Found Deceased UT-5 -Year-Old Elizabeth Shelley Found Deceased (UNCLE ARRESTED) #4

[Trudie]

I’m basing my opinion on what his attorney has reported AW’s emotional state to be. I’m not the least bit sympathetic to his condition, but I am taking it into account as to his wanting to avoid a trail.

Really, there was nothing else his attorney could say.
Of course he’s emotional, he wants to go home, like every other time he was arrested, plus he’s possibly in withdrawal, confined to a cell & so forth.
His excuses worked for him before but this time they won’t.
It really is sad to see a judge give someone like Alex chance after chance. Idk why they are compelled to do so.

 

[Bravo]

I wonder who is editing AWs FB profile it was deactivated for a bit last night, but is back online now.. different name, but same link and same friends. Weird.

LE takes them down and often we see a fake one pop up.

 

[AliceInPain]

DP is too good for him, IMO. He'd get off too easy after what he did to that sweet little girl.

Sounds good but I'm not sure. He won't just be put to death. A friend of mine has spent 15+ years on death row in Florida, appeal after appeal taking years and years. He's in isolation most of the time, they get one hour outdoors time a week unless the weather is bad, the food is according to him something he wouldn't even give to his dog. Not allowed TV, just pen and paper, books and a radio, and no privacy whatsoever. Death sentence does not mean poof you're dead. It usually means years and years as described above. In general prison he'd still have his life. jmo...

 

[1&2&3]

I am hoping and praying he will follow in Chris Watts and Jake Peterson footsteps by pleading guilty.

He must know what the future holds for him, life in prison. Why put his sister and mother through the factual ugly details of what he did to his niece!

What is his relationship with his sister and mother? Is it strong enough that they can talk to him, shame him, embarrass him, into pleading guilty? Let’s hope so!

 

[LietKynes]

Really, there was nothing else his attorney could say.
Of course he’s emotional, he wants to go home, like every other time he was arrested, plus he’s possibly in withdrawal, confined to a cell & so forth.
His excuses worked for him before but this time they won’t.
It really is sad to see a judge give someone like Alex chance after chance. Idk why they are compelled to do so.

Emph. mine

Ita.
Enough people in LE who dealt with AW from his priors, and possibly some of the foster homes knew what he was capable of.
This was very preventable.

 

[riolove77]

I agree but isn’t it always these types that try this defense?
Any way to blame something or someone else for their actions - they are gonna take it!

Yes it is but they rarely succeed.

 

[justaparent]

[QUOTE="1&2&3, post: 15105617, member: 78328]

.....What is his relationship with his sister and mother? Is it strong enough that they can talk to him, shame him, embarrass him, into pleading guilty? Let’s hope so![/QUOTE]

The media reports that his mother left him when he was five years old and that he spent much of his life in foster care and some with his grandparents before the mother returned. Just my own opinion but I doubt that she would have much influence. You never know though.

 

[Bravo]

Seems his present Lawyer has some influence on him.

 

[MsBetsy]

I think Alex & many other young men would reap benefit from 3-5 year prison sentences rather than probation for lesser offenses. 3-5 with mandatory program participation such as substance abuse & anger management. Scare these guys straight when they steal cars, beat their SO, lead LE on high speed chases, etc. don’t slap their hands & send them back on the streets. 3-5 years in state prison might be enough to show a few of them they need to change. 3-5 is not that long, they can get a job skill & learn discipline & respect, two things many lack, imo.
Recidivism rates will not improve if there’s nothing to deter these guys. They go from one crime to the next.

Yeah, I'm not sure how he managed to get out of his original prison sentence.
Someone must have thought he had potential. Maybe the lawyer he has now helped him in that case, also. I wonder if he has any regrets, if so.
Imo

 

[Deleted member 158085]

I wonder who is editing AWs FB profile it was deactivated for a bit last night, but is back online now.. different name, but same link and same friends. Weird.

What is the link? I found it by name last time.

 

[Bravo]

There are many, many families going thru the case of a wayward family member. Some get fed up and kick them to the curb. Yet some just cant quite give up on them. Some are simply manipulated into feeling sorry for them. Nobody could foresee such a nightmare ending.

 

[Lillymac]

Disagree. The entire family knew of his issues. It comes to the mother to draw the line to protect her children over her brother. I hope other families won’t make the same mistake.

Is there a link or a post that tells 'his issue's'? Other than a very sick person...what are his issues? TIA.

 

[Noharg]

Really, there was nothing else his attorney could say.
Of course he’s emotional, he wants to go home, like every other time he was arrested, plus he’s possibly in withdrawal, confined to a cell & so forth.
His excuses worked for him before but this time they won’t.
It really is sad to see a judge give someone like Alex chance after chance. Idk why they are compelled to do so.

Exactly. ITA, I may not express it well, but I’ll say again, I am not in the least sympathetic. He is a abomination and a coward who will try to avoid the face to face of his family and the court.

JMO

Edited to change chickens#@*@ to coward

 

[MsBetsy]

There are many, many families going thru the case of a wayward family member. Some get fed up and kick them to the curb. Yet some just cant quite give up on them. Some are simply manipulated into feeling sorry for them. Nobody could foresee such a nightmare ending.

That's true. I'm not sure how anyone could have predicted this. Most people with mental health disorders or drug addiction are not violent.
Although there were some warning signs and this guy appeared to be a walking time bomb, many times the family's biggest concern is that the person will overdose or somehow end up dead.
It seems like he was given some of the services he needed but as soon as he violated his probation months ago he should have been put in jail. It's almost as if he was asking for it himself, looking at his behavior between the time he relapsed or stopped going to treatment until the murder. Imo

 

[GordianKnot]

Yeah, I'm not sure how he managed to get out of his original prison sentence.
Someone must have thought he had potential. Maybe the lawyer he has now helped him in that case, also. I wonder if he has any regrets, if so.
Imo

BBM:

Oh, he had potential, all right.

We're all seeing now how he self-actualized that potential.

With PVC pipe, a knife, and a 5-year old little girl.

JMO.

 

[Bravo]

Sociopaths which I believe he is have the incredible ability in manipulating others. Just sayin.........

 

[Trudie]

Sounds good but I'm not sure. He won't just be put to death. A friend of mine has spent 15+ years on death row in Florida, appeal after appeal taking years and years. He's in isolation most of the time, they get one hour outdoors time a week unless the weather is bad, the food is according to him something he wouldn't even give to his dog. Not allowed TV, just pen and paper, books and a radio, and no privacy whatsoever. Death sentence does not mean poof you're dead. It usually means years and years as described above. In general prison he'd still have his life. jmo...

The DP is not a possibility.
On page 2 or three, I posted some UT doc info. Sounds like he’ll be a class 2, with 21 hours in his cell daily. That will give him a lot of time to adjust & enjoy walks from his toilet to the door.

 

[Bravo]

We dont know how often Sister/Family saw him. Did they even know he had quit his job and was couch surfing. Did the Sister even know? Did she just learn of it that fateful night and was simply trying to help? So much we don't know.

 

[JustEve]

^^^partly this.



^^^ This poster also has a valid point.
Talk about the elephant in the room.

Given his history, it was unwise to allow him to stay for the night.
It sounds like he couch surfed all over with the family, and was allowed to come and go as he pleased.
This might work if you don't have children, but if you do -- be very watchful about whom you allow to sleep at your house. Even if they're relatives, which is a sad truth.
I'm sure the mom is kicking herself as it is !!

Also feeling sad for Lizzie's bio-dad. He hasn't been allowed to see Lizzie since she was 9 months old ! And now she's lost forever to him.
The fact that he still extended an olive branch of compassion to Jessica speaks volumes.

I couldn´t agree more.
Such a sad, heartbreaking story. Poor little sweetie, RIP.

 

[JustEve]

There are many, many families going thru the case of a wayward family member. Some get fed up and kick them to the curb. Yet some just cant quite give up on them. Some are simply manipulated into feeling sorry for them. Nobody could foresee such a nightmare ending.

Pathology rarely appears just in one member, it is more of a transgenerational thing.