VA - Couple & two teens found murdered, Farmville, 15 Sept 2009 #5

[southernvagirl]

I tried to bring this up earlier but no one really bit on the discussion. Regarding what Sam told the cabbie, the cabbie said something different on the news interview than what had been reported in print (and, what we've taken as a confession of sorts). This either means: 1. the original quote from the newspaper is wrong or 2. the cabbie is an unreliable witness.

I am not sure what you are referring to, but I think when Sam was with the cabbie, based on what the cabbie said was a total relaxed conversation, I think SM spoke truth in some of their conversations...He just didn't elaborate with the truth...for obvious reasons....I am greatly troubled how someone can be soooooo calm after experiencing such lack of humanity.

 

[AndresEscobar]

Guys, all the way up until the moment you decide, one way or the other, you have two possible ways to decide. After that, in any amount of time, you might do what you decided to do, or you might not do it, even if you'd decided to. (For a variety of reasons.)

A split-second decision is one in which the circumstances of the decision come about in a moment's time. You can't make a split-second decision about something where the pieces of the arguments were in place for a while. (I'm mad and want to kill them--should I or should I not?) You can make a sudden decision then, but not a "split-second decision." The latter has a special meaning where the elements have to come together in a "split-second."


--idle linguist on a thanksgiving day (i think we should rename this holiday "Most Boring Day of the Year" I mean, really.)

Regardless of the issue of my specific syntax, my point is still valid.

 

[southernvagirl]

Welcome, SoVa!

We don't mind at all if you want to rehash anything we've hashed already. New perspectives welcomed and encouraged.

Have a great day, yourself. --tapu

Do you have a link with the discussions about the search warrants,,please?

 

[dangrsmind]

This reminds me of a question that was aked to me when I was in elementary school by a teacher.

If a man shoots a bullet from 100ft at a tree and every second it moves halfway closer to the tree...how long does it take the bullet to get to the tree.

I think you are talking about one of Zeno's Paradoxes here, but you don't quite have the description of the paradox right...

 

[AndresEscobar]

I am not sure what you are referring to, but I think when Sam was with the cabbie, based on what the cabbie said was a total relaxed conversation, I think SM spoke truth in some of their conversations...He just didn't elaborate with the truth...for obvious reasons....I am greatly troubled how someone can be soooooo calm after experiencing such lack of humanity.

There's a video of a 5 part interview with the cabbie. The link is floating around in this thread somewhere. He explains the circumstances under which Sam claimed he left. Everything I'd seen before said, "Sam sad he had waited for the girls to fall asleep, and then left". But that's not what the cabbie says in the interview.

There are also several differences between what "we know" and what the Cab driver says, ranging from the Strictly for the Wicked concert being in IL and Sam claiming to be a rap producer, to a few other things. Worth watching, because it calls into question some of the things we know that we know, and some of the things that we know that we don't know (to channel Donnie Rumsfeld for a moment).

 

[AndresEscobar]

Do you have a link with the discussions about the search warrants,,please?

They came out towards the beginning of the month, so they're probably in #3 or #4.

I'd get you a link but I'm bad at 'puters.

 

[dangrsmind]

Do you have a link with the discussions about the search warrants,,please?

Starts about here: Four People Murdered in VA College Town #4 - Page 5 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[dangrsmind]

There's a video of a 5 part interview with the cabbie. The link is floating around in this thread somewhere. He explains the circumstances under which Sam claimed he left. Everything I'd seen before said, "Sam sad he had waited for the girls to fall asleep, and then left". But that's not what the cabbie says in the interview.

There are also several differences between what "we know" and what the Cab driver says, ranging from the Strictly for the Wicked concert being in IL and Sam claiming to be a rap producer, to a few other things. Worth watching, because it calls into question some of the things we know that we know, and some of the things that we know that we don't know (to channel Donnie Rumsfeld for a moment).

So since you bring up Rumsfeld's famous (and accurate IMO ) quotation, I'll just add that there are a lot on "unknown unknowns" in this case I expect. That is there are things we don't even know that we don't know yet. Not all of the facts known to the police about the scene and the condition of the bodies have been released for example.

 

[AndresEscobar]

So since you bring up Rumsfeld's famous (and accurate IMO ) quotation, I'll just add that there are a lot on "unknown unknowns" in this case I expect. That is there are things we don't even know that we don't know yet. Not all of the facts known to the police about the scene and the condition of the bodies have been released for example.

I agree, and feel the unknown unknowns will be the most telling.

Also, until I know the whole story I'm not going to profess my beliefs about Sam.

 

[ericclimbs]

I also have children. 2 girls both under the age of 5. I can agree with you when you say that when you become a parent, it changes the way you feel for all children. I couldn't imagine how I would survive with losing one of my girls. I feel truly sorry for Mels parents having to go through this. I sit back and wonder, if something like this happened to one of my kids, if I would be able to forgive their killer and try to help him down the right path the way I am trying to do for Sam and I honestly just don't know if I could.

I am not a parent but appreciate all the comments here by those of you with kids. Regarding the nearly unbreakable bond between parent and child, come what may, is a very honest book by Lionel Dahmer on his infamous son, Jeff. I highly recommend:

Amazon.com: A Father's Story: One Man's Anguish at Confronting the Evil in His Son (9780751513103): Lionel Dahmer: Books

All profits from this book were given to victims' families. He wrote this book not to make money but to offer his tormented insight.

 

[ericclimbs]

Football... that's the one where the ball has those little pointy tips?

Yep. And it bounces around all funny like. I LOVE football! Hope everyone is enjoying the day!

 

[dangrsmind]

Yep. And it bounces around all funny like. I LOVE football! Hope everyone is enjoying the day!

Here's some things even a linguist can love...

It's called football, but you hold the ball in your hands.

During the "kick off" you have to keep the ball "on" the field.

There's a quarterback, half back, and full back but no three quarters back.

Any explanation of a penalty given on the air by a referee. Was that glossolalia or Finnish?

A safety does not involve performing the Safety Dance.

I am sure I can think of some other oddities for you as the day progresses.

PS Just consider it an excuse to start drinking at 10AM.

 

[PAXIMUS]

His handwriting looks like a 10 year old's.

I was thinking that also. Its obvious he hasnt been well educated and he also probably never did much writing with PEN AND PAPER since he likely grew up with computers.


When I was a kid we actually had a class called PENMANSHIP, I am sure some of you older folks remember that, we actually had to learn how to write the alphabet properly with paper and pencil, I doubt the last few generations of kids spent much time on that in school.

 

[PAXIMUS]

I saw Lizette's comment a few days ago and chose not to mention it here. I felt bringing up something that clearly referred a poster here might seem to call for either a denial or an admission of some sort regarding what Lizette wrote. Actually, I couldn't care less whether it were true or not and would prefer and advise that the accused not comment on it all. But, since it's out there now, I'll say that when I saw that post, I couldn't help but think that a "satanist" who calls someone a "*advertiser censored*" as an insult loses some serious street cred. Lizette comes off as more of an uptight church lady than anything else with that.

Revelation 17

1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great *advertiser censored* that sitteth upon many waters: 2 With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. 3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: 5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.

Well said man and I agree this was the first thing that came to mind when I read it also, its very rich and ironic, her comments to piXy!


Who cares what piXy did at the concert or who she slept with, thats her business and she certainly hasnt done anything I havent done. What I would do to be in my 20s again!

Raz should be ashamed of herself airing people's business like that, piXy has done no such thing to THEM that I have seen!

We seem to have a lot in common, PAX.

Indeed we do, youre doing honorable work and I am proud to know you bro!

I also have children. 2 girls both under the age of 5. I can agree with you when you say that when you become a parent, it changes the way you feel for all children. I couldn't imagine how I would survive with losing one of my girls. I feel truly sorry for Mels parents having to go through this. I sit back and wonder, if something like this happened to one of my kids, if I would be able to forgive their killer and try to help him down the right path the way I am trying to do for Sam and I honestly just don't know if I could.

Rock on I agree!

Forgiving people, especially those that don't really deserve it, is one of the hardest things that anyone will ever do. Contrary to the popular wisdom it often requires both courage and bravery to forgive someone. But forgiveness is also freedom, don't forget that.

This. As usual you have nailed it on the head.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to everyone,btw.......I have been following the Shaniya Davis case since day 1 and of course, Caylee, Haleigh etc...I have not been following this case, even though it happened down the road a piece from me,,,because it scares me....When I read the search warrants last night, i WAS AFRAID i WOULD HAVE NIGHTMARES, so I stayed up almost all night...From the SW I gather this crime took place in several rooms, and when he told the cabbie, he waited for Emma to go to sleep before he left,,I think he meant he bashed all 3 of them after they went to sleep. I guess based on your reply, this is old already hashed stuff, but I couldnt find the earlier threads,,,So hopefully I can get up to speed with the rest of the FINE crew disgussing this case.....I would like to add, there is a link on here posted several times,,,and I had to learn the hardway,,not to open.Every time I did, I would almost fall off the bed it scared me so much...So now my pc is turned way down low, so I wont have a heart attack when I open a link.....Any way, I will stick around for a while, but please know,,,there are so many wonderful, thoughtfull, inciteful, true honest to goodness human beings here, I am proud to be in their company, as well as you, too.

Happy Turkey Day to you ALL!

Yep. And it bounces around all funny like. I LOVE football! Hope everyone is enjoying the day!

Love me some football but I am forever a brokenhearted JETS FAN! (Namath).

However I am rooting for Bret Favre this year, go VIKINGS!

 

[dangrsmind]

Gobble gobble.

 

[PAXIMUS]

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Gobble gobble.

Im stuffed man! I hope you all had a great holiday, we sure did and now we are off to play some flag football with the kiddies. See you soon!

 

[tapu]

I was thinking that also. Its obvious he hasnt been well educated and he also probably never did much writing with PEN AND PAPER since he likely grew up with computers.


When I was a kid we actually had a class called PENMANSHIP, I am sure some of you older folks remember that, we actually had to learn how to write the alphabet properly with paper and pencil, I doubt the last few generations of kids spent much time on that in school.

Actually, print and cursive writing is still a component of state curricula, and much the same method is used, usually referred to as Zaner-Bloser, the company that has produced all the writing materials for years. Just, you know, FYI.

 

[AndresEscobar]

Actually, print and cursive writing is still a component of state curricula, and much the same method is used, usually referred to as Zaner-Bloser, the company that has produced all the writing materials for years. Just, you know, FYI.

Yeah, I had to do all of this. I was going to rib PAX because his comments sounded a bit "get off my lawn" ish.

Honestly, my handwriting is worse than Sam's.

 

[piXy]

I wonder if she's going to break up with us, because if she is, I want to break up with her first!

=(
i never said i didnt post there, i wasnt aware i got alot of attention on that site or any other site

 

[piXy]

What do i have to explain? whether or not i slept with someone at sftw? why does that matter?