VA - Anjelica "AJ" Hadsell, 18, Norfolk, 3 March 2015 #16

[SavvyRose]

If she had her phone unlocked when someone else got ahold of it, they could just take off the password settings, I would think.

You can't unless you know the old passcode.
We don't even know her phone type or if it was locked though . My husband never locks his.
I have mine set to auto lock. I don't want anyone finding my phone and seeing all my criminal searches. Lol

 

[MsMarple]

As hard as I try, I cannot clear WH at this time. I am admittedly stubborn, so it may be a character flaw that I cannot do so. But there are a few things he has done that make me zero in on him.

Obviously, there is his past. Enough said but it does have some weight.

Also, one tiny indication, that still sways me in his direction was his use of the term, ' when she departed my presence.' I felt the hairs on the back of my neck stand up when he said that. And it is just one of several very odd things in his word salad ramblings.

Also, the way he backtracked on the timeline, and added in his awkward lunchtime meetup with the deceased. I don't think he had told JH about that meeting at first. I think he kept it a secret from her. She would not have given the 7 am time if he had shared that with her, imo. At some point he decided to reveal that to the public and to LE. WHY?

If it was true that they met up at a gas station for a money exchange, why not just say so upfront? Why the initial 7 am 'last seen' timeline?

The thing is, apparently, LE cannot verify that the meet-up ever happened. And I bet they tried hard to verify it. I am sure they wanted to have some footage of her that day. So if she was at a gas station at lunchtime, then imo, LE would have been able to find some footage from some nearby cameras or statements from some workers or customers to verify it. That red truck would have shown up on some cams somewhere nearby since they had the exact time according to WH. But they said they had nothing to verify it at all. :waitasec:

So if it did not happen, but WH felt the need to say it did, even though it altered the original timeline---WHY did he do that. I cannot come up with a reason that an innocent man would do so. Why lie about the last time you saw your missing daughter if you are innocent?

All good points. The way I see it, sleuthing a more generic perp lets us come up with ideas beyond WH's word salad lies and take a closer look at what he's been trying to direct us away from. He's got our heads all foggy. I want to start looking at little details more. And mom2six is tracking our thoughts in an easy, uncomplicated way so it's kind of like taking a break from WH land.

If we find as we go through this process that all roads lead to WH then we've found a suspect based on reasoning. And if it leads elsewhere then we've cleared an innocent... er, not quite as guilty person. Speaking only for myself I've been having trouble seeing the forest for the trees these past few days and need a new way of gathering clues. I'm still verrry suspicious of WH so thinking "perp" in my mind instead of "WH" helps me to be a bit more objective.
MOO

 

[Fortbold]

I have read every single thread so I don't think I've missed this but if I have apologies.

I'm a serial phone loser. And on the occasions I have lost my phone and a honest citizen has picked it up, they've looked for 'mum' in my contacts and texted her to say they've found my phone (I'm making myself look bad here this has happened twice maybe :blushing: so if this was a random stranger texting from AJ's phone to JH in the early hours (I forget the exact time) then yes they'd work out who to send that to pretty easily.

So my question is, when AJ supposedly sent that text to her sister saying she was with friends, was that a random text out of the blue, or was it a reply to her sister texting her wondering where she was?

Sorry if it's already been discussed, I've not seen it. A random stranger would not be able to work out who my brother was, or if he cared about my whereabouts at that specific time, solely by looking at my phone.

Got it! I just wanted to be sure I had not missed anything - these threads move fast. I have always assumed the texts sent were replies, but I'd have to look back at earlier threads to check. As I said, I don't think it's a stranger at all…I just can't eliminate the possibility based on what we know, or what we think we know. I think LE knows who did this...and soon enough, they'll tell us

 

[hey-Debbie]

Did any of you see the little interview that WTRK news 3 did with AJ's bio dad today at 4pm news?

 

[Gemmas]

I suppose my slight diversion from the obvious did coincide with the obituary. The inclusion and exclusion of certain people is either insensitive/vindictive and full of belief/denial/defiance. Maybe a pick and mix of the lot. I got the impression in recent days people were distancing themselves from WH. The obituary indicates the key players are still firmly team Wes. But I would assume/hope the people closest to AJ would be more informed than us here at WS? If so, do they suspect someone else, or is this really a case of standing by.......your WH? Sorry not sure I am making sense anymore!

 

[Fortbold]

I think AJ's sister texted first - maybe Zach told us? But your comment also makes me wonder if AJ had a lock code on her phone. Would that be something a young person who lived in a dorm would do to protect her privacy?

If that's the case, I could only consider a psychic stranger at this point - hahaha! Thanks so much for clearing that up - I had assumed her texts were replies!

 

[Phoebeb]

Hi Alice, Just wondering if you think WH was part of the facebook effort to find AJ and if he was in contact with his wife before the flyers and info went out that AJ was last seen at 7:00 a.m. Monday morning.

 

[katydid23]

If you all go back to threads 1, 2 & 3 and re-read, you will see the errors in reading comprehension, transcriptions and understanding of social media, IMO.

There is a huge difference between the times (and days) she was last SEEN, when she was last heard from (i.e., text, social media status updates, etc.) and when she was reported missing. WH can't be faulted for the readers', viewers', and listeners' inability to differentiate between these three completely different times.

I don't have a "suspect." As far as I am aware, the last time anyone had contact with AJ or her cell phone would be the early morning hours of Tuesday. At that time of the morning, she was likely partying.

The text or whatever it was that said "With friends" may indicate a social media status update or an auto-reply, I don't know. I am sure that in retrospect, the family (much like you wonderful sleuthers) re-examined every single instant of the preceding week, trying to make heads or tails out of it. They knew AJ wasn't the type to run away, but they were DESPERATE to find THEIR DAUGHTER, niece, friend, granddaughter. I believe they (and LE) also knew WH didn't do it and JH didn't do it.

I can't tell you how many times I have read on these threads that "it's obvious they are reading here." Well, duh. They were looking for something, anything to hang their hope that she was alive on.

A specific shout-out to Ontario Mom. I think your intent is good but you don't seem to understand the difference between what the admin(s) of the FindAJ FB page are actually posting themselves and what other people reply or post to them.

Your words (and mine) have the power to destroy real lives, rupture real life relationships, and sow distrust and misery among people who are already traumatized by crime.


FYI - don't give the family grief over the ComeFundMe account. is an online for-profit corporation that uses algorithms that search the web for key phrases in news headlines and press releases and throws blurbs up on their website. If it's something that catches on, gets a cut. If it doesn't, it's no skin off 's back. It is 99% automated by programmers.

Peace, friends.

JMO

You seem to be ignoring key problems with the timeline. And it is not because of reading comprehension issues with WS members. It is specifically because of Wes changing his story. FACT. Originally the family said she was last SEEN around 7 am. Later on, that timeline changed, when WH said he met her at lunchtime.

And why do you say that AJ was likely 'partying' in the early morning hours of Tuesday? Any evidence of that or a link?

And NO, that text saying 'with friends' was NOT an auto update, although a defense attorney might try that as an excuse.

Why do you say that LE knows that WH didnt do it? Apparently they interrogated him for 15 hours and accused him of doing so. Why would they do so if they thought he is innocent?

 

[pittie_mcclure]

Did any of you see the little interview that WTRK news 3 did with AJ's bio dad today at 4pm news?

Did you catch it? I can't find a link to it on the website.

 

[Fortbold]

All good points. The way I see it, sleuthing a more generic perp lets us come up with ideas beyond WH's word salad lies and take a closer look at what he's been trying to direct us away from. He's got our heads all foggy. I want to start looking at little details more. And mom2six is tracking our thoughts in an easy, uncomplicated way so it's kind of like taking a break from WH land.

If we find as we go through this process that all roads lead to WH then we've found a suspect based on reasoning. And if it leads elsewhere then we've cleared an innocent... er, not quite as guilty person. Speaking only for myself I've been having trouble seeing the forest for the trees these past few days and need a new way of gathering clues. I'm still verrry suspicious of WH so thinking "perp" in my mind instead of "WH" helps me to be a bit more objective.
MOO

Exactly! I'm not trying to advance the "stranger" scenario, I was just trying to play the "alternate suspect" game that was suggested earlier. I'm biased toward my "pet suspect" - pretty sure many others are, too. I just wanted to play the game!

 

[Fortbold]

Maybe if it was a stranger to AJ but not to WH...and WH thought he needed to cover for the relationship with said 'stranger.' But that's a reach. A thought experiment. So far, out of the criteria we've amassed, WH is still king of the mountain...of suspicious circumstantial evidence.

Wow, that plot line could be a Lifetime movie!

 

[Lilibet]

Repeating to myself...Do not bite the bait, do not bite the bait, do not bite the bait. Scroll and roll, scroll and roll, scroll and roll, scroll and roll.

ETA: There is a big difference between a "shout out" (compliment) to someone and "calling them out" (criticism). Using the wrong phrase doesn't change the intent IMO and it violates TOS.

Scroll and roll, scroll and roll, scroll and roll...

 

[katydid23]

If that's the case, I could only consider a psychic stranger at this point - hahaha! Thanks so much for clearing that up - I had assumed her texts were replies!

I think Zach said that 'her' texts were replies. He said his daughter texted AJ and she replied thast she was 'with friends.' :thumbsup:

 

[gator3]

Don't know how to do multiple quotes but I know my HS kid does not use a passcode on the phone.. Used to with old phone but doesn't on this phone. So might just depend on the kid. Me personally I have a code on my phone.

Things that make you go hmmmm.. great catch. So it was either AJ or somebody who knew her passcode. My husband and close friends are free to know my passcode.. Although with newer iPhones you can set it up to be your fingerprint. But still, if it wasn't AJ texting that really narrows it down huh?

 

[Fortbold]

True, but in a random home invasion type of killing, ALMOST ALWAYS, the body is left in the home or dumped close by, with little attempt to hide it. And there would have been no texts to sister saying she was with friends etc.

Yes, ALMOST always…I can tell you of cases where it happened, however. I get sick to my stomach just thinking about those cases - they were too close to home.

I had assumed the texts were replies, not initiated. Someone else helped clarify that the text to her sister was initiated. (You can read my responses to others about that). As I've said already, I was just trying to play the "alternate suspect" game. In real life, my prime suspect is already behind bars!

 

[MsMarple]

Did any of you see the little interview that WTRK news 3 did with AJ's bio dad today at 4pm news?

Not yet, but I went to look and saw an updated article. Read the last sentence and follow the link. Well, actually if anyone here is on blood pressure meds then don't...

http://wtkr.com/2015/04/09/human-re...-county-confirmed-to-be-missing-norfolk-teen/

 

[Ontario Mom]

Repeating to myself...Do not bite the bait, do not bite the bait, do not bite the bait. Scroll and roll, scroll and roll, scroll and roll, scroll and roll.

ETA: There is a big difference between a "shout out" (compliment) to someone and "calling them out" (criticism). Using the wrong phrase doesn't change the intent IMO and it violates TOS.

Scroll and roll, scroll and roll, scroll and roll...

Didn't even call out the correct Mom I've since deleted my comment as scroll & roll is the smarter move.

 

[SeeAlice]

Phoebeb, my reply button keeps multi-quoting so I can't reply to your post. Yes, I think it's probable that AJ's friends &/or family were involved with the FB page, but I don't know it for a fact.

I understand they wanted her friends on social media to "tag" #BringAJHome, which I completely understand. If my child (or friend) were missing, I would want the whole world to make it trend & help me get some answers, too. (Good example of careful what you wish for, I guess?)

JMO

 

[NJJohn]

Why do you say that LE knows that WH didnt do it? Apparently they interrogated him for 15 hours and accused him of doing so. Why would they do so if they thought he is innocent?

Yeah, every single aspect of this investigation from a LE perspective has been screaming that he's the guy they are looking at, from the 15 hour interrogation to the slow release of info (especially to his family who had to publicly complain that they were kept in the dark) to the lack of general searches until they went directly to the house where the body was to the questioning of neighbors in Carrsville of whether they had seen his work van there to denying bond altogether for (relatively) minor charges as if he were already booked for murder 1. To me, based on the actions of LE, it seems like they know he's the guy and an arrest for murder seems imminent, but we shall see, I guess. It'll be interesting to eventually see what they have that's not public.

 

[Fortbold]

Don't know how to do multiple quotes but I know my HS kid does not use a passcode on the phone.. Used to with old phone but doesn't on this phone. So might just depend on the kid. Me personally I have a code on my phone.

I'm always surprised at how many people don't use the passcode feature. I require my employees to use one on their work cell phones, but I have met resistance on that from some.