UT - Kylen Schulte, 24, & Crystal Beck, 38, newlywed couple found dead, Grand County, 18 Aug 2021

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RstJ said:
I'm starting to think that Alan "P" doesn't exist. This is a trap for someone. Or it could be a convenient guy to make a "suspect" and then leave the case hanging, unsolved, but you know, probably him.

I'm far more interested in the raid (Living Hell Article above) on CSH ("Cindy Sue Hunter") for anyone just reading at this point. The timing of that seemed really weird. They're just asking for her phone now? Like 9mos later in a different state. And they decided she's a suspect. So they're chasing two suspects that have nothing in common.


R.st.J
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Yes. They made a choice to wait to pursue (I would say harass) CSH after she moved. Her description of being "led" to find the crime scene is a little out there (mumbo-jumbo in my view) but motive, means, opportunity? Sketchy at best.

I mean, did they even look for a connection between CSH & the murder weapon?

I've believed all along AP is just way to convenient. Once again: motive (seems weak), means (?) & opportunity (strongest of the 3)? And we don't know who pointed the finger at him.

All has gone quiet. Here's to hoping something that makes sense breaks the silence and that Cindy can heal from the double trauma she has to live with.

JMHO
 
I would think TOD would help clear CSH. I personally don't think she was involved and they were grasping at straws. I hope they present a clear report that we can get through a records request as to why they suspect the dead guy.
 
WingsOverTX said:
Yes. They made a choice to wait to pursue (I would say harass) CSH after she moved. Her description of being "led" to find the crime scene is a little out there (mumbo-jumbo in my view) but motive, means, opportunity? Sketchy at best.
I mean, did they even look for a connection between CSH & the murder weapon?^^rsbm
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Having been served a warrant, I wished CSH had shared, in her own words, she related the following as to why LE showed up at her home.

Also, a judge had to be convinced there was probable cause for the warrant before he signed it.

IMO, if I was in CSH's position, I'd not be wasting one minute longer before demanding to be publicly cleared. I'd worry about a lawsuit against the police later.

Three carloads of deputies from the Grand County Sheriff’s Office showed up at Hunter’s new home and dropped a bombshell on her, she recalled.

“They said that my story kept changing, which it did not,” according to Hunter, who said she had taken photographs of the crime scene with her phone to formally document her discovery. “They said that my phone pinged up there [near the murder scene], and I said, Of course it did—I told them that I went up there walking several times a week in the summer… They told me it wasn’t usual for people to take pictures at a crime scene. So they thought I might be hiding something. That’s basically what they told me.”

Hunter, whose phone was seized by the deputies, said she has been treated “horribly,” and that she is considering suing the sheriff’s office over the surreal turn of events.

“All I did was find them, and because of the way I found them, that made me a suspect,” Hunter said on Thursday. “They don't believe in [the] supernatural. I found them in a way that doesn't make sense to them, so that made me a suspect.”

news.yahoo.com

How Life Became a ‘Living Hell’ for the Woman Who Found Camping Couple’s Corpses

FacebookThe woman who last summer discovered the bodies of a newlywed couple in Moab, Utah says that police told her recently they had begun to doubt her story—until Wednesday night, when authorities publicly identified someone else as a suspect.In the meantime, Cindy Sue Hunter lived in...
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CSH said the police told her that her story didn’t add up and that her phone records indicated she had been in the area of the killings. She states she often walks in the area. I found her story initially to be a little “out there” so to speak, but am having a difficult time believing she took part in this crime. I also found her reaction in locating Kylen unusual, but that’s solely based on how I would have reacted if I located a murdered person. I would not have sat at the crime scene. I would have high tailed it out of there and told police where to find me.
 
Yuletide said:
CSH said the police told her that her story didn’t add up and that her phone records indicated she had been in the area of the killings. She states she often walks in the area. I found her story initially to be a little “out there” so to speak, but am having a difficult time believing she took part in this crime. I also found her reaction in locating Kylen unusual, but that’s solely based on how I would have reacted if I located a murdered person. I would not have sat at the crime scene. I would have high tailed it out of there and told police where to find me.
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Never having had CSH's experience, I think it difficult to know exactly how one would react at that moment! (I probably wouldn't be able to drive).

However, I do know that I would never have gone up searching around a mountain campsite alone -- especially if two of my friends had just disappeared from the same location. JMO

ETA: I recall CSH was on the phone with victim's father while she was searching but I would not have driven there by myself. o_O
 
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Seattle1 said:
Never having had CSH's experience, I think it difficult to know exactly how one would react at that moment! (I probably wouldn't be able to drive).

However, I do know that I would never have gone up searching around a mountain campsite alone -- especially if two of my friends had just disappeared from the same location. JMO

ETA: I recall CSH was on the phone with victim's father while she was searching but I would not have driven there by myself. o_O
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I can’t imagine taking the time to photograph the scene and then waiting patiently when a murderer could still be nearby. But, alas, I have not walked in her shoes. I wish her the best and hope LE is able to finalize formal charges against the murderer, so the truth prevails.
 
Yuletide said:
I can’t imagine taking the time to photograph the scene and then waiting patiently when a murderer could still be nearby. But, alas, I have not walked in her shoes. I wish her the best and hope LE is able to finalize formal charges against the murderer, so the truth prevails.
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Also, I think we'd be remiss if we did not mention that this case didn't exactly have the attention of Grand County LE-- or any other agency, when CSH went out searching on her own. All eyes in the nation were still on GP and BL. MOO
 
cocomod said:
I would think TOD would help clear CSH. I personally don't think she was involved and they were grasping at straws. I hope they present a clear report that we can get through a records request as to why they suspect the dead guy.
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I could be interpreting the LE statements and reports wrong--it wouldn't be the first time--but it sounded to me like AP was on their list of people to talk to on account of the McDonald's connection* but wasn't a suspect until they were contacted by LE in wherever AP killed himself with information about the suicide and confession. I think they were blindsided as much as we are.

This is just my own interpretation...
 
carbuff said:
I could be interpreting the LE statements and reports wrong--it wouldn't be the first time--but it sounded to me like AP was on their list of people to talk to on account of the McDonald's connection* but wasn't a suspect until they were contacted by LE in wherever AP killed himself with information about the suicide and confession. I think they were blindsided as much as we are.

This is just my own interpretation...
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Yes, this is my interpretation as well. I firmly believe they wanted to talk to him but didn't know where to reach him. I still hope to see the report some day and hopefully quiet down Dog who tries too hard to make everything about him.
 
carbuff said:
I could be interpreting the LE statements and reports wrong--it wouldn't be the first time--but it sounded to me like AP was on their list of people to talk to on account of the McDonald's connection* but wasn't a suspect until they were contacted by LE in wherever AP killed himself with information about the suicide and confession. I think they were blindsided as much as we are.

This is just my own interpretation... ^^bbm
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I agree in part because I think AP definitely would have remained on the Grand County's contact list-- not necessarily as a suspect but definitely, as somebody to make contact with after his reportedly abrupt departure coincided with the time of the murders. I recall that AP didn't even pick up his final paycheck.

But I also agree that without prior knowledge of AP's alleged confession, I wouldn't say he fell off the list, but any delay trying to locate AP may also account for why investigators had and used the opportunity to turn their eyes towards alleged, suspicious behavior of CSH. (IMO, CSH wouldn't be the first party who after being vocal about inaction by local authorities, was then investigated).

However, in all fairness, I'm also recalling how after months of silence, when LE finally made a public statement about the investigation of the unsolved murders, they provided that they had developed several persons (i.e., plural) of interest that they were actively exploring.

Personally, I think we all share the same sentiment here where if shown credible evidence leading authorities to conclude that AP was in fact responsible for the murders of KS and CB, we'd rejoice and move on. But just the same, if AP was not responsible, that means the killer(s) is still out there. o_O

MOO
 
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The name "Alan" has come up before. There's a podcast that has done a really good job of getting interviews with people involved in the case. Full disclosure: I don't work for the podcast or their host, nor do I know them. I'm not advertising so just bringing a source to the discussion: Shay Shares What She Knows About Kylen And Crystal’s Last Days.

Shay (coworker of Crystal at McD) describes an "Alan" but not the same last name. There are too many details in common to dismiss this as just some other guy named "Alan."

a) Worked at McD's
b) didn't like lesbians and made sure others knew it
c) left w/o getting his final paycheck.

but there are differences:

a) he had a different last name
b) he was traveling with a friend in a black Jeep Wrangler
c) there was no question that he knew Crystal and she was aware of him as well

I've always found it curious that rather than say that Alan left work suddenly, or vanished, etc--both LE and Shay mention he didn't get his last check. Why not say he left shortly before/after the murders? Or was he still around and working after the murders (like the creepy guy at Moonflower who was an early POI)? People who leave work all of a sudden are suspicious as hell; it's the reason why the missing persons was filed on Crystal and Kylen. But people who don't pick up their last check? Was it for two weeks, a couple days, or even a few hours? Was he even aware that it was coming? I've had gigs that ended where checks were sent out with only a few hours on them that I didn't even know was due me.

Does LE have a case against anyone or are they just grabbing people off the streets and investigating them. Asking for CSH's cell phone while press releases go out about a suspect who had no known relationship with her is not very encouraging. Neither is timing press releases to coincide with FBI announcements, or visits by Dog the Bounty Hunter.

Shay mentions an odd fact that I can't verify--KB (Kayla) and her McD co-worker were the ones who filed the initial missing persons report with Moab police. I believe this was Tues AM (SPS posted on Facebook the same morning). I'm trying to find that missing persons report. Anyone seen it?

R.st.J
 
RstJ said:
I've always found it curious that rather than say that Alan left work suddenly, or vanished, etc--both LE and Shay mention he didn't get his last check. Why not say he left shortly before/after the murders? Or was he still around and working after the murders (like the creepy guy at Moonflower who was an early POI)? People who leave work all of a sudden are suspicious as hell; it's the reason why the missing persons was filed on Crystal and Kylen. But people who don't pick up their last check?
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I don't personally see the problem with the statement about not picking up his last check. I think it was a very effective clue to confirm his guilt.

1. It's an easily verifiable true fact. The check is still sitting there, over at the office, and LE likely have seen it for themselves. So they could put that out there in cyberspace with no fear of later having to contradict themselves. They likely didn't know exactly when he left town, probably they're investigating that now.

2. If the person is known not to have been kidnapped or murdered, I think it's a very clear indication of someone skipping town out of fear. He wasn't volunteering, he must have needed the money. Anyone normal would wait to receive it before leaving town, or give a forwarding address. To me, immediately it indicates 'guilt and fear'.

JMO
 
Seattle1 said:
Correct, the decedent is Adam (AP).
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Yes, Adam. Not sure why I had Alan as his name. Apologies to the group.

--"Sam"
The podcast also has a guy named "Sam (min 21:40 )" who was traveling with Adam in a black Jeep Wrangler. Both worked at McD's and both vanished at the same time. Shay does not explicitly state that they didn't pick up their checks, but if they left together, then it's a reasonable assumption given that Adam left his.

--Date of Adam's departure
Creepy guys who vanish are good suspects. But when did they leave? If it was Aug 14, or early 15 then yeah, it's probably them. But if they left late on the 15th or maybe even on the 16th or 17th, then it's just not them.

Once again, back to dates...(like who said the victims were in Woodys on Aug 14th)...

R.st.J
 
I hate it when cases like this go into a kind of limbo. It's not really closed, but it's not really open either. News coverage died off on May 12. There have been no follow ups, no status given, nothing but a news search that comes up empty handed beyond that date. People forget, and a killer walks free.

R.st.J
 
The most thorough coverage I have read about these women and their murders. It does have a point of view but excellent insight & details.

"Sean-Paul [Kylen's father] is still waiting for the Grand County Sheriff’s Office to come out with evidence—ballistics, DNA—that conclusively links Pinkusiewicz to the crime, but he believes Pinkusiewicz is likely the murderer. (As of press time, no further updates on the case have been released.)"

www.marieclaire.com

Love, Hate, and Homicide in the High Desert

When a lesbian couple was murdered on a remote trail in Moab, Utah, it reinforced one gruesome truth: for the LGBTQ+ community, the great outdoors can be a deadly place.
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