VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[danzn16]

If Amy was trying to get to San Fran to get home how did she convince them to take her there? That wouldn't make any sense unless her captors knew when the Annual Trip was.

Thinking out loud here.......Could this have been set up BEFORE the cruise? Does anyone know if Amy had made contact with people via myspace or facebook about her upcoming cruise and start this in motion. The reason I ask this is I believe the intial plan was to take her in Aruba and that failed. I also recall something about Amy initially not being so excited about going. I haven't read all the threads from beginning to end, did Amy have a PC or Laptop? I know she has a facebook page now but in 1998 facebook wasn't "the" social network site, I believe myspace was. Has anyone looked at any of her "friends" to see if they were located out of the country?

Perhaps she was on Friendfinder and maybe THAT could be connection to AdultFriendFinder??

I too was wondering about how would Amy be able to get to San Fran even if she did know about the Annual Trip. The other theory I was thinking of was if the capturers knee about the Annual Trip and it was another attempt to "rub it in their face" that Amy is right here when you are and we still have her. Possibly? The verified insider said maybe the picture posted of Amy could be out of this spite, that Brad hearing Amy's voice on one of the islands during a search could have been a recording and that would have been out of spite also. So maybe this is another attempt at haunting the family further? If this is the case then I really think the kidnapping is of personal nature. To intentionally put even more harm and rub in the fact that you have kidnapped a person is a whole different level of evil. That is not a normal kidnapping for the sex trade, drug running, breeder, whatever the many theories are. That is personal. And for the capturers to know about the work related annual trip and also cruise was a won thing related to work that makes me think Ron's job may somehow be involved?? If this is in fact the case that is, which may be a long shot. Just thinking aloud.

 

[danzn16]

The 'cowboy boots' sighting was in Puerto Rico. My understanding is that the witness was *not* the taxi driver.

A taxi driver from Curacao did come forward claiming that Amy approached him asking for a phone, the morning that she went missing. I gather this sighting was not verified.

FINDAMY said the Puerto Rico sighting was discounted and she noted Amy would have been barefoot which the witness did not mention. However, perhaps her captor made Amy put shoes on if he knew he was going to be making her walk through the San Juan terminal at Puerto Rico, which is where the witness said he saw her being forced into a taxi.

I would think the 1st thing a kidnapper would do if their victim didn't have shoes and they had to take them around other people would be to give them shoes. Not having shoes in the streets will automatically make people look at you and notice you.

 

[danzn16]

Thanks for this link, Cltguy, something I haven't seen before.
http://25missingpersons.proboards.co...rint&thread=65
"...Amy's parents have looked at the photo, shown on "Dr. Phil," and other photos of this same woman and believe she bears a strong resemblance to Amy. "

Her mother pointed to facial markings, teeth, and cheek bones as similarities.


Re: whether or not the photo from the escort website is Amy and the difference in the appearance of her ears, I found this interesting. It is down the page a bit under the date November 18, 2005:

http://25missingpersons.proboards.co...rint&thread=65
"...Amy's parents have looked at the photo, shown on "Dr. Phil," and other photos of this same woman and believe she bears a strong resemblance to Amy. "

Her mother pointed to facial markings, teeth, and cheek bones as similarities.

The ear does not appear to be the same but it may be that hair covers the bottom right of the ear in the brothel photo. There is not enough resolution in the brothel picture to compare it to the known picture of Amy. Eye color would not be an acceptable comparison with no standard for the different sources of that color in the prints.

The human ear does not change. This fact has been used to identify WWII prison camp guards.

Thanks for this Neesaki! You're great! This could explain the narrower ear lobe that I am seeing and just can't get over.

 

[chicagofa13]

I posted a few times here when the thread was quiet. Wow, you all have really taken off! Great job and I hope some of your work generates leads. I've followed this case off and on since it happened and always wonder when Amy will be found.

 

[Bree0372]

Interesting, I was just lying awake thinking about this very topic a while ago, which is why I'm up doing this at 4:30 a.m. :tsktsk: My thoughts were along the line of, what better position for one to be in than an employee of a cruise ship, such as a Captain, if one were involved with the human trafficking trade. And who better to have access to anything on the ship, such as stealing Amy's photos. And to be over ship security, to be able to demand that the videos that Chris Fenwick took not show any shots of Amy. And of course, to make the decision to not lock down the ship, to not make an announcement over the intercom regarding her disappearance, to not search every nook and cranny of the ship thoroughly and completely, as they falsely claimed they did.

I have had the same thoughts. Someone, of power, on that boat had to know something. This was planned out too well.

style weekly lists the cabin as cabin No. 8564,

Rhapsody of the Seas stateroom 8564 is located on Deck 8. The cabin is located in the Aft section of the ship. Deck 8 is on deck #8 on Rhapsody of the Seas and there are 145 staterooms on the deck.

Question: Are there not cameras in the hallways? If so, I'm sure they miraculously didn't record or something.

Poor Amy...I wish I knew where she was.

 

[Bree0372]

I know that the "overboard" theory isn't to be given any weight because of the sightings afterwards, but I was thinking about the Style Weekly article. There's NO WAY she went overboard. The article states 3 things that tell me she didn't:

1. The railing was waist high on Amy (that makes it a little difficult to just "fall over");
2. Amy is afraid of heights (so am I and I know I would never go near the railing); and
3. Amy is a good swimmer, but is scared of swimming in the ocean (for fear of what's in the water, same as me).

I also wonder if she didn't tell AD that she would meet him somewhere at 0600 (or whatever time) and that's why she didn't go to sleep. He may have been overly friendly with her during the dance to get her to "like/trust him". Even smart girls let their guards down once in a while.

It's 1:30 here and I'm sitting here thinking about where she could be and why someone would take her. WHY HER? Over 2,900 people on the ship...WHY HER?

 

[Tabs1]

I know that the "overboard" theory isn't to be given any weight because of the sightings afterwards, but I was thinking about the Style Weekly article. There's NO WAY she went overboard. The article states 3 things that tell me she didn't:

1. The railing was waist high on Amy (that makes it a little difficult to just "fall over");
2. Amy is afraid of heights (so am I and I know I would never go near the railing); and
3. Amy is a good swimmer, but is scared of swimming in the ocean (for fear of what's in the water, same as me).

I also wonder if she didn't tell AD that she would meet him somewhere at 0600 (or whatever time) and that's why she didn't go to sleep. He may have been overly friendly with her during the dance to get her to "like/trust him". Even smart girls let their guards down once in a while.

It's 1:30 here and I'm sitting here thinking about where she could be and why someone would take her. WHY HER? Over 2,900 people on the ship...WHY HER?

There are several reasons why Amy may have been a target:

1 - she was young, attractive and even more than that, may simply have had the misfortune to be someone's preferred physical 'type'.

2 - it may not have been a planned abduction, but a crime of opportunity. i.e. could someone have seen her walking back from the early morning coffee with Alister Douglas, and grabbed her? I spoke to a friend who has been on a cruise recently and she told me that often she found herself walking alone down long, deserted corridors to get to her cabin...

3 - maybe there WERE more targets, not just Amy *but* a chance to grab Amy presented itself?

I think the fact that Amy did not bother going to bed, but rather stayed up, DOES really suggest that she planned to either meet someone or that she wanted to go and watch the ship dock.

 

[masootz]

i'm in line with bree and tabs1's comments above. i think whatever happened was a crime of opportunity. i don't think there's any doubt that amy left her cabin around 6:00am of her own free will. the question is why - to meet someone? to see the sun rise? to grab some coffee? we don't know. we do know that something happened to her once she left and, given the interest shown to her by members of the band and crew, it's logical to make the connection that they had something to do with it. however, we don't KNOW that, we're just guessing and frankly we're all guessing with about 20% of the information LE has.

heck, we don't even know what information we have since some of it contradicts with other stuff we think we know - for instance, the thing about her not wearing shoes. that's been mentioned a hundred times but now it appears that no one knows if she had shoes on or not. to the point that it was said the puerto rico witness was discounted because he didn't notice her feet - when we don't even know if she took shoes with her, much less whether someone would have put shoes on her.

sorry, i guess at this point i'm just venting. it's frustrating because each of us (posters, readers, lurkers) just want to see some thing in the evidence that hasn't been noticed before. some minutiae that was overlooked that could help solve this disappearance and yet we're mostly running around in circles because we don't even know what we know. /end rant

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I'm wondering about Internet use. Did Amy have a computer (pc, laptop or Mac) in her new apartment/home? Did Brad at GMU? Assuming the Bradleys have at least 1, I'm wondering if it was checked... Have all of the Internet yielding machines in the Bradley family had their hard drives checked and mirrored?

I'm wondering bc I just remembered I had an ICQ IM back then. It was moi popular before AOL IM was developed. I had my first child in 1994 & used ICQ before he was born. Has anyone done maybe a social media search to see which platforms were popular back then? What I'm wondering is if maybe Amy had any logins back then that she could have kept private, but maybe tried to access after her disappearance. I know it's a long shot, I'm just wondering... So, it does make me wonder if the Bradleys had all of the computer hard drives checked to see if there were any online accounts that maybe they didn't know about. I'm not certain when the term "social media" started as pertaining to having a friend list & sharing pics etc, but IM was around way before bigger sites became popular. vBulletin - which is the platform WS uses - was hugely popular in the 90's. Let me research this & see what I come up with real quick. Dies anyone think it's worth exploring?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

I see Alister Douglas looking back possibly at someone and waving his arm (could be that he's dancing), but I don't see any one walking by. I'm not seeing the other person. I have viewed this video numerous times. Will have to look again.

In the video, Amy is looking in the same direction as AD. It is her arm that is up. I only found this by doing that repetitive pause I was talking about. I'll get on a pc later & take screencaps in succession, maybe that will help us better, idk just trying... Did you happen to notice if that waiter was actually walking & hidden by that partition or if he was actually standing against the wall & decided to walk forward?

 

[smile22]

I'm wondering about Internet use. Did Amy have a computer (pc, laptop or Mac) in her new apartment/home? Did Brad at GMU? Assuming the Bradleys have at least 1, I'm wondering if it was checked... Have all of the Internet yielding machines in the Bradley family had their hard drives checked and mirrored?

I'm wondering bc I just remembered I had an ICQ IM back then. It was moi popular before AOL IM was developed. I had my first child in 1994 & used ICQ before he was born. Has anyone done maybe a social media search to see which platforms were popular back then? What I'm wondering is if maybe Amy had any logins back then that she could have kept private, but maybe tried to access after her disappearance. I know it's a long shot, I'm just wondering... So, it does make me wonder if the Bradleys had all of the computer hard drives checked to see if there were any online accounts that maybe they didn't know about. I'm not certain when the term "social media" started as pertaining to having a friend list & sharing pics etc, but IM was around way before bigger sites became popular. vBulletin - which is the platform WS uses - was hugely popular in the 90's. Let me research this & see what I come up with real quick. Dies anyone think it's worth exploring?

in 1998 i was going into my junior year of hs. i remember that aol was very popular back then and so were the aol chat rooms. I used to frequent one from my state and there were the same odd people. they even used to have "aol chat parties" this crazy welfare women who had all the problems in the world would host the party everyone would meet up at her place. she would cook ungodly amounts of meat and food it was crazy. i never went to those parties. the chat rooms were also a way of people connecting with each other it was the " free dating site" of the late 90s. people would enter the room go ASL(age sex location) and you would reply. the chat rooms were heavily populated until like mid 2000s. you could meet all kinds of characters in those rooms. i even met a few people for dates including my ex

 

[Cltguy49]

I haven't been able to review the videos but is there a chance the waiter/person in the background is the same waiter in the picture jamie lightened who is behind Amy and Brad?

 

[Wondergirl]

I'm wondering about Internet use. Did Amy have a computer (pc, laptop or Mac) in her new apartment/home? Did Brad at GMU? Assuming the Bradleys have at least 1, I'm wondering if it was checked... Have all of the Internet yielding machines in the Bradley family had their hard drives checked and mirrored?

I'm wondering bc I just remembered I had an ICQ IM back then. It was moi popular before AOL IM was developed. I had my first child in 1994 & used ICQ before he was born. Has anyone done maybe a social media search to see which platforms were popular back then? What I'm wondering is if maybe Amy had any logins back then that she could have kept private, but maybe tried to access after her disappearance. I know it's a long shot, I'm just wondering... So, it does make me wonder if the Bradleys had all of the computer hard drives checked to see if there were any online accounts that maybe they didn't know about. I'm not certain when the term "social media" started as pertaining to having a friend list & sharing pics etc, but IM was around way before bigger sites became popular. vBulletin - which is the platform WS uses - was hugely popular in the 90's. Let me research this & see what I come up with real quick. Dies anyone think it's worth exploring?

Great thought on the ICQ, I used that too, that was the very first "modern" online chat software that was popular, IMO.

Hopefully, the Bradleys have explored all possible username and passwords sure Amy. Computers were her thing, right? I am sure she wouls have been on it.

 

[Jersey*Girl]

The 'cowboy boots' sighting was in Puerto Rico. My understanding is that the witness was *not* the taxi driver.

A taxi driver from Curacao did come forward claiming that Amy approached him asking for a phone, the morning that she went missing. I gather this sighting was not verified.

FINDAMY said the Puerto Rico sighting was discounted and she noted Amy would have been barefoot which the witness did not mention. However, perhaps her captor made Amy put shoes on if he knew he was going to be making her walk through the San Juan terminal at Puerto Rico, which is where the witness said he saw her being forced into a taxi.

Nobody knows for a fact Amy was barefoot. Just bc she was barefoot on the ship? If anybody has ever been on a cruise - even way back in the 90's - they would know all about the many many many vendors & how crowded it is near the ports. The people selling their wares are abundant. It is incredibly easy to swipe a pair of flip flops from a street vendor in a hugely crowded area while going unnoticed. Amy might have been barefoot on the ship however it doesn't necessarily mean she'd have to be barefoot once she was on land.

Also, just bc the cabbie didn't notice if she was wearing something on her feet doesn't mean this sighting should be discounted. When I'm sitting in the driver's seat, I'm not looking at the feet of somebody coming up to me - I'm looking at their face. A quick example is this: My husband had a meeting right after football last night (he coaches) so I had to pick our son up. I said you're not getting in the car with those cleats on, put them in the trunk please. He says but mom I already took 'em off. I looked down & he was in his socks (which were filthy from walking to the car in the dirt btw - so I just couldn't stop smiling & told him to hop in! The point is I just assumed & didn't actually know bc it was his adorable little face I was looking at... I can see how a cabbie might not notice feet.

 

[Cltguy49]

Does anyone know, or have, amy's email address?

 

[Jersey*Girl]

in 1998 i was going into my junior year of hs. i remember that aol was very popular back then and so were the aol chat rooms. I used to frequent one from my state and there were the same odd people. they even used to have "aol chat parties" this crazy welfare women who had all the problems in the world would host the party everyone would meet up at her place. she would cook ungodly amounts of meat and food it was crazy. i never went to those parties. the chat rooms were also a way of people connecting with each other it was the " free dating site" of the late 90s. people would enter the room go ASL(age sex location) and you would reply. the chat rooms were heavily populated until like mid 2000s. you could meet all kinds of characters in those rooms. i even met a few people for dates including my ex

Great thought on the ICQ, I used that too, that was the very first "modern" online chat software that was popular, IMO.

Hopefully, the Bradleys have explored all possible username and passwords sure Amy. Computers were her thing, right? I am sure she wouls have been on it.

Glad to know I'm not nuts & misremembering stuff...

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Found this:

http://m.webdesignerdepot.com/2009/10/the-history-and-evolution-of-social-media/

 

[Jersey*Girl]

Man leaning against wall, then moves away from wall.

Thank you for this. That's what I was wondering! I should have finished catching up before posting...

 

[ChateauMarmont]

I find it odd my posts are overlooked ...

One would think the Bradley's filing a protection order against someone could possibly take this sleuthing on the proper course ...

Who did they want protection from ? Whoever they are -- the identities(y) may give us a better insight into the case.

And again , "Vanished" -- the woman quotes "they were talking about a deal." (iirc)

What kind of deal ?

 

[Cltguy49]

Trust me, I don't believe it's not being overlooked. I suspect there is some looking into this going on just not posting about it at this point because there isn't anything to post.

I too find it odd that they filed a protection order against someone I don't know how to get the complete transcripts but I'm still looking

I find it odd my posts are overlooked ...

One would think the Bradley's filing a protection order against someone could possibly take this sleuthing on the proper course ...

Who did they want protection from ? Whoever they are -- the identities(y) may give us a better insight into the case.

And again , "Vanished" -- the woman quotes "they were talking about a deal." (iirc)

What kind of deal ?