VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[JaimeSommers]

Iva's account of what Amy said is accurate.

Again, to be absolutely clear, I neither was nor am questioning the accuracy of Mrs. Bradley's statements. If for one second I doubted the Bradleys, I wouldn't be devoting so much of my own time trying to bring their daughter home. Not sure if there was doubt in your mind about that, so I just wanted to reinforce that.

I don't want to repeat Amy's conversations or other sensitive details like that.

I wasn't aware that what I shared was sensitive, because it was in MSM stories and (I think) I included it in my summary of info for that sighting. If it should be deleted from that summary, let me know. My intent is never to put Amy in danger with any of the information that I post.

I do know that kidnap victims are often in great fear for their own lives and lives of loved ones. They are often victims of threats. They also fear punishment which would have been possible if an escape attempt failed.

That certainly makes sense. We had talked in Thread #1 about what Amy may have been told to keep her compliant (e.g., threats to her family), so it wouldn't surprise me.

The handlers who were with Amy in the hotel were not the same handlers in the sketches.

That's helpful. Thanks!

I don't think the hotel was burned to destroy evidence of Amy. It was not learned that Amy had been there until over a year after the hotel burned. The escort photos didn't appear for three more years.

What I was getting at with the escort photos was that we don't know when they were taken. They appeared three years later, but they could have been taken at the hotel before it was burned down. We just don't know. Frustrating! :banghead:

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I have another piece of the conversation with the Scientologists. This conversation is not sensitive or confidential. The Bradleys had returned to their room after searching for Amy. Iva was on the verge of hysterics. Ron was physically ill. The Scientologist leaders stood in the room and asked them to please make lists of things that they should be grateful for. They were asked to leave.

I'm confused if Scientology truly plays a part in Amy's disappearance or not. The Feds emphatically state the Scientologists aren't involved but your posts make them look suspicious to say the least. I've searched online since coming to Amy's case and haven't seen any mainstream articles on this scenario and especially with the same undertones. The only place I've seen it being discussed to this level is here. How could the Feds truly rule out Scientologists playing a part here given what Amy's parents have apparently stated? For the Feds to come right out and specifically state that Scientology isn't involved in Amy's disappearance says a lot. Diving further into it only feeds conspiracy theorists already against Scientology.

I am not a Scientologist, nor do I ever wish to be, but if the Feds 100% deny them being involved - then they're not. Didn't they say they investigated it thoroughly before arriving at that conclusion?

Eta: Your specific words were High Level Intelligence. Who is the high level intelligence & is it safe to assume if it's not the Feds being referred to then at least they know about it?

 

[FindAmy]

Again, to be absolutely clear, I neither was nor am questioning the accuracy of Mrs. Bradley's statements. If for one second I doubted the Bradleys, I wouldn't be devoting so much of my own time trying to bring their daughter home. Not sure if there was doubt in your mind about that, so I just wanted to reinforce that.



I wasn't aware that what I shared was sensitive, because it was in MSM stories and (I think) I included it in my summary of info for that sighting. If it should be deleted from that summary, let me know. My intent is never to put Amy in danger with any of the information that I post.



That certainly makes sense. We had talked in Thread #1 about what Amy may have been told to keep her compliant (e.g., threats to her family), so it wouldn't surprise me.



That's helpful. Thanks!



What I was getting at with the escort photos was that we don't know when they were taken. They appeared three years later, but they could have been taken at the hotel before it was burned down. We just don't know. Frustrating! :banghead:

Jaime, your motives are absolutely not in question. You have been sent from Heaven. I know that you weren't questioning the accuracy of Iva's statements and I know how hard you are working for Amy.

Iva and Ron made statements and revealed information about pre 2005 sightings. Some of this included conversations and certain details. I am absolutely opposed to some of what was done and what was revealed. The Vanished documentary also released what I believe is information that could be damaging to the investigation and dangerous to Amy. I personally feel that the producers were reckless and irresponsible. Sensitve information has been released to the media in the past. The information that is out there can't be taken back at this point. I can't do anything to make it go away and I certainly know that you are in no way responsible for anything that is out there. All that I can do is to personally not continue repeating the already released details and make certain that newer details remain confidential.

I know that I am frustrating to sleuthers because I insist on working only with facts. I have seen missing persons cases become a circus with wild assumptions, diversions, unproven information, and crazy accusations. Unproven connections quickly develop a life of their own. I will not allow that to happen with Amy's case. I will not allow innocent people to be dragged into a kidnapping and I will not allow Amy or her parents to become victims of attacks on their character or behavior. I don't want people believing information that is not fact. I don't want the unfounded rumors about children, the mob, prostitution, etc, etc to become part of Amy's case and I will fight to keep all of it out.

Amy's captors will be in handcuffs. This case will be solved with facts, not craziness.

 

[FindAmy]

I'm confused if Scientology truly plays a part in Amy's disappearance or not. The Feds emphatically state the Scientologists aren't involved but your posts make them look suspicious to say the least. I've searched online since coming to Amy's case and haven't seen any mainstream articles on this scenario and especially with the same undertones. The only place I've seen it being discussed to this level is here. How could the Feds truly rule out Scientologists playing a part here given what Amy's parents have apparently stated? For the Feds to come right out and specifically state that Scientology isn't involved in Amy's disappearance says a lot. Diving further into it only feeds conspiracy theorists already against Scientology.

I am not a Scientologist, nor do I ever wish to be, but if the Feds 100% deny them being involved - then they're not. Didn't they say they investigated it thoroughly before arriving at that conclusion?

Eta: Your specific words were High Level Intelligence. Who is the high level intelligence & is it safe to assume if it's not the Feds being referred to then at least they know about it?

I have never said that the Feds or any Federal Agency has made any statements about Scientology. I have specifically said that high level intelligence has ruled out Scientology. Please don't misquote me with assumptions. <modsnip>

My posts are in no way written to make Scientologists appear suspicious.

Scientology has never really been a mainstream discussion topic in the media because it has never been considered a realistic theory. It has been perpetuated by a very small group of individuals and primarily by one person in particular, who had access to certain forums. This person has damaged Amy's case in more than one way. The Bradley family is extremely upset by what this person has done and LE isn't happy, either.

 

[Cltguy49]

FindingAmy,

I actually think getting photo's from other on the cruise ship might be VERY helpful especially since everything the cruise ship had is gone. Would you or the Bradleys be willing to post it on her facebook page? It would be a daunting task but I suspect it may prove beneficial. 2 people can take the exact same picture but due to angle, etc you may see 2 very different images. I believe this would be MORE informative than video from the cruise line.

I'm sure they have gone through EVERY photo they have and it must be extremely difficult but I do believe it would be very worthwhile for them to see other peoples pictures.

Also, her fathers company, did they have a photographer? Do you know if those pictures have been looked at?

 

[FindAmy]

FindingAmy,

I actually think getting photo's from other on the cruise ship might be VERY helpful especially since everything the cruise ship had is gone. Would you or the Bradleys be willing to post it on her facebook page? It would be a daunting task but I suspect it may prove beneficial. 2 people can take the exact same picture but due to angle, etc you may see 2 very different images. I believe this would be MORE informative than video from the cruise line.

I'm sure they have gone through EVERY photo they have and it must be extremely difficult but I do believe it would be very worthwhile for them to see other peoples pictures.

Also, her fathers company, did they have a photographer? Do you know if those pictures have been looked at?

Thank you very much. I will discuss this with the Bradleys.

 

[Fukiyama]

2 people can take the exact same picture but due to angle, etc you may see 2 very different images.

Two attachments to help illustrate the point. They are quite obviously images of the sailor and nurse in Times Square in 1945. The second one is the famous picture from Life Magazine. The first one is lesser known and shot from a different angle with different people in the background and completely disguising the fact the couple is in Times Square.

 

[dotr]

For any folks working their way through the posts, a copy of the documentary in English was posted to Youtube last night. The documentary starts at about the 3:40 mark. I am not sure how long the video will be able to be kept on Youtube.

Warning - some of the video may be disturbing to folks - so if unsure please do not watch

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4nHdA4OgBA&feature=youtu.be

Thankyou so much for posting this, like another poster said ,the chair in the bedroom (beside the bed with a lamp) - was somewhat similar in size and look, to the one in A's pic.

 

[Cltguy49]

I might be saying something or giving out a name I'm not suppose to, if I am please have this post deleted. Has anything ever come of the video Chris Fenwick had, I believe the Bradleys have seen it, but I could be wrong.

 

[FindAmy]

I might be saying something or giving out a name I'm not suppose to, if I am please have this post deleted. Has anything ever come of the video Chris Fenwick had, I believe the Bradleys have seen it, but I could be wrong.

Chris Fenwick is a good guy. He has worked closely with the Bradleys who consider Chris a friend. Chris has his own master video. A copy was given to the FBI by Ron's boss. The Bradleys have a copy. A copy is available at Chris's website.

There is nothing secretive or mysterious about this video. Chris was making a video for a group of passengers on the ship. He was filming in the upper disco when he happened to film Alister Douglas dancing with Amy. This became evidence that Alister Douglas was in the video dancing with Amy, the night before she disappeared.

The video has the last images of Amy before she disappeared.

 

[Cltguy49]

Chris Fenwick is a good guy. He has worked closely with the Bradleys who consider Chris a friend. Chris has his own master video. A copy was given to the FBI by Ron's boss. The Bradleys have a copy. A copy is available at Chris's website.

There is nothing secretive or mysterious about this video. Chris was making a video for a group of passengers on the ship. He was filming in the upper disco when he happened to film Alister Douglas dancing with Amy. This became evidence that Alister Douglas was in the video dancing with Amy, the night before she disappeared.

The video has the last images of Amy before she disappeared.

That's what I gathered from his website. I literally stumbled on it. I can't see the video on this computer though :maddening: I'm guessing there was no one else in the video that appeared to be watching Amy? From what I read the video is difficult to see because it's dark, I'm just wondering if the older dark haired man is on it anywhere

 

[FindAmy]

That's what I gathered from his website. I literally stumbled on it. I can't see the video on this computer though :maddening: I'm guessing there was no one else in the video that appeared to be watching Amy? From what I read the video is difficult to see because it's dark, I'm just wondering if the older dark haired man is on it anywhere

The dark haired man has not been seen on anything from the ship. Iva isn't even certain if he was a passenger or a member of the crew.

 

[elepher50]

Thomas Wild information:

 

[Wondergirl]

For any folks working their way through the posts, a copy of the documentary in English was posted to Youtube last night. The documentary starts at about the 3:40 mark. I am not sure how long the video will be able to be kept on Youtube.

Warning - some of the video may be disturbing to folks - so if unsure please do not watch

Here is the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4nHdA4OgBA&feature=youtu.be

Thanks for uploading, Eleph.

I just watched it. I am at a loss for words. Ugh

Not a pimp? Wow. :banghead:

 

[FindAmy]

Thomas Wild information:

Good Work! Thank you.

My Wild Vacation was created after Affordable Adult Vacations broke up in April of 2004. Thomas Wild went with My Wild Vacation, Paul Baxter went with Total Satisfaction, and Zaglanitis went with his own Alexis Club.

I want to know which one of them was connected to Amy and her photographs. I want to know which one of them posted her photograph on the Affordable Adult Vacations website in December of 2002 and again in 2004.

 

[FindAmy]

Paul Baxter knows exactly where Affordable Adult Vacations got Amy's photograph.

 

[Wondergirl]

I don't know whether this is useful information or not but I did manage to get a copy of the English version of the documentary of My Boyfriend the Sex Tourist. In the film it was noted by one of the girl workers who was being fired that "Jazmin did not receive monies owing to her either".

Also I did get the sense that if there was any sort of "special" requests from any of the male guests that the working girls in the Hotel could not satisfy then the surrounding islands were "tapped" to find the right match for the paying guest. Note - this is only a sense that I got from watching the film.

I also noticed in the film that Paul B. had a fairly expensive looking camera in his hands taking pictures at one of he parties so he was not unfamiliar with photography.

Does this lead us anywhere = I do not know but will continue to put out any information that may help bring Amy home to her family.

Here is the screenshot of the reference to Jazmin:

I picked up on the Jazmin reference, too, Eleph. When was the video made, and are there others?

 

[Wondergirl]

So, I've been thinking about this today.



A drink may have been all that he had time for?



Of all of the witnesses with verified stories, this is the one about which I have the most questions. If the handlers were there, how was it that Amy could say as much as she said to the sailor?

It was reported by Amy's mom that the sailor told Amy there was a Naval boat five minutes away and she could leave. Why would she say, "No, you don't understand. I'm Amy Bradley," instead of making a run for it with him?

I want to be clear -- I'm not doubting Amy's mom whatsoever. My questions are specifically about the witness. Was he able to give a description of the man/men who told Amy to go upstairs? If so, did the sketch match any of the other handler sketches?



Just thinking out loud here: Is it possible they were selective in who they allowed her to go with? If it was obvious the witness was an American -- especially a member of the military -- I could see them keeping her away.



It doesn't sound like it was very obscure if the bar was a big draw?



I really do wonder if they burned the place down to rid albl evidence of Amy having been there. Maybe it's where the photos were taken. They could have been taken prior to the hotel fire -- then they could have been stolen and the hotel owner panicked and burned the place down. This has been bugging me all day.

Good post, you have me thinking.

Did Amy say "You don't understand, I'm Amy Bradley", because she knows how high up her captors go, are connected, and fears even trying to make a dash on a US Ship?

Why else would she say that?

 

[Chorley8]

The film begins with a close-up of a man with a woman to his left camera right and the camera zooms out we see the dance floor and Amy dancing with Y.

I am interested in the woman dancing close to Amy in red looks like floral pattern full length red dress: the man in the zoom shot seems now to be watching woman in red and she seems to make eye contact with Y. when the shot freezes she is looking right at Y and Amy.

In the elevator shots woman in red is not present nor in the pool video.

In the later dancing scene not too many people are dancing but woman in red is dancing again with what seems to be the man in the first zoom shot.

Not sure how far apart the two sequences are in real time but in both Y and Amy are dancing adjacent to woman in red and the man from the zoom shot if it is him.

I have a question as to who she is and if it is not friend or family if she is watching Amy.

 

[FindAmy]

The film begins with a close-up of a man with a woman to his left camera right and the camera zooms out we see the dance floor and Amy dancing with Y.

I am interested in the woman dancing close to Amy in red looks like floral pattern full length red dress: the man in the zoom shot seems now to be watching woman in red and she seems to make eye contact with Y. when the shot freezes she is looking right at Y and Amy.

In the elevator shots woman in red is not present nor in the pool video.

In the later dancing scene not too many people are dancing but woman in red is dancing again with what seems to be the man in the first zoom shot.

Not sure how far apart the two sequences are in real time but in both Y and Amy are dancing adjacent to woman in red and the man from the zoom shot if it is him.

I have a question as to who she is and if it is not friend or family if she is watching Amy.

I don't know who she is.