GUILTY UK - Tia Sharp, 12, New Addington, London, 3 Aug 2012 #4

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Black sheets, 2 very local brothels, a spare room, no current lodger, over 30 convictions for various unnamed offences. Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking? Or is this a ridiculous train of thought?
 
Adorabella said:
Oi! Leave the black sheets out of it! :P As discussed, quite a few of us have black cotton sheets, which were bought in places like Ikea...and God forbid, also have spare rooms with no lodgers!
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I'm not saying that black sheets mean anything on it's own even if you have a spare room.....I'm looking at the much bigger picture.
 
Adorabella said:
Oi! Leave the black sheets out of it! :P As discussed, quite a few of us have black cotton sheets, which were bought in places like Ikea...and God forbid, also have spare rooms with no lodgers!
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DITTO!


But I wouldn't discount the prostitution and drug theory, those two go hand in hand. SH I would imagine with NO job was hard up for cash due to alcohol & possible drug use. His women CB/CS doesn't earn much more than the minimum wage, it is hard to believe they had a spare room that could be earning them a nice chunk of change! Very interesting I hope the Police are looking into every possible scenario and that they did a thorough forensic search of Tia's home in Merton...
 
India99 said:
i'm not even sure there is one girl on that estate pretty enough to qualify as an Escort, battered old Cortina maybe but not an Escort lol
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Showing your age now love ;-) probably a few Corsairs between them though, eh?
 
MobyBluff said:
Black sheets, 2 very local brothels, a spare room, no current lodger, over 30 convictions for various unnamed offences. Is anyone thinking what I'm thinking? Or is this a ridiculous train of thought?
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We don't actually know that there's no lodger, do we? None has been mentioned, which means there probably isn't one, but I wouldn't take it as fact.
 
Zoe Zo said:
Does this mean he just might walk away a free man??
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I think it means proving the charge of murder would be difficult if no cause of death can be found. They may be able to opt for a different charge.

However she died, accidentally or on purpose, somebody wrapped her body and put it in the loft.

I know there is charge of preventing the burial of a body, so maybe they'd try and use something like that instead of murder.

The offence of preventing the burial of a body (indictable only, unlimited imprisonment) is an alternative charge. Proof of this offence does not require proof of the specific intent required for obstructing a coroner.

The offences of obstructing a coroner and preventing the burial of a body may arise for example, when a person decides to conceal the innocent and unexpected death of a relative or friend or prevent his burial. Such cases inevitably raise sensitive public interest factors which must be carefully considered.
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From http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_justice_offences_incorporating_the_charging_standard/#a37
 
Zoe Zo said:
Does this mean he just might walk away a free man??
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It has to be said that we don't know if "he" is guilty of anything yet.

As Clio said, somebody has committed an offence by concealing a body, but that's about as far as we can go at the moment.
 
Clio said:
I think it means proving the charge of murder would be difficult if no cause of death. They may be able to opt for a different charge.

However she died, accidentally or on purpose, somebody wrapped her body and put it in the loft.

I know there is charge of preventing the burial of a body, so maybe they'd try and use something like that instead of murder.



From http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/p_to_r/public_justice_offences_incorporating_the_charging_standard/#a37
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Thank you - happy to see he could still go away for a very long time
 
Zoe Zo said:
Thank you - happy to see he could still go away for a very long time
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don't count on it if that's all he gets convicted of.


Hans Kristian Rausing, heir to Hans Rausing who owned the multinational food packaging and processing company Tetra Pak, was charged with the offence of preventing the lawful and decent burial of a body on 17 July 2012 following the discovery of the corpse of his wife, Eva Rausing. He received a suspended sentence of imprisonment
 
Cherwell said:
We don't actually know that there's no lodger, do we? None has been mentioned, which means there probably isn't one, but I wouldn't take it as fact.
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It's so close to likely that I consider it fact. In Maths the area under a curve is estimated by "differentiation"....it's so close to being accurate that its actually correct. That's how I am looking at this. There is no lodger.
 
Cherwell said:
It has to be said that we don't know if "he" is guilty of anything yet.

As Clio said, somebody has committed an offence by concealing a body, but that's about as far as we can go at the moment.
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On the back of this post I guess we may as well stop sleuthing?
 
Preventing Lawful and Decent burial

This is arguably one of the most unusual laws, and something which people have very rarely been convicted of.

This week it was announced that Han Kristian Rausing had been sentenced to 10 months in custody, suspended for two years, for preventing the lawful and decent burial of his wife Eva Rausing. It appears that his wife may have been dead for up to two months, before her body was found by police.

The offence of preventing the lawful and decent burial of a body is not technically a crime, but a common law offence. Whilst a crime is something created and governed by statute, common law is a legal system based on precedent. In essence this means that a defendant accused of a common law offence will appear before a Crown Court, not a Magistrates Court, which has broader sentencing powers.
 
Cherwell said:
It has to be said that we don't know if "he" is guilty of anything yet.

As Clio said, somebody has committed an offence by concealing a body, but that's about as far as we can go at the moment.
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ok, thank you for letting me know this as I didn't know :)
 
India99 said:
don't count on it if that's all he gets convicted of.


Hans Kristian Rausing, heir to Hans Rausing who owned the multinational food packaging and processing company Tetra Pak, was charged with the offence of preventing the lawful and decent burial of a body on 17 July 2012 following the discovery of the corpse of his wife, Eva Rausing. He received a suspended sentence of imprisonment
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Not good :(
 
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