GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #1

[Skigh]

:greetings: skigh

Nothing of this sits right at all. I hate to say it but I think this is another Shannon Matthews type case. All the drama with the candles and t shirts, very McCann..I think the family - especially the mother and gran know where she is and that's why they are not on TV. I do not think Tia is dead. There is something seriously not right with this family.

Hi Lottie,

My feelings are the same-There is something not right about events and the information the police are giving the public-no appeals or further cctv footage which must have been captured and easily retrieved for her journey on Thursday.

It also seemed strange that both he and Granny went out searching for Tia at the fairground when she did not return on Friday and then both drove to the mother's house in Mitchem.If they were expecting that she could return at any moment I would have thought one of them would have stayed at home.

 

[laserdisc10]

:greetings: skigh

Nothing of this sits right at all. I hate to say it but I think this is another Shannon Matthews type case. All the drama with the candles and t shirts, very McCann..I think the family - especially the mother and gran know where she is and that's why they are not on TV. I do not think Tia is dead. There is something seriously not right with this family.

A spokesperson or translator or maybe cast-list and stage-manager are needed (half serious here) because the media's making a worse hash of this than usual. Today, I saw the mother's partner referred to twice in one of the online media as ' Mr. Niles'. Then, to compound the confusion, his elderly mother was referred to as ' Mrs. Niles'. His name is actually Niles Taylor, isn't it?

Then we have a large cast of characters. Am tempted to list them but won't, but the step-grandfather has a father of his own (step-great-grandfather ?) who's been quoted by the media as has the step-grandfather's sister, not to mention an assortment of 'uncles'. The 'step-great-grandfather's statements about Tia's alleged last known moments contradict those of his own son (the 'step-grandfather'). Then we have the girl's 'step-father' attesting to the innocence of the 'step-grandfather' (and directly contradicting the 'step-great-grandfather' by insisting the step-grandfather was 'hoovering' - though how the step-father would know that to be the case is a mystery to me, considering he wasn't there according to the media)

The mother claims to have 'an independent witness' (whatever that's supposed to mean) who saw Tia walking down the street on Friday, but other than that, the mother has said little more that I'm aware of

The photo chosen for the T-shirts and posters seems to me to have been poorly chosen, considering it represents a seemingly far younger/less mature Tia than she appears in other photos. Wouldn't you choose a photo as near as possible to the way a missing child appears now, if you were hoping to jog the memories of people who may have seen her in the last few days?

The grandmother revealed she hadn't been at her house when the child arrived and departed the following day. To my knowledge (limited, obviously) this information wasn't revealed until several days after the event

What a mess. Up to a dozen supposed adults, all of them claiming to have adored the child who between them can't provide a cohesive account of the girl's movements

 

[ScotsPaddy]

Apparently the police removed bedding from one of the bedrooms last night (Sky News).

Why wait a week? Seems odd to me - in a week bedding could be changed, boil washed etc. Why bedding from THIS house? If she stays there regularly, they would expect to find HER DNA on it. If there is a suggestion someone else in the house's DNA might be on it, surely they would have changed/washed the bed linen.

Or is it a way of putting pressure on someone- it was pretty publicly done and didn't need to be? Or is it part of a joint police/family screen to look like police think this is the base for their investigation when actually they are investigating elsewhere very low profile?

It may be evidence of other fluids theyre looking for or to see who elses DNA is in the room.
I know you would expect all members of the households dna to be in every room but it may be a case of whereabouts the dna was found.

Just purely speculation on my part peeps.

 

[Lottie]

Mother is Natalie and her partner is David Niles. His mother has also been quoted by the media (Mrs Niles)

About the only person who hasn't been dragged out to make a comment is Jeremy Kyle, the whole case has the Kyle show written all over it!

 

[Cherwell]

Did she plan to stay overnight or to return home?I might be wrong,but I thought her step father thought she was returning at 6pm.

I think that when he said that, he was referring to her leaving the grandmother's house on the Friday - basically repeating what SH had said.

It's clear that much of the apparent confusion and contradiction is the result of the media doorstepping people connected to the family. Most of what is then reported is hearsay, and not necessarily an accurate reflection of what they were actually told. It may also be taken out of context.

We must very careful about accepting everything that is reported in the media - it is far from infallible. The demands of 24 hour news coverage means things don't get checked and edited in the way one would wish.

 

[laserdisc10]

Mother is Natalie and her partner is David Niles. His mother has also been quoted by the media (Mrs Niles)

About the only person who hasn't been dragged out to make a comment is Jeremy Kyle, the whole case has the Kyle show written all over it!

Thank you Lottie. Wonder who the 'Taylor' is then? I'll have to scour around to try and find it now (it's turning me into an OCD masochist)

 

[Lottie]

SH's father is Keith and he spoke to SH on the phone and was quoted as saying SH had walked Tia to the tram stop. SH said in his ITV interview that he'd got it wrong. Maybe he got confused with SH meeting her from the tram stop perhaps on Thurs?

We haven't seen Keith (Hazell?) on TV and given he's going to be probably in his 60s, possibly a lot worse for wear than SH, he might easily have "got it wrong" as SH said.

 

[Lottie]

Thank you Lottie. Wonder who the 'Taylor' is then? I'll have to scour around to try and find it now (it's turning me into an OCD masochist)

I don't remember a Taylor lol! Unless its another surname of Natalie?

 

[Lottie]

One one mentioned the grandmother's comments on Facebook. Does anyone have a link?
I hate Facebook and I can never find people on it! Also the Tia page?

 

[Clio]

Sky News just reporting that sniffer dogs are back at the grandmothers home and that police are doing vehicle checks

 

[Crazy Mama]

https://www.facebook.com/bicknell.chris

 

[soozieqtips]

Regarding the phone being left on charge, I think Hazell implied Tia misunderstood what he meant about leaving it on charge, and that she assumed he meant her to leave it behind. Didn't he say she walked past him from the frontroom and out into the hall when she left? Didn't he see that she'd left the phone behind?

If that's the case, it's even more confusing. If he 'loved her to bits', surely he would have insisted she took her phone in case of an emergency? A young girl out on her own with no means of contact is an even greater risk that one without a phone. It means she had absolutely no way of calling anyone to say if she was in trouble, or if she was being followed or something.

And we don't know if the story about him giving her £10 is actually true. All we know is true is that no one apart from Hazell has seen her since Thursday afternoon. I have to dismiss the neighbour's account at the moment because she might have been confused... although Hazell said she even remembered the pattern on the top that Tia was wearing on the Friday. Hmmm. Oh, and he said he did know her well, so that answers another question I had.

He also said his dad liked a drink and had got the story confused about walking her to the tram stop with picking her up from the tram stop. It's highly possible he mixed up the story if he was tipsy.

I assume the police are going to check the entire estate in their search? If they're convinced Tia hasn't left the area, then I'd imagine they have to check every single house on the estate.

 

[Lottie]

Christine bicknell escorted to a car with detective. Appears to be being taken to police station. This is Sky news now. No statement to media as she went past.

 

[soozieqtips]

And no one knows where Tia's mum has gone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9466611/Tia-Sharp-Now-mum-Natalie-has-disappeared.html

 

[Skigh]

Would the sniffer dogs be different to those used the other day-i.e sniffing out a different scent some detect drugs others blood.Are Eddie and Keela still used?

 

[Lottie]

Regarding the phone being left on charge, I think Hazell implied Tia misunderstood what he meant about leaving it on charge, and that she assumed he meant her to leave it behind. Didn't he say she walked past him from the frontroom and out into the hall when she left? Didn't he see that she'd left the phone behind?

If that's the case, it's even more confusing. If he 'loved her to bits', surely he would have insisted she took her phone in case of an emergency? A young girl out on her own with no means of contact is an even greater risk that one without a phone. It means she had absolutely no way of calling anyone to say if she was in trouble, or if she was being followed or something.

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SH did say Tia was forever using the phone while it was charging and I think he meant she wasn't giving it hence to charge properly which is why he kept having to say "when I say let it charge I mean let it charge" sort of thing!

My son's just gone off on the bus...what are you wearing, I yell as he's about to go, and I ask him to come where I can see him. I told him to make sure he has his phone. Granted he's a bit older than Tia, but this whole thing tends to make us over-protective. His parting shot is "you don't have to worry about me mum!". Ah....but I do I'm your mom!

 

[Lottie]

And no one knows where Tia's mum has gone.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9466611/Tia-Sharp-Now-mum-Natalie-has-disappeared.html

OMG.... So she's missing and SH is off "doing his own thing".

Inside job!!!

 

[Louvie]

Hello, first-time poster chiming in here.

Thanks for posting the link to the interview, although I am not sure what to make of him.

Something that stood out for me that I don't believe has been mentioned yet was a couple of criticisms of her - she never takes her plate out and he keeps telling her to leave her phone on charge. The phone charging seems to be an issue - I can almost hear him saying it to her, "When I say leave your phone on charge it means LEAVE YOUR PHONE ON CHARGE" (this is what he said during the interview).

Now, I have a just turned 11 years old daughter who is starting to get a bit stroppy and lippy. I can't help but wonder if Tia perhaps took the hump with him speaking to her that way and lipped back. Do you think an argument may have ensued that went too far? Purely speculative, but if this guy really is as emasculated and living on his nerves as he appears, it would be fairly easy to pick a fight with someone he does have 'power' over, ie, him being her elder. Things can quite quickly get out of hand. He later describes her as a golden girl (do I have that right?) and an angel, which is not what he was saying earlier on.

This is purely speculative on my part and if I have gone too far then I quite understand if a mod feels the need to delete.

BBM.

I actually thought the "I said leave it on charge" part was the most interesting part of the interview with SH, but I interpreted it differently - I thought he was saying that he told her "LEAVE YOUR PHONE ON CHARGE" that day, but what he had meant was "stop messing with it while it's charging because you're slowing it down", only Tia interpreted it as "leave your phone on charge and don't take it with you". I saw it as him blaming himself and thinking that she had misinterpreted what he had said resulting in them being completely unable to contact or trace her once they had realised she was missing.

To my (finely-tuned I reckon :wink instinct, the only thing I'm sure of is that SH is acting in his interview like a guilty person. The question to me is, is this guilt that he perceives himself ("it's my fault she's missing, I could've prevented it") or is it culpability in that he is responsible for whatever has happened to Tia? At this moment in time I'm leaning towards the former, based on his behaviour in the interview, but who knows.

I'm giving the police the benefit of the doubt. I really do believe that they're deliberately not saying much to the media as part of some grand masterplan - to me it's very telling that they have directed almost no obvious resources beyond the estate. I'm not saying this is another Shannon Matthews but to me it's clear that the police believe somebody close to home is responsible. If the police wanted wider media coverage, they could get it. I am also convinced that the MSM also believe whatever has happened to Tia happened VERY close to home, based on both the wording of the reporting, and the particularly disgusting way they are currently camped out on the doorsteps of the family.

I find the young uncle's behaviour quite odd. But I think it could easily just be that he's a bit of a lad who is a young man enjoying the media spotlight far more than he should be under the circumstances... Doesn't by any means mean he doesn't love his niece or has done anything wrong, just a little inappropriate to be lapping it up as much as he has appeared to. I'm wondering if the mother is being deliberately kept away from the spotlight so as to not do damage to public perception... I'm wondering if the decision was made that the mother WOULD draw obvious comparisons to the Matthews case and therefore it was best to have her not speak to camera so as to not arouse unfair suspicion? Perhaps the uncle is the more articulate family member and it was felt that this would go across better on camera, not that I imagine camera appeals are particularly relevant if something happened to Tia at home or immediately after leaving.

Just my two cents. I'm sorry to be so wordy in my first post! :seeya:

 

[soozieqtips]

Yes. She was playing with the phone while it was charging, which just meant it wouldn't have charged as quickly. Unless the phone was completely dead, it doesn't make sense why Hazell didn't tell her to take it with her. Even a half-dead phone is still capable of a few texts.

 

[accidental-zen]

Poor, poor Tia. God only knows what horrors she has suffered at the hands of this bunch of ne-er-do-wells... The very idea of a young girl spending time alone with ANY of them fills me with revulsion. The bedding will be being checked for traces of bodily fluids, IMO. Poor, poor Tia. Whatever happened to her will not make for pleasant reading, of that I am quite sure...