VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

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Dushi said:
I also don't understand why she would be brought out in public, as in San Fran

Seems risky , very risky and I can't figure out why her"handlers" would risk that

I am not questioning whether these things happened or not, I am trying to wrap my head around it

Also, if held against her will for "breeding" I expect she would be locked up and no chance of anyone seeing her

This Military man, wher exactly did he see her? Was that in a hotel used for prostitution

As I said, can't make sense of this horrible situation
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Here's what I think: there are very documented sightings of Amy that have been verified. I think it's worth noting those locations (as near & close as possible) and then say go out about a mile radius to note all companies or larger scale groups in that area, then compare the locations against the companies and/or buildings to see if there's maybe a common denominator...

In the meantime I'm still investigating the many many many llcs.
 
SoSueMe, thank you so much for this thread back! We're going to uncover stuff, that's a promise!
 
Dushi said:
A young woman disappears and later her pics show up on the internet

That is extremely bold of someone
And I imagine the conditions are deplorable, frightening
I imagine her being terrified

But I don't get the pics being used for humiliation or control
being held against your will in these conditions would be more than humiliating and she has no control

I highly doubt she would be ashamed, she is not responsible for her situation
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She has most likely been forced to do things that anyone would be ashamed of, even though it wasn't her fault at all. Rape victims often speak of feeling ashamed, even though they are a victim in the situation.

With the pictures, her captors could have told her "look at these. Now your family thinks you are a prostitute now. No one is going to look for you because they think you're just a hooker." That's what we mean by them using the photos to humiliate her.

Also, it could be used to throw her family and searchers off track. To try to make them think she was abducted to be a prostitute, (or that she left on her own to be one), when in reality, she is miles away doing...well, doing something else.
 
Dushi said:
I also don't understand why she would be brought out in public, as in San Fran

Seems risky , very risky and I can't figure out why her"handlers" would risk that

I am not questioning whether these things happened or not, I am trying to wrap my head around it

Also, if held against her will for "breeding" I expect she would be locked up and no chance of anyone seeing her

This Military man, wher exactly did he see her? Was that in a hotel used for prostitution

As I said, can't make sense of this horrible situation
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Prostitution is legal in the Caribbean. It would be incredibly risky to kidnap an American from a cruise ship and use her as a prostitute- why take the risk when there are plenty of women who are wiling to be prostitutes? Also, being a prostitute or an escort requires a woman to be alone with a man. Amy most likely would have asked for help at that time. Again, it's a big risk for very little reward.

We've thrown around some ideas as to why Amy may have been taken.
Breeder
Laborer
Wife to someone high up and important

Also, Amy has (or had at the time) a kind of clean-cut, All-American look. Perhaps they needed someone who looked trustworthy to help abduct other women or children. Or to sneak items through customs in other countries. It is also possible that they abducted her for her computer skills. I believe she studied computer science in school. Maybe she mentioned this to someone like Allistair Douglas, or maybe someone simply overheard her tell another passenger about it. There are lots of reasons they could have taken her. And she may have been used for more than one purpose.
 
Prostitution and Sex Tourism

Prostitution is illegal in most Caribbean destinations, but there are two notable exceptions: the Dutch Caribbean islands and the Dominican Republic. Unbeknownst to most tourists, Bonaire, St. Maarten and Curacao have legal brothels; the biggest is the Campo Alegre Adult Resort in Curacao, which has been in business for half a century and can have up to 150 girls available for liaisons on a given evening. The "Happy Camp" does attract some tourists as well as locals, and even welcomes women and couples on Tuesday nights
http://gocaribbean.about.com/od/healthandsafety/a/Caribbeansex_2.htm
 
Over the last decade, certain UN agencies, various governments, and some NGOs have promoted the policy that prostitution is voluntary and sex trafficking is forced. Yet, the reality is that prostitution and sex trafficking are habitually co-dependent. In countries that prohibit trafficking but decriminalize the sex industry, prostitution, sex trafficking, the illegal sex sector and child prostitution all expand.

http://action.web.ca/home/catw/read...A_EX_Session=1a35a29989a8bcff778b5e34b4d354bd
 
Thank you, SSM. Can you please provide guidance regarding whether we should steer clear of overboard and/or Scientology theories -- and also whether there are links members shouldn't post? TIA!

SoSueMe said:
The Amy Bradley thread is now re-open for discussion.

Our verified member FindAmy will be taking a break from Websleuths. FindAmy has provided WS with a lot of good information and direction in this case.

FindAmy came to WS with stellar recommendations and we thank FA for their time and contributions. Members, please review and follow along the path FindAmy set forth in the preceding threads.

Although the information provided by FindAmy may be discusssed, please keep in mind that discussing other members on WS is a violation of our Terms of Service (TOS) and may not be discussed.

We see a lot of good sleuthing in this case and we're more than pleased that a lot of our members have chosen this case to follow, research and sleuth.

Please continue and thank you!
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Folks, again I'll ask you to steer clear of the Scientology angle. It was thoroughly investigated after Amy's disappearance and it was determined that Scientologyists had nothing to do with it.

If WS thought for one minute there would be something gained by going down this avenue, we'd cut you loose.
 
According to Iva someone on the ship 'saw Amy wanted Amy and took Amy' i.e. this all happened on the ship. I think we should keep open the possibility the plot originated in the U.S. before she got on the ship.

Hence her reluctance to take the ship which her family and others found strange (important that it is not just me or others sleuthers who find it strange.) Isn't it just possible she was afraid of someone or that she had had some uncanny experiences (say of seeing the same person or persons again and again or having her belongings messed with in some inconsequential way) that she couldn't share without sounding paranoid.

It is interesting to me how little we have heard about Amy before the boat trip we hear just the highlights scholarship etc. and then again just enough (her new dog etc.) to keep us from thinking she ran away. "All-American girl" pretty well shuts down the conversation it is just a stereo-type.

Just a thought experiment what changes if we think Amy was afraid to go on the trip due to some defined or undefined danger? In some photos she looks troubled. I know it is just a photo but if you can use a photo to say she looks happy you can use it to say she looks troubled.
 
Chorley8 said:
According to Iva someone on the ship 'saw Amy wanted Amy and took Amy' i.e. this all happened on the ship. I think we should keep open the possibility the plot originated in the U.S. before she got on the ship.

Hence her reluctance to take the ship which her family and others found strange (important that it is not just me or others sleuthers who find it strange.) Isn't it just possible she was afraid of someone or that she had had some uncanny experiences (say of seeing the same person or persons again and again or having her belongings messed with in some inconsequential way) that she couldn't share without sounding paranoid.

It is interesting to me how little we have heard about Amy before the boat trip we hear just the highlights scholarship etc. and then again just enough (her new dog etc.) to keep us from thinking she ran away. "All-American girl" pretty well shuts down the conversation it is just a stereo-type.

Just a thought experiment what changes if we think Amy was afraid to go on the trip due to some defined or undefined danger? In some photos she looks troubled. I know it is just a photo but if you can use a photo to say she looks happy you can use it to say she looks troubled.
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Yes, I understand where you are going and I have done that thought experiment a few times over the last few weeks (but only shared it with myself..lol).

So here are some of the ideas that came out of my thought process experiment (Amy's initial reluctance/excitement about going on the cruise):

1. Would a daily habit of any sort be interrupted while on the cruise

2. Hesitant to leave boyfriend for that period of time

3. Hesitancy to be on same ship with someone she perhaps knew from her father's work (Dad's work associates were going on the same cruise)

4. True fear of being on the ocean and out of sight of land

5. Did not want to leave her new apartment for that length of time

6. Fear of flying to reach the starting point of the cruise

If I remember any more, I will post them.
 
Chorley8 said:
According to Iva someone on the ship 'saw Amy wanted Amy and took Amy' i.e. this all happened on the ship. I think we should keep open the possibility the plot originated in the U.S. before she got on the ship.

Hence her reluctance to take the ship which her family and others found strange (important that it is not just me or others sleuthers who find it strange.) Isn't it just possible she was afraid of someone or that she had had some uncanny experiences (say of seeing the same person or persons again and again or having her belongings messed with in some inconsequential way) that she couldn't share without sounding paranoid.

It is interesting to me how little we have heard about Amy before the boat trip we hear just the highlights scholarship etc. and then again just enough (her new dog etc.) to keep us from thinking she ran away. "All-American girl" pretty well shuts down the conversation it is just a stereo-type.

Just a thought experiment what changes if we think Amy was afraid to go on the trip due to some defined or undefined danger? In some photos she looks troubled. I know it is just a photo but if you can use a photo to say she looks happy you can use it to say she looks troubled.
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New to this.
do you have a link to this, i would like to read it
 
Any age enhanced sketches available?
 
JaimeSommers said:
Thank you, SSM. Can you please provide guidance regarding whether we should steer clear of overboard and/or Scientology theories -- and also whether there are links members shouldn't post? TIA!
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I've just posted about the Scientology angle. We have no allegiance whatsoever to Scientology, but it isn't fair to a group to sleuth them if we can't tie them to a case. Although Amy was seen talking to Scientologists on the cruise ship and the Bradleys' were visited by Scientologists after Amy's disappearance, this is as far as their involvement went from what I understand about the investigation. My confirmation on this came directly from the Bradley family and I'm sure if they thought there was any connection whatsoever, they wouldn't have told me otherwise.

We've also asked that members don't pursue the "overboard" theory based on people seeing Amy on the ship after she was seen by her father on the balcony. There have also been credible sightings of Amy over the years since her disappearance, so the likihood that she went overboard isn't feasible.

We've also asked that our members not mention the possibility of children, regardless of their parentage. There is no confirmation that Amy has had any children and if she has, it should be obvious to everyone why we would not want that subject discussed. In addition, I notice the mention of children to some of the people we are sleuthing. If you use this information in your sleuthing, fine, please don't post about it here. WS has a policy across the board about mentioning children unless they are victims and/or accused of a crime.

I hope this clears up the sleuthing parameters for this case (subject to add more if needed).

As for links, we caution all of our members to be selective in the links you click on and websites you visit, especially in this case. Please make sure you have a strong firewall and pop-up blockers in place.

Please let me know if you have any further questions and thank you all for taking an interest in Amy's case. Now, let's bring her home!
 
Dushi said:
New to this.
do you have a link to this, i would like to read it
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She said it I think in the Vanished episode when she was being interviewed by Beth. It may be on Dr Phil's episode as well which covered Natalee and Amy. I don't have the link handy but it should be back a few pages, maybe more. Also, it could be on Amy's family's site. If I find it real quick, I'll post it for you...
 
If anyone knows a good site to look for historical cruise ship itineraries, cruise dates etc., that would be very helpful. TIA

Trying to find out the itinerary for this Holland America Cruise:

Volendam April 18, 2003
 
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