VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[coco36]

I think rather than risk or fuss with a cello case, these guys might have just had one of those square black and metal cases on wheels. The kind that could be used to contain speaker, sound boards, lights, drums etc. I'm sure similar cases exist for kitchen supplies as well.

 

[FindAmy]

ARGH! Cabrita's photo is showing as being attached, but it's not showing up on my phone. Can you see it on a computer?

No, I can't see it.

 

[JaimeSommers]

No, I can't see it.

I will fix all photos when I'm back in front of a computer. Right now it looks like my posts have links called "attachment" and a number -- when clicked, it will open a new page showing the photo.

It's exhausting trying to do this all by smartphone!

 

[FindAmy]

Going to need your help here, FA, because how/when everyone intersects confuses me a little bit.

**DRAFT**DRAFT**DRAFT**

II. The Photos

December 2002
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Photos believed by both the FBI and the Bradleys to be of Amy first appear on the Web site for Affordable Adult Vacations (AAV), a Venezuelan escort Web site owned by Georgios Alexandros "Alexis" "AlexisZ" Zaglanitis, a Canadian.

Zaglanitis (photo unavailable) first started a full-service adult travel agency called Caribbean Fantasy Tours in the mid-1980s.

2002-2004
Zaglanitis runs AAV with Thomas Wild (no photo) and Paul Baxter (photo below) from Leeds, England.
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2004
Zaglanitis, who would now be in his 70s/80s, has a heart attack and parts ways with Wild and Baxter, closing AAV. Wild launches the adult travel site My Wild Vacation with Michael Hooper (no photo). Baxter turns AAV into a travel site called Total Satisfaction.

Zaglanitis' mistress/wife, Lexxy (alleged photo below), takes over all business dealings with a new site called Alexis Club, still operating today (2012).
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2004-2005
The same photos of Amy appear on the Web site of the Villas las Morenas Resort in Playa el Agua on Margarita Island, owned by Paul Baxter.

2007-2008
At Baxter's request, a British documentary film crew arrives to film at the resort. They are run out of Venezuela by Chavez, but the finished documentary (titled My Boyfriend the Sex Tourist exists.

2012
Paul Baxter is registered as owner of the Oak Tree Pub in Bowburn, England.
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Great job Jaime. The only thing I can add is that somewhere between 2002 and 2005, they changed the name of the resort to Hibiscus Hotel.

 

[Fukiyama]

I like the media/timeline/links thread. My only suggestion would be adding explanations for all the pictures that don't have them. Visitors to WS probably aren't going to sift through two threads of material to find out for instance that Alister Douglas is the guy on the right in that picture of the band.

 

[FindAmy]

FindingAmy, in the last thread you asked about adultfriendfinder...or somebody did. I said adultfriendfinder is a requirement for some "date for a night" sites (in so many words). I wanted you to know I wasn't referring to back then when Amy disappeared, rather afterward when using the Internet wasn't as expensive as it was when we had to pay for our time by the minute. Back when Amy disappeared, I imagine newspapers & videos were used, posters/flyers were handed out to entice patrons to clubs/hotels. Has anyone in the Bradley camp tried contacting a Domme or Dom, which may actually have been more "underground" back in the 90's than escorts, therefore they may just know more secrets as they get the big bucks? Or maybe asked a traveling escort or two what the method of inquiry and payment was back then? Has anyone traced the cruise line with other ports of call, over a span of multiple years, to see if other women disappeared?

I'm going to look up that cached flyer again & see what I can come up with real fast. I'll just post whatever I find. I know you said to concentrate on the person that hosted Amy's pic and stay focussed but llc's that are shady get away with so much bc that's just it - they're an llc - they can start up & shut down on a whim, reopen within seconds under a different title, change hands etc...but all in it together as an operation. I think it might be interesting to pull every single legal escort online advertiser over various countries and compare the names of ownership. Closed operations and ongoing operations - they'll overlap somewhere. Since prostitution is legal in so many countries, one would think it wouldn't be that hard, but it is. It is bc of human trafficking and America is trying to make a dent in it, but we're getting nowhere and we're still a leader in the demand.

Maybe if we search under another language and a foreign ip address, that way it might not be flagged as American to the sites that may not want the American heat on them. I wanted to try that during Natalee Holloway's disappearance but I don't know how. Plus, I know numbers in several languages, some most used words as well, but I'm only fluent in English...so I wouldn't understand. Has anyone in the Bradley camp tried maybe a rented apartment in Curaçao or even Aruba for that matter, buy a computer and search in that language so it won't be blocked or reported as coming from an American's ip that may be linked to searching for missing persons? Idk, I'm probably going too deep on that thought... I guess what I'm getting at is this: has anyone tried to infiltrate some of these escort sites, or rather brothels?

This is an ongoing Federal investigation. There have been many direct connections to Curacao.

 

[JaimeSommers]

Great job Jaime. The only thing I can add is that somewhere between 2002 and 2005, they changed the name of the resort to Hibiscus Hotel.

Thank you! Will add that tomorrow, along with Part III: The Sightings.

 

[FindAmy]

Have been trying to construct one canonical source/timeline for "key players" that are frequently discussed here. FA, your knowledge is invaluable. I welcome any corrections/additions you'd like to see made. My goal is, when it's done and confirmed to be accurate, to post it on the timeline thread started by Salem. It may help new folks -- I know it will help me to keep important people, dates, and businesses straight!

Will share draft in next post ...

Have you been sent from Heaven?

 

[88keys]

I think rather than risk or fuss with a cello case, these guys might have just had one of those square black and metal cases on wheels. The kind that could be used to contain speaker, sound boards, lights, drums etc. I'm sure similar cases exist for kitchen supplies as well.

It is very unlikely that she could fit in a cello case. They're not really that big or wide. Plus, like you said, there are so many other, simpler things they could have put her in. Trunk, large cooler, laundry cart, sound equipment case....

 

[twinkiesmom]

On the former thread, Chateau Marmont asked why....I asked this myself....why would they post her picture or allow her to be spotted in public...

I've been thinking about this....The sightings allowed Royal Caribbean to not have to pay out over a wrongful death suit (JMHO).

I have heard very little in the press about the civil suits, but I remember reading the cruise line's defenders used these sightings to discredit Amy and her parents...basically that they knew where she was and she ditched them for this new life and was away by choice..don't believe this myself, of course...It sounded much like what Joran's defenders tried to do to Natalee's image.

But this could totally be why there have been sightings rather than letting everyone think she was dead...The family was fighting back, and they prevented the famliy from winning a civil suit that would have further funded the search for Amy.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

On the former thread, Chateau Marmont asked why....I asked this myself....why would they post her picture or allow her to be spotted in public...

I've been thinking about this....The sightings allowed Royal Caribbean to not have to pay out over a wrongful death suit (JMHO).

I have heard very little in the press about the civil suits, but I remember reading the cruise line's defenders used these sightings to discredit Amy and her parents...basically that they knew where she was and she ditched them for this new life and was away by choice..don't believe this myself, of course...It sounded much like what Joran's defenders tried to do to Natalee's image.

But this could totally be why there have been sightings rather than letting everyone think she was dead...The family was fighting back, and they prevented the famliy from winning a civil suit that would have further funded the search for Amy.

And it attempted to support the argument that she left of her own free will... Which nobody that's read into her case can actually believe, it just doesn't make sense. This is why I think the cruise line is dirty in this. Tourism brings the majority of the income to certain ports of call. Add sex into the mix and I can't even imagine how much more of a profit could be made... Huge industry this sex tourism...

 

[neesaki]

FindingAmy, in the last thread you asked about adultfriendfinder...or somebody did. I said adultfriendfinder is a requirement for some "date for a night" sites (in so many words). I wanted you to know I wasn't referring to back then when Amy disappeared, rather afterward when using the Internet wasn't as expensive as it was when we had to pay for our time by the minute. Back when Amy disappeared, I imagine newspapers & videos were used, posters/flyers were handed out to entice patrons to clubs/hotels. Has anyone in the Bradley camp tried contacting a Domme or Dom, which may actually have been more "underground" back in the 90's than escorts, therefore they may just know more secrets as they get the big bucks? Or maybe asked a traveling escort or two what the method of inquiry and payment was back then? Has anyone traced the cruise line with other ports of call, over a span of multiple years, to see if other women disappeared?

I'm going to look up that cached flyer again & see what I can come up with real fast. I'll just post whatever I find. I know you said to concentrate on the person that hosted Amy's pic and stay focussed but llc's that are shady get away with so much bc that's just it - they're an llc - they can start up & shut down on a whim, reopen within seconds under a different title, change hands etc...but all in it together as an operation. I think it might be interesting to pull every single legal escort online advertiser over various countries and compare the names of ownership. Closed operations and ongoing operations - they'll overlap somewhere. Since prostitution is legal in so many countries, one would think it wouldn't be that hard, but it is. It is bc of human trafficking and America is trying to make a dent in it, but we're getting nowhere and we're still a leader in the demand.

Maybe if we search under another language and a foreign ip address, that way it might not be flagged as American to the sites that may not want the American heat on them. I wanted to try that during Natalee Holloway's disappearance but I don't know how. Plus, I know numbers in several languages, some most used words as well, but I'm only fluent in English...so I wouldn't understand. Has anyone in the Bradley camp tried maybe a rented apartment in Curaçao or even Aruba for that matter, buy a computer and search in that language so it won't be blocked or reported as coming from an American's ip that may be linked to searching for missing persons? Idk, I'm probably going too deep on that thought... I guess what I'm getting at is this: has anyone tried to infiltrate some of these escort sites, or rather brothels?

I referred to Adultfriendfinder.com because there is even the slightest possibility that there could be a connection between those who took Amy and those who are involved with the disappearance of other missing women. I was specifically thinking of Robyn Gardner. The perpetrators are all involved in the same or similar type of crime, which is the sexual exploitation / abuse of women and very possibly kidnapping and trafficking.
Just a possibility that can't be eliminated, IMO . Call it hypothetical, call it theory, or just call it common sense deductive reasoning ..... It simply can' be disregarded or ignored unless there's evidence to prove otherwise. And so far there hasn't been any. JMO

 

[FindAmy]

On the former thread, Chateau Marmont asked why....I asked this myself....why would they post her picture or allow her to be spotted in public...

I've been thinking about this....The sightings allowed Royal Caribbean to not have to pay out over a wrongful death suit (JMHO).

I have heard very little in the press about the civil suits, but I remember reading the cruise line's defenders used these sightings to discredit Amy and her parents...basically that they knew where she was and she ditched them for this new life and was away by choice..don't believe this myself, of course...It sounded much like what Joran's defenders tried to do to Natalee's image.

But this could totally be why there have been sightings rather than letting everyone think she was dead...The family was fighting back, and they prevented the famliy from winning a civil suit that would have further funded the search for Amy.

That legal process was brutal and heartbreaking for the Bradleys. I can't even begin to tell you all of the dirty tricks Royal Caribbean played. You're right, because funds from that search could have been used to find Amy. The Bradleys have spent so much money, just like other families of missing love ones. The stress is just more than you can imagine. Royal Caribbean sent attorneys to the home of the Porto Marie witness in an attempt to intimidate him. They were throwing photographs on his kitchen table and telling him that he didn't see Alister Douglas with Amy.

 

[FindAmy]

I referred to Adultfriendfinder.com because there is even the slightest possibility that there could be a connection between those who took Amy and those who are involved with the disappearance of other missing women. I was specifically thinking of Robyn Gardner. The perpetrators are all involved in the same or similar type of crime, which is the sexual exploitation / abuse of women and very possibly kidnapping and trafficking.
Just a possibility that can't be eliminated, IMO . Call it hypothetical, call it theory, or just call it common sense deductive reasoning ..... It simply can' be disregarded or ignored unless there's evidence to prove otherwise. And so far there hasn't been any. JMO

I firmly believe that Robyn was kidnapped and sold. I think she's still alive and Giordano knows exactly where she is. I'm not convinced that she's with the group who has Amy, but she's out there.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

That legal process was brutal and heartbreaking for the Bradleys. I can't even begin to tell you all of the dirty tricks Royal Caribbean played. You're right, because funds from that search could have been used to find Amy. The Bradleys have spent so much money, just like other families of missing love ones. The stress is just more than you can imagine. Royal Caribbean sent attorneys to the home of the Porto Marie witness in an attempt to intimidate him. They were throwing photographs on his kitchen table and telling him that he didn't see Alister Douglas with Amy.

Which made me think of something else... Amy's pictures being thrown out there brought on much speculation, most notably the Bradley s themselves and an expert from Dr Phil - which all said they believed that could truly be Amy. By coming out & saying that, it would be hard to cash in on any insurance policy requiring death. Therefore, if they had life insurance on their daughter, they couldn't even fight to have her listed as deceased so they could collect & use that money to search for their daughter. I mean that's hypothetical of course as I have no idea if any such policy existed, but putting Amy's photos out there sure did nix alot of future money that could have been collected had she been declared deceased. They would have been able to sue for a lot had those photos not surfaced...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I firmly believe that Robyn was kidnapped and sold. I think she's still alive and Giordano knows exactly where she is. I'm not convinced that she's with the group who has Amy, but she's out there.

So do I. I'd like to add that I also think her do called boy friend rented her out to GG & GG ended up with the upper hand. Again, JB got involved. Sorry, too much of a coincidence for me. Robyn is another thread, though. There's a difference between her & Amy. I don't believe Amy was an escort, or even thought of being one, prior to her disappearance. While I feel for Robyn's plight, I'm not so sure she's miss innocent. No disrespect, just true feelings...

 

[FindAmy]

Which made me think of something else... Amy's pictures being thrown out there brought on much speculation, most notably the Bradley s themselves and an expert from Dr Phil - which all said they believed that could truly be Amy. By coming out & saying that, it would be hard to cash in on any insurance policy requiring death. Therefore, if they had life insurance on their daughter, they couldn't even fight to have her listed as deceased so they could collect & use that money to search for their daughter. I mean that's hypothetical of course as I have no idea if any such policy existed, but putting Amy's photos out there sure did nix alot of future money that could have been collected had she been declared deceased. They would have been able to sue for a lot had those photos not surfaced...

The Bradleys absolutely believe that their daughter is alive. They would not declare Amy dead.

 

[neesaki]

I. The Cruise Ship

Eduard Cabrita
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From Portugal, Cabrita was the head waiter on the Rhapsody of the Seas during the Bradley family cruise. He was overly attentive to Amy and wanted Amy to go with him to Carlos and Charlie's the night the ship docked in Aruba. (She declined because he made her uncomfortable.) On the morning of Amy's disappearance -- before anyone knew that Amy was missing -- Cabrita approached Amy's brother, Brad, and expressed how sorry he was to hear that his sister was missing.

Alister "Yellow" Douglas
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Musician on the ship, who Chris Fenwick's video captured dancing with Amy the night before her disappearance. Despite saying he didn't see Amy after 1:00 a.m. on the morning she disappeared, witnesses placed Douglas with Amy after 5:30 a.m. -- first on an elevator and then in the disco, where Amy was seen carrying a dark liquid beverage. Lie-detector tests for Douglas were inconclusive. He lives in Grenada.

It deeply troubles and concerns me that the FBI apparently completely discounted the witness accounts of seeing Yellow with Amy that morning, negating his claims that he hadn't seen Amy and his story that he'd gone to bed at 1:00a.m. Is there something I don't know, something I am not aware of, something I'm missing? Am I the only one who just doesn't get this? This man was the last person seen with Amy, and he lied about it. Or do witnesses just mean nothing anymore? :waitasec:

 

[HoneyWest]

Originally Posted by Tabs1
That's very interesting as in all the reports I've read, it's Alistair Douglas that is said to have had advance knowledge and who spoke to Brad - so the reports I've seen are wrong then? Just shows how much misinformation there is out there.

I'm not aware of any sources where it says that Alister Douglas spoke to Brad. I don't think Douglas spoke to anyone in the family that morning. He was claiming to be asleep in his room. It was Eduardo Cabrita who approached Brad, very early in the morning.

Tabs1 & FindAmy - I just happened to be listening to the "Vanished" program on youtube while reviewing posts and it is Brad who says that it was Alistair Douglas who approached him that morning. It's in part 2 at about 2:44 into the video.
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Hope my link works!

 

[HoneyWest]

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Maybe this will work...