VA - Amy Bradley, 23, Petersburg, 24 March 1998 - #2 - ***READ FIRST POST***

[Dushi]

Extremely interesting episode of the Passionate Eye on CBC now for those Canadian posters

 

[88keys]

I am sorry, but none of this is making sense to me
1oo witnesses whittled down to three?

It is possible that RC found (or even paid) people to say they saw Amy alive and under no duress. I think the implication was that she left of her own free will, and that she is alive and freely living in the Caribbean. (I'm not saying that she is, but if RC was able to put that doubt in the court's mind, that might explain why the case was dismissed.)

I am starting to have doubts about this case as well.

 

[danzn16]

Beth Holloway Vanished program featuring the disappearance of Amy Bradley:

Brad's statement about who approached him the next morning about his sister starts at the 2:37 mark on the Part 2 Amy Bradley Vanished at this link:

Since Brad was on scene and is immediate family, I am going with his statement that it was Alister Douglas who approached him the next morning unless Iva/Ron/Brad refute that it was not Alister but rather one of the other waiters.

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I 100% agree. Brad would remember who said what to him IMO.

I also think the Vanished program is very good. Most of the program is information spoken directly from the family. I know the verified insider said it was a horrible program and there were many incorrect facts. I don't see these inconsistencies personally. It was a personal conversation. I surely wouldn't think Beth Holloway, someone that was went through the same thing, would twist the words and spread information intentionally.

 

[elepher50]

Iva Bradley, my wish is that we at WS can make a difference and assist with locating your daughter Amy. Amy has been missing way too long and needs to be found. I can actually hear the heartbreak in your voice and this is just not right and does not sit well.

Good thoughts going out to the Bradley family. Keep the faith and the hope that Amy will be found.

 

[helpful]

I also think the Vanished program is very good. Most of the program is information spoken directly from the family. I know the verified insider said it was a horrible program and there were many incorrect facts. I don't see these inconsistencies personally. It was a personal conversation. I surely wouldn't think Beth Holloway, someone that was went through the same thing, would twist the words and spread information intentionally.

Respectfully, I think Beth Holloway's heart is in the right place, but she is a truly dreadful interviewer. I believe it's possible that this is where the insider's discomfort arose - lack of interviewing skill leads to the muddying of the proverbial waters when it comes to recounting details of a traumatic event that happened nearly a decade and a half ago.

Again, no disrespect meant to Beth Holloway at all. I like her show. I just think she'd be more effective in a different role.

 

[danzn16]

Respectfully, I think Beth Holloway's heart is in the right place, but she is a truly dreadful interviewer. I believe it's possible that this is where the insider's discomfort arose - lack of interviewing skill leads to the muddying of the proverbial waters when it comes to recounting details of a traumatic event that happened nearly a decade and a half ago.

Again, no disrespect meant to Beth Holloway at all. I like her show. I just think she'd be more effective in a different role.

The insider said the show twisted words, gave wrong information (like brad saying it was yellow not the waiter that said "sorry about your sister" - except this was from brad's mouth I don't see how this is a mistake), and released info that shouldn't have been (discussion in Barbados bathroom sighting), and gave their own opinion of what happened to Amy (sold into sex trade) which insider said wasn't true. However the insider said she had never seen the program. ???

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[neesaki]

The insider said the show twisted words, gave wrong information (like brad saying it was yellow not the waiter that said "sorry about your sister" - except this was from brad's mouth I don't see how this is a mistake), and released info that shouldn't have been (discussion in Barbados bathroom sighting), and gave their own opinion of what happened to Amy (sold into sex trade) which insider said wasn't true. However the insider said she had never seen the program. ???

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I have to agree, the insider didn't seem that up to speed on what has been publicized on Amy's case. Also agree that the insider must have had some of their facts wrong or they were unable to corroborate them: for instance, concerning, Yellow versus the waiter.

Also, the excessive focus on Amy allegedly being shoeless and using this as a primary factor in eliminating a probable sighting is another problem for me, again, imo. I'm sure there are those that would disagree with me on that. But for me, there's something with this that just doesn't cohere, imo.

And, the opinion that Amy was not sold into the sex trade may be one of the most questionable contradictions, again in my opinion, as I just haven't seen anything to back up the assumption that it would be anything else. It just appears that the facts do nothing but point to the likelihood that Amy has been a victim of sex trafficking. I'm just basing this on all that we know and have learned thus far - that is, based on what little information we have as well as on my own gut instincts - which in the end is admittedly not much. JMO

 

[chicagofa13]

Can you link the thread, plz? Not finding it via Google (nor WS Search). TIA...

I would be very interested in reading this, if you can link it, TIA.

Possibly just referencing thread #1??

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4936"]Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

there are some posts back '11.

 

[chicagofa13]

This thread is still upstairs, maybe the mods could bring it down here??
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=183570&highlight=Amy+Bradley

 

[Tabs1]

Am totally bemused that the Bradleys cited 'wrongful death' in their suit against the cruise line.

Possibly it was simply a way of trying to get RC to be held accountable?

However, it does jar, given that there have been these apparent sightings of Amy through the years.



Re Alister Douglas commenting that he felt 'guilty' at Amy's disappearance: surely if he actually had done anything to harm her, he would not openly be making remarks like this???

If he actually was the guilty party, wouldn't he have kept his head down and not approached Brad at all?

Just my thoughts.

 

[~n/t~]

Iva Bradley, my wish is that we at WS can make a difference and assist with locating your daughter Amy. Amy has been missing way too long and needs to be found. I can actually hear the heartbreak in your voice and this is just not right and does not sit well.

Good thoughts going out to the Bradley family. Keep the faith and the hope that Amy will be found.

Iva is one of the reasons I don't put too much stock in the "running off" theory.

I can't imagine someone like Amy torturing her mother this way. Any one of us is moved and heartbroken when we see her parents speak. I guess Iva gets to me more because I'm a mom myself.

The only theory I would consider is if Amy was tricked into running off or someone lured her and she went willingly which resulted in devastating consequences.

Iva's emotions are real. I see pain, fear and loss.

 

[~n/t~]

Am totally bemused that the Bradleys cited 'wrongful death' in their suit against the cruise line.

Possibly it was simply a way of trying to get RC to be held accountable?

However, it does jar, given that there have been these apparent sightings of Amy through the years.



Re Alister Douglas commenting that he felt 'guilty' at Amy's disappearance: surely if he actually had done anything to harm her, he would not openly be making remarks like this???

If he actually was the guilty party, wouldn't he have kept his head down and not approached Brad at all?

Just my thoughts.

Many criminals insert themselves in a crime and not hide. Look at some of the cases we follow here. Perps even attend vigils and help search for the missing person.

That is not to say Y is guilty but he's definitely on my list of POI's.

As for the lawsuit, any one of us without knowing the laws would entrust our attorney to represent us as best they could. Unfortunately, it failed in this case for whatever reason.

 

[Tabs1]

Many criminals insert themselves in a crime and not hide. Look at some of the cases we follow here. Perps even attend vigils and help search for the missing person.

That is not to say Y is guilty but he's definitely on my list of POI's.

As for the lawsuit, any one of us without knowing the laws would entrust our attorney to represent us as best they could. Unfortunately, it failed in this case for whatever reason.

Good point

 

[~n/t~]

 

[~n/t~]

Amy FB page. Hadn't seen this one.

https://www.facebook.com/searchforamybradley?sk=wall

 

[Dushi]

Certainly see a similarity in the eyes, brows and cheek bones,IMO

Mouth looks different to me

 

[Wondergirl]

Archived Page 2 highlights
http://web.archive.org/web/20020107022832/http://richmond.com/output.cfm?ID=1668

The Bradleys checked into The Otra Banda, a rundown casino hotel on Curacao, late Tuesday afternoon. From the room, they contacted the U.S. Embassy and family members, whom they had been in touch with throughout the day, asking them to call authorities for help. (Mary Kristensen, Iva’s younger sister, recalls that Iva could only muster a pained squeak on the phone. Ron had to take over.)

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I find the following odd ... if someone can get a private jet to fly a family home , why would they not get a decent hotel room ? JMO this doesn't make sense

Cont. Page 3
http://web.archive.org/web/20021019090427/http://richmond.com/output.cfm?ID=1669


Uhm ...... something isn't adding up JMO. Getting off the boat with the company CEO ? Checking into a run down hotel ?

And flying off a leer jet ?

Uhm ...

Good question.

Why DID the Bradley's check into a rundown casino hotel so very soon after the disappearance?

Why The Otra Banda?

 

[Wondergirl]

Not to re-open the debate about the picture, just to bring forth some information that I have not seen regarding Iva's opinion of the picture, and a freckle that indicates the picture could indeed be Amy.

FWIW

DR. PHIL MCGRAW, TALK SHOW HOST:

They measure things that don‘t change in time. You can see that the cheek bones here that have some similarity. Now, look at her chin. And even her hair widow‘s peak, which doesn‘t change, and if you look at it, it is dramatically similar.
OK? Then, Iva, you noticed that there‘s a freckle just on the side of her nose, just below her eye. And that appears to be a mark that is also on the person to the left.
(END VIDEO CLIP)

COSBY: You know, Ron and Iva, if you can respond to what Dr. Phil is saying?

I. BRADLEY:

Well, she wants to know how you felt about the program with Dr. Phil and what he said about the resemblance of the picture.


R. BRADLEY: I thought the picture that was displayed was a great possibility, it could be Amy. We‘re not saying that it is. But, if there‘s any possibility at all that it could be Amy, we‘re going to do everything we can to try to find her. And the resemblances are pretty spooky.

COSBY: Yes they are, they‘re striking. You know, Iva, where and when was this new picture taken? What‘s the background on this picture, Iva?


I. BRADLEY: Well, I had received the picture via an e-mail of a Web site. The person remains nameless. When I got the e-mail and we opened it up, we took a look at the pictures and we saw some resemblance, but we didn‘t initially think, you know, it could be Amy.
And then, after taking a stronger look at the picture and blowing the picture up, taking an artist‘s view and turning the picture upside down, removing the hair and taking a look at the structure and the contour of the face, and the hairline, and the eyes, the nose, the freckle, the mouth, especially, the chin, and the cheek.
Once you blow that up and you take a look at it very closely, it‘s a tremendous amount of resemblance to our Amy.

COSBY: Yes, there does look like there‘s a lot of similarities. I want to bring in—stay with us, if you could, Iva.
I want to bring in Natalee Holloway‘s mom, Beth Holloway Twitty.
You know Beth, do you think it‘s more than coincidence that Amy goes missing, just a few miles away from where Natalee went missing?

TWITTY: Oh gosh, I think their similarities are so striking. What concerns me is the Bradleys just left the dock in Aruba.
I think that what we were trying to decide, if some individuals that had been related to Carlos and Charlies, whether band members had come over to the island of Curacao. And, you know, it just really is just eerie how similar these disappearances are.

COSBY: You know, Beth, it‘s been seven years. And as you hear from the Bradley family, they have not given up hope. Pretty incredible, right, Beth?

TWITTY: Oh, absolutely. It just kills me to meet Iva and Ron Bradley. They‘re wonderful people and I just—it just kills me to see that we‘re all in the same shoes. It‘s just heart wrenching.


COSBY: You know, Iva, as you look at Beth there on the other side of the screen, this mother who clearly loves her daughter just as much as you love Amy, what would you like to say to her tonight?

I. BRADLEY: Well, we were fortunate enough to meet when we did the other show together. When Beth and I met, we locked eyes and there weren‘t any words necessary.

COSBY: Yes. Beth, what would you like to say to Iva tonight?

TWITTY: You know, I think that Iva and Ron Bradley and I, we‘re in this together. And I think that, you know, we just have to keep being voices for our daughters. And also, it just sends a clear message to other families that, right now, it is just not safe traveling to these islands for our young children.
And until changes—changes need to be made. And I think the Bradleys had just as many barriers and road blocks and difficulties as we have in searching for Natalee.

COSBY: You know, Iva, did you find you were dealing with so many hurdles and questionable law enforcement as well, Iva? In your case?

I. BRADLEY: Oh, it‘s unbelievable, Rita. The attitude, the lackadaisical attitude of the authorities that we dealt with, the don‘t care attitude.
And the thing that‘s startling to us is, we are used to law enforcement here in the United States, and the law is the law, and right is right, and wrong is wrong.

We never felt that when we were dealing with anybody on the island.

We‘re concerned for anybody that‘s travelling outside of the U.S. to understand that when you do travel outside, there is not jurisdiction, and you‘re placing your life in somebody else‘s hands.

COSBY: OK, Iva, real quick, as time goes by, I‘m sure it‘s tough.


I. BRADLEY: It‘s incredibly tough, however, we know where we were when Amy disappeared. We‘ve had two solid eyewitness sightings. We‘ve had a diver that saw Amy on a beach being controlled by two men. We saw a Navy man in a brothel. Not the brothel that Ty speaks about, but over on the other side of the island in a hole in a wall.
And so, we‘ve had those—that individual was interviewed and polygraphed by the FBI and h

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10140601/#.UGBjp7JlTEc

 

[neesaki]

Good question.

Why DID the Bradley's check into a rundown casino hotel so very soon after the disappearance?

Why The Otra Banda?

I'm thinking the Bradley's may have chosen that particular hotel because they had learned that it was a "brothel type" hotel. Maybe they were hoping to find Amy, or at least a clue to her disappearance there.

Originally posted by FindAmy 07-27-2012:

The brothel where Amy was seen was actually an old hotel located in the Otrobanda section of Willemstad. Otrobanda is the historic area of the city and the location where tourists go. It's not far from the cruise terminal. The old hotel had once been a very distinguished Curacao hotel, but it was old. It had been known under various names. It had never been identified as a brothel, as such. It was a hotel where prostitution was known to be available. Prostitution is legal in Curacao and prostitutes are connected to many of the hotels.

The Chief Petty Officer did not report that he had seen Amy in the hotel. The hotel was off limits to Navy personnel because of it's bad reputation. The man was also married at the time. Amy pleaded with him for help and she gave him her name. He didn't realize who she was until he later saw her photograph on the cover of a magazine. At that point, he was divorced and retired from the Navy. He came forward with the information. His information has been verified and he has met with the Bradleys. He has declined all interviews.

The Chief Petty Officer saw Amy in January of 1999. The old hotel burned to the ground in May of 2000. There is nothing left of the hotel. There is an empty and overgrown lot where the hotel once stood.
http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8199486&postcount=185

 

[masootz]

Can you link the thread, plz? Not finding it via Google (nor WS Search). TIA...

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4936&page=4