specialist functions
- PaDP are trained in tactics related to security and weapon handling, usually involving 5 week training sessions at a specialised residential facility in Kent
- This training is repeated every X months / years as are psychological screenings for ones suitability to be a firearms officer
- these screenings are not repeated often enough IMO as much can change between times and they are widely self report questionnaires which are known to be unrealiable
- one may expect that a sex offender would escalate from “hands off” ie flashing to “hands on” over time if he is subject to worsening mental health, fractures in personal relationships, death or illness in the family, a narcissistic injury such as humiliation at work or with his wife etc
- yes, it is possible that a first killing occurs at 48
- yes, it is statistically likely that Sarah got into his car voluntarily
- yes, it may have been an accidental killing as a result of a failed attempt at consensual sexual activity
- or a panic killing to reduce the chances of prosecution

EDIT to add: its highly unlikely that his Met issue taser or other weapon could be used in this attack as they are strictly booked in and out before & after shifts. However police CAN carry: baton, warrant ID, uniform, nylon cuffs, and other small items away from work easily / with permission.

There’s so much more to say but I have to go to work!

Thank you for your informative post.

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[LeopardLeotard]

This is interesting, I had noticed a black range rover parked up across the rod from house but further down road a couple of nights before leading up to arrest, it only stuck in my mind because when the children were taken out of there on Tuesday night they were put into a black range rover, maybe he was under surveillance then?

 

[tmar]

First time poster here. I’m a clinical psychologist specialised in personality disorders and have a background in LE.

I think Sherlockhames has it broadly correct, according to what I’d expect to come out later.

A few points re other general discussions.

- “hands on” sex offenders tend to have a personality disorder, even if it is somewhat subtle
- psychopaths & those with other cluster B disorders are reasonably common in society
- they tend to have a lower than average IQ, possibly around the 90 mark
- premeditation and their -perception- of risk often shows hallmarks of low cunning rather than the glamourised, filmic, highly sophisticated psychopathic thinking style many imagine
- unsolved cases are predominantly due to loss of evidence over time rather than the skill of the perpetrators in covering the crime
- hire cars are not unusual in cases like this, the low cunning thinking style perceiving them less likely to be traced
- ANPR cams all over the UK lead LE to WC and he was subsequently subject to surveillance by plain clothes teams for days
- cordon at Poynders Court probably to some degree timed to give media smokescreen whilst arrest planned at WC’s home
- PaDP officers are almost always -not- trained in forensics, investigative policing techniques or related specialist functions
- PaDP are trained in tactics related to security and weapon handling, usually involving 5 week training sessions at a specialised residential facility in Kent
- This training is repeated every X months / years as are psychological screenings for ones suitability to be a firearms officer
- these screenings are not repeated often enough IMO as much can change between times and they are widely self report questionnaires which are known to be unrealiable
- one may expect that a sex offender would escalate from “hands off” ie flashing to “hands on” over time if he is subject to worsening mental health, fractures in personal relationships, death or illness in the family, a narcissistic injury such as humiliation at work or with his wife etc
- yes, it is possible that a first killing occurs at 48
- yes, it is statistically likely that Sarah got into his car voluntarily
- yes, it may have been an accidental killing as a result of a failed attempt at consensual sexual activity
- or a panic killing to reduce the chances of prosecution

EDIT to add: its highly unlikely that his Met issue taser or other weapon could be used in this attack as they are strictly booked in and out before & after shifts. However police CAN carry: baton, warrant ID, uniform, nylon cuffs, and other small items away from work easily / with permission.

There’s so much more to say but I have to go to work!

Thanks @4NSIC, your first post was so helpful.
Hope you pop in here again, after work, and provide more valuable info.