UT -Susan Powell, 28, West Valley City, 6 Dec 2009 - #5

[kiki the parrot]

Hello all. New here.

This may have been brought up before, and if so, forgive me. But I've been thinking about the late night camping trip. Does anyone think that it could be a possibility that he burned her body? I sure hate the thought.

HELLO wyome... welcome :cat:

Ya know he sure took long enough--both times. We considered "campfire" somewhere back (can't remember where exactly). But he had the boys along and all I can say is if someone can roast s'mores w their kids over their dead mother's body, that's an alltime low. Of course LE never found a firepit or any evidence whatsoever of camping where he said he went (south in the west desert in Simpson Springs area...) though that doesn't mean he didn't somewhere else. Call it a hunch but I'm more inclined to believe he went N/NW on I-84W (in direction of Boise, a route familiar to him) and may have even had help w disposal. I'd like to know what JP purchased at the stop(s) he made--even if he wasn't stupid enough to take his phone or make any card (electronic) transactions during those 48 hours, there are still cameras everywhere. ETA It's possible boys weren't along on second trip, which would've given him a better opportunity.

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[Breathe]

That is along the same lines as what I have been thinking. My car although it doesn't even have an alarm system has a "panic" button on the key flob that sounds just like an alarm system going off.

If one of them were trying to leave and the other one tried to get the keys away from them the panic button could have been hit accidentally. Thus the sounding of the alarm could be the actual time of when the problems began.

Exactly! Maybe she talked about divorce and said she was going to take the boys. He got mad and said he was going to take the boys NOW so she grabbed his keys to stop him and ran through the house with them until he caught her and then....maybe he lost control. Maybe that's what he meant about the boys not knowing what was going on until late or later. I can't remember his quote.

Also, if he burned her. People would think it was a wood stove based on the time of year. If he used gas, would it burn white/gray like wood smoke or black like a structure fire? Just thinking out loud....

 

[DomCasual]

(respectfully snipped) LA you and I really are thinking alike. I too have pictured the possibility that Susan, still conscious inside the house yet realizing she was in a near lifeless or extremely incapacitated state, might have been unable to reach or operate her phone but managed to activate the panic button on the remote key chain eg. I do not think this necessitates that a struggle be going on between JP and she, tho I understand the rationale behind it (that something was occupying or preventing JP from immediately turning it off).

I've also shared your sinking feeling that Susan may have still been clinging to life when JP took her that night in the van--unconscious but still alive. Too cruel and/or cowardly to even finish the job, my fear is JP may have left her to die out there in the elements. :furious:

arrot:

Here's the problem with her setting off the car alarm. Didn't the neighbor say he heard it at something like 11:30? I'm guessing she was dead by then. I honestly think he really did leave the house at 12:30, like he said. My guess is that he wouldn't lie about that, in case someone saw him leaving at another time. I don't think there would have been enough time between the time the car alarm was going off and the time he left to pack up the kids, clean up whatever mess he made, turn on the fans, etc.

Of course, he could have left later than 12:30. But I think he would have been worried about that. He tells LE he left at 12:30, and the neighbor tells them, "Well, I couldn't sleep that night, and I thought it was weird when I saw him backing out of his garage at 4:45." My guess is he really did leave and have everything wrapped up (so to speak) by 12:30.

 

[diphi]

If your wife/husband was "missing", would you sell the house ???????? Reminds me of Scott Peterson selling Lacy's car when she was "missing". This defies logic!

He wants to put this nasty espisode behind him, cut his loses. Plus, that attorney has to be paid somehow...Dad may not be that flush with $$.

 

[kiki the parrot]

WELCOME Breathe...

NG covering Susan Powell--and another case of missing baby Gabriel Johnson.

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[diphi]

Here's the problem with her setting off the car alarm. Didn't the neighbor say he heard it at something like 11:30? I'm guessing she was dead by then. I honestly think he really did leave the house at 12:30, like he said. My guess is that he wouldn't lie about that, in case someone saw him leaving at another time. I don't think there would have been enough time between the time the car alarm was going off and the time he left to pack up the kids, clean up whatever mess he made, turn on the fans, etc.

Of course, he could have left later than 12:30. But I think he would have been worried about that. He tells LE he left at 12:30, and the neighbor tells them, "Well, I couldn't sleep that night, and I thought it was weird when I saw him backing out of his garage at 4:45." My guess is he really did leave and have everything wrapped up (so to speak) by 12:30.

I'm thinking he left at 12:30, too. The neighbor heard the alarm at 11:45. But, really, if they slept in the van, what all would he need to pack? He'd have to get her in the van - 15 minutes? Get blankets for the kids, diapers, coats, wakeup and get the kids in the van - 15 minutes? Oh, clean the wet spot - 15 minutes? Do those timeframes seem reasonable?

Depending on how premeditated it was, he may have been in a panic himself, not thinking clearly and skipping a lot of the things we would normally think about taking on a camping trip.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I just had a look on JP's Realtor website for the first time and I was amazed to see his picture. He looks confident and successful. I had noticed on other photos, such as the family shots, that JP has a weak smile (no way as confident-looking as on his website) and also his posture drooping (IMO). And all the pictures we see of him now plus his "performances" on camera are the complete opposite to how he appears on his website (someone (sorry, I can't remember who) had mentioned earlier in this thread that he had public speaking as one of his areas of interest - which very obviously isn't his strength at this time!!!).

I assume the website photos are older - a time when he was more successful and confident. Does anyone know when the family photos were taken? Are they fairly recent? I assume so, seeing that the baby looks quite 'old' already.

I have seen people fall from success and it shows in their body language and appearance. Maybe his controlling character was reinforced by his downfall (first unemployment and maybe his last job wasn't all that prestigious). At least controlling Susan gave him some power. I assume his wife's success as a stockbroker probably added to his resentment. Some men cannot handle being with a more successful woman.

Does anybody know when JP stopped being a realtor and why his website is still up and running?

Just one last remark about the family photos: If you compare Susan's and JP's appearance on these pictures, I found as soon as I saw them that Susan had a lovely confident smile whereas he appeared to me as a weakling. I was surprised to hear that he is controlling - from the photos I would have said that he was a 'kept' man and that she definitely wears the pants in that relationship. Funny how looks can deceive...

(bbm) Hi tulip Exactly, people who feel defeated or can't find fulfillment in their lives--ie have either poor self image, or are unable to take control over their own lives--often become excessively controlling over a spouse (or others). The signs or symptoms you've described aren't conflicting--from what we've heard he was both unsuccessful and that likely escalated his controlling to the point of abusiveness IMO.
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[DomCasual]

I'm thinking he left at 12:30, too. The neighbor heard the alarm at 11:45. But, really, if they slept in the van, what all would he need to pack? He'd have to get her in the van - 15 minutes? Get blankets for the kids, diapers, coats, wakeup and get the kids in the van - 15 minutes? Oh, clean the wet spot - 15 minutes? Do those timeframes seem reasonable?

Depending on how premeditated it was, he may have been in a panic himself, not thinking clearly and skipping a lot of the things we would normally think about taking on a camping trip.

It could be. I guess it would depend on how much of a mess he made.

I hope he was in a hurry like that. He would have left lots of evidence, I would think.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Omg thank you Karen... I knew I'd read this early on but was having no luck finding and almost starting to question whether I dreamed it or remembered incorrectly! Please please try to find article again and direct me to this source! rayer:

:blowkiss:

arrot:

I could just pull my hair out. I can't find it! <scream>

But, for what it's worth, I definitely read it. The article said what date SP got to West Valley City, and what date he headed back to WA.

It was a news article, not a blog post. I'm sorry I couldn't find it. If I run across it again, I'll post it.

Ya'll do realize, that he woke those 2 babies up and got them out of their warm beds that night to take them out. :furious:

 

[Breathe]

Thanks for the warm welcome Kiki. (I grew up and have family in the Cheney/Spokane, WA area.)

Please refresh my memory, did anyone see Josh leave or return from sledding? Wouldn't there be a wet spot in the garage from the melted snow by the sleds when LE got there? Most garages stay pretty cold. I wonder if they checked the sleds. (Twenty bucks says that the sleds were left in the van because he needed to use them later to dispose of evidence.)

 

[angeleleven]

Nancy Grace is not allowing a lot of time for SP tonight.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Thanks for the warm welcome Kiki. (I grew up and have family in the Cheney/Spokane, WA area.)

Please refresh my memory, did anyone see Josh leave or return from sledding? Wouldn't there be a wet spot in the garage from the melted snow by the sleds when LE got there? Most garages stay pretty cold. I wonder if they checked the sleds. (Twenty bucks says that the sleds were left in the van because he needed to use them later to dispose of evidence.)

Great points!

 

[Dal Gal]

Thanks for the warm welcome Kiki. (I grew up and have family in the Cheney/Spokane, WA area.)

Please refresh my memory, did anyone see Josh leave or return from sledding? Wouldn't there be a wet spot in the garage from the melted snow by the sleds when LE got there? Most garages stay pretty cold. I wonder if they checked the sleds. (Twenty bucks says that the sleds were left in the van because he needed to use them later to dispose of evidence.)

Awesome points!

There has got to be a TON of evidence collected that needs to be processed.

Were the police AT the home when he arrived home? Was his van immediately taken in, or would he have had a chance to unload it? Were there graham crackers and marshmallows in the van? Hurry up with the forensic results!!!

 

[Karen Anne RN]

I never realized that there was this much difference until I saw this photo:

http://tinyurl.com/ygvfztc

 

[CCup]

I never realized that there was this much difference until I saw this photo:

http://tinyurl.com/ygvfztc

The picture just makes me sick to my stomach!

 

[daisy7]

Fran - Thanks so much for your hard work on the media thread!! :blowkiss:

 

[SusanB]

Nancy Grace only spent a few minutes on the case tonight, but at least she is now covering criminal cases instead of Tiger.
Mark Klaas dug JP a new one - he stated that Josh was a "little man" who needed a mother not a wife. Wow, he was severe.
LE is trying to graph out where someone could travel to and from in a 24 hour period (when JP took off w/ rental car).
Come on man, tell where the body is!
WTH??Why would you MOVE from the home where your spouse "disappeared?" Makes absolutely no sense, Joshy boy. Wouldn't you be begging for her to return home?? To the home you shared lovingly as a couple?
Yea, right.
Hope LE are keeping a lot of info under wraps, and soon it will come out.
Until then, all we can do is pray that JP cracks under the strain of his actions and lies.:liar:

 

[Dwight]

When purchasing a new car, can you elect to not have a standard option and "downgrade" on a certain feature? I have a 2005 T & C Touring edition but it does not have a navigation system. If the Powells have a Touring or Limited edition, they might not have the navigation or some other feature that we'd expect.

Sorry if others have already replied; am way behind in reading posts. But I do not believe it's possible to "deselect" a standard feature of a certain car model. That would defeat the purpose of having upgraded models. It's a package - you want rally wheels, you have to get the upgraded suspension and spoiler along with those wheels in the "sport package". It's a way to sell more $. If it's an optional feature then of course it's well, optional.

 

[Dwight]

If it's a portable device, you just don't turn it on and you can't be tracked. That wouldn't prove anything.

If the GPS is hardwired into the car, though, there would be telltale signs of tampering that would definitely have been detected when the van was impounded. What I've read online about removing GPS ranges from "disconnect the ground at the cigarette lighter" to "take it to a specialist." If he spontaneously needed to remove it, IMO there'd be some major googling going on!

Did ya'll know that every single search that every single person has ever done on Google is stored on Google's servers? And that Google complies with subpoena's from LE on a regular basis? That's how they roll. My source of info on that bit is a cable channel program, from I think the History Channel. I don't take everything the HC serves up as fact, but that item was said by an employee from Google being interviewed on the program.

Of course, the forensic computer guys can come up with all sorts of stuff on the computer itself without even going to Google or AOL.

 

[kiki the parrot]

I could just pull my hair out. I can't find it! <scream>

But, for what it's worth, I definitely read it. The article said what date SP got to West Valley City, and what date he headed back to WA.

It was a news article, not a blog post. I'm sorry I couldn't find it. If I run across it again, I'll post it.

Ya'll do realize, that he woke those 2 babies up and got them out of their warm beds that night to take them out. :furious:

Oh no... :scream: me too

lol, thanks Karen, at least now I know I'm not completely crazy :crazy: I thought I read it (versus watched video eg) too and IIRC it was in the first week following report of her disappearance so fairly early in the coverage. Most of the news stories I've read have been deseret and SLTrib but so far no luck refinding... could it have been removed? I'm not giving up lol, we KNOW he was there. And whoever it was w JP I notice stayed in the car (parked on street) when JP gets out and approaches his house where reporter--and news camera--await and engage him in questioning... prolly hoping all the while that JP would handle it and get rid of them quickly. That was right around the time it was reported he'd been seen in WVC and there's something else, not only his age can't put my finger on what, that told me it had to be daddy... probably just looked like a pansy, walked like a pansy lol how he kept his back to the camera... heck I could be wrong.

But it sure would help to have a timeline for daddy... ie if he stated he drove to UT, when does he allege to have left WA? :waitasec: So far all we know is he's back in Puyallup anyway refusing interviews (issuing only a brief statement quoted re his son and his family being "villified") by Dec. 20.

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