VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #16 *ARREST*

[basilcat]

Lol if he went on a football scholarship to a private school, I doubt grades were a factor. Jmo

I doubt grades were a factor either...
Bet he had a " big man on campus" mentality though; a sense of grandiosity and " celebrity status" thinking...
Until he was expelled amidst allegations of rape and assault....
This probably fed a fury...an anger that boiled beneath the surface ...which undoubtedly boiled over on many occasions when he felt rejected and full of a seething rage....hiding this beneath a forced amiable exterior... A gentle giant with tendencies to lose it and transform into the Incredible Hulk...scary...

 

[Kale]

Since we're discussing the possibility of JM taking drugs from work, what about his sweet ol' granny who seems to have his back so much? It seems that the theft of prescription drugs from private homes - usually by children or young relatives inside the home - is a big deal. And who has more prescription drugs than a grandma?

 

[bestill]

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/local/web...es-first-court-appearance-in-houston/28240404

Reminds me of Piper in Orange is the New Black, we know where whiny got her.

 

[kkdj]

Having trouble posting with quote. can't figure out why.

 

[Emaa]

http://www.insurancejournal.com/news/east/2011/02/23/187648.htm

This article says the statute of limitations for sex abuse cases was only extended to 20 years, from 2 years, in 2011. Weird, if other felonies do not have limits, unless sexual abuse is not a felony? Wonder if the no limitations on rape have always been in effect?

I think you may have misinterpreted the article. It was referring to civil lawsuits. From the article:

"There is no statute of limitations for criminal prosecution. The bill would only affect the victim’s right to file a civil lawsuit to collect damages."

 

[Heroine]

http://abc7chicago.com/324552/

"I think there's a resemblance between Hannah and me," she says. And that frightened her even more.

WOW even she thought that!!!

 

[Mimimak]

http://abc7chicago.com/324552/

Notice, she is blonde and white!!!!! Yay for GD thread!

All I can say is, Wow.

 

[hambirg]

That's not always true. That's more common when the rapist has no previous interaction with the victim. With date rape, often the guy is looking to get laid and even expecting it's due to him after spending money on a meal or a drink.

But what does date rape have to do with Hannah? This is clearly not a date rape situation. Date rape usually doesn't end in murder, and I think it's a safe assumption in this case.

MOO. . .JM is the guy. I said early on that I was torn between him being a poor schmuck who bought a pretty girl a drink before she disappeared to being a serial killer responsible for many missing girls in VA. I fell off the fence when I learned he was a cab driver during the time MH disappeared. That loud thud was me hitting the ground when I saw the picture of Alexis Murphy at the gas station with what looked like JM's car in the parking lot.

JM reminds me of Gary Ridegeway. . .not very bright but learning with each crime. GR preyed on prostitutes because, according to him, they were easier to get in the car. I think JM liked intoxicated girls probably for the same reason. . .they are more vulnerable and easier to abduct. GR also admitted to dumping some victims further away to throw off LE. I wonder how many of the Hwy cases JM will be responsible for.

I will eat my keyboard if I'm wrong.

 

[Bravo]

I doubt grades were a factor either...
Bet he had a " big man on campus" mentality though; a sense of grandiosity and " celebrity status" thinking...
Until he was expelled amidst allegations of rape and assault....
This probably fed a fury...an anger that boiled beneath the surface ...which undoubtedly boiled over on many occasions when he felt rejected and full of a seething rage....hiding this beneath a forced amiable exterior... A gentle giant with tendencies to lose it and transform into the Incredible Hulk...scary...

Agree. It was also stated somewhere by Grandma that Mom was less than stellar. I do wonder when he punched out the Lawyer and he was so apologetic if it was due to him mentioning he was a Lawyer and/or he was male. I don't even know if JM knew he was a Lawyer just an assumption. Not sure why I even mention these ponderings of mine but it's just how my thought processes work thru cases. Some small nuances fascinate me. Perhaps it's how I deal?

 

[SuperTmo]

In my experience, just as an average woman walking around and stuff, it seems that predatory types of men do get quite angry when rejected. They believe you're playing a frustrating game or that you'd have to be terrible to turn them down. I think predators are extremely selfish, self-centered people who don't understand the points of view of other people. For example, they may want sex so much they can't even stand it, but a random woman on the street probably isn't quite so desperate. But the guy just doesn't understand.

On another note, wow, I just cannot imagine doing what you did. Thanks for performing such a painful yet necessary service. :tyou:

I believe you are right. When I started dating after my divorce I think I went out w/ a predator type of guy and it was one of the most terrifying experiences of my entire life. We met at the restaurant and he made me uncomfortable from the start. Right after we were seated he started talking about sex and hooking up with me. I hadn't even placed my order yet! I said that I wasn't ready for that, and he kept talking about it, asking very personal questions. I said that we weren't compatible and that I was just going to go and he got mad. He started going on and on about how girls always play these games, and that he knew I wanted to "******ity ******," but that I just wanted to be a tease. He got louder to the point that men at tables nearby started getting out of their seats. He said he could just follow me home and hook up with me since he knew I was just playing games. I got so scared I ran right out of the dining room. Our food hadn't even arrived, that is how fast this "date" went downhill.

I went to the hostess podium to try to pay for my order and was in tears. The girl asked what was wrong and I said I had to go because this guy I was on a date with was scaring me and when I went to gesture to him, he was gone, and nobody saw him leave. I had no idea what he drove, if he had even left, etc. I was in a total panic, sobbing. Restaurant staff and other patrons were trying to see if they could see him hanging around the parking lot. I was certain he was waiting in the parking lot to follow me home. When I said I had no idea what to do because I couldn't risk him following me and didn't know where to go, the manager of the restaurant asked if it would be OK if he escorted me home. He had the hostess go with him so that I wouldn't be uncomfortable with the situation, Two other staff members followed in a car a few cars behind to keep an eye out for anyone following. When we went out to the parking lot as a group (at least 5 minutes after he left) he tore out of the lot with his headlights still off and went the opposite direction. Still, the manager and staff members followed me then walked me from my parking lot to my door to make sure I got home safely. I'll never forget their compassion and how kind they were to me to make sure I got home safely.

I slept with the lights on for 2 weeks after that.

 

[kkdj]

What I keep trying to "reply with quote" is that I think he is trying to appear mentally challenged.
I think he is a fake! Imo.

 

[blefuscu]

Thanks guys. I didn't know his job had changed

 

[Kale]

But what does date rape have to do with Hannah? This is clearly not a date rape situation. Date rape usually doesn't end in murder, and I think it's a safe assumption in this case.

MOO. . .JM is the guy. I said early on that I was torn between him being a poor schmuck who bought a pretty girl a drink before she disappeared to being a serial killer responsible for many missing girls in VA. I fell off the fence when I learned he was a cab driver during the time MH disappeared. That loud thud was me hitting the ground when I saw the picture of Alexis Murphy at the gas station with what looked like JM's car in the parking lot.

JM reminds me of Gary Ridegeway. . .not very bright but learning with each crime. GR preyed on prostitutes because, according to him, they were easier to get in the car. I think JM liked intoxicated girls probably for the same reason. . .they are more vulnerable and easier to abduct. GR also admitted to dumping some victims further away to throw off LE. I wonder how many of the Hwy cases JM will be responsible for.

I will eat my keyboard if I'm wrong.

Somewhat OT, but I live quite near Pacific Highway (99) where GR picked up many of his victims. It is not a nice place to this day, full of seedy motels getting shut down on a daily basis. And there is an attitude there that a woman walking around by herself is something you drive by and yell at/try to get in your car. The actual prostitutes dress like everyone else to avoid detection - it's not fishnets and leather like in the movies - so average women are victims of this idea that everyone is a hooker. Generally they'll say, "Hey, do you need a ride?" but a savvy woman knows there's a good chance it'll come at a price.

I'll bet a guy looking for a girl to lure into his vehicle (for whatever reason) would experience greater success if he appeared to be driving a cab.

 

[SweetT]

So when jm drove up to that lady alone on the beach for a closer look see.. Wonder if she'd been 21ish if we wouldn't have had another victim? Seems like it to me.. Why else would he approach her in such a manner and stare her down?

 

[CJnashy]

I believe you are right. When I started dating after my divorce I think I went out w/ a predator type of guy and it was one of the most terrifying experiences of my entire life. We met at the restaurant and he made me uncomfortable from the start. Right after we were seated he started talking about sex and hooking up with me. I hadn't even placed my order yet! I said that I wasn't ready for that, and he kept talking about it, asking very personal questions. I said that we weren't compatible and that I was just going to go and he got mad. He started going on and on about how girls always play these games, and that he knew I wanted to "******ity ******," but that I just wanted to be a tease. He got louder to the point that men at tables nearby started getting out of their seats. He said he could just follow me home and hook up with me since he knew I was just playing games. I got so scared I ran right out of the dining room. Our food hadn't even arrived, that is how fast this "date" went downhill.

I went to the hostess podium to try to pay for my order and was in tears. The girl asked what was wrong and I said I had to go because this guy I was on a date with was scaring me and when I went to gesture to him, he was gone, and nobody saw him leave. I had no idea what he drove, if he had even left, etc. I was in a total panic, sobbing. Restaurant staff and other patrons were trying to see if they could see him hanging around the parking lot. I was certain he was waiting in the parking lot to follow me home. When I said I had no idea what to do because I couldn't risk him following me and didn't know where to go, the manager of the restaurant asked if it would be OK if he escorted me home. He had the hostess go with him so that I wouldn't be uncomfortable with the situation, Two other staff members followed in a car a few cars behind to keep an eye out for anyone following. When we went out to the parking lot as a group (at least 5 minutes after he left) he tore out of the lot with his headlights still off and went the opposite direction. Still, the manager and staff members followed me then walked me from my parking lot to my door to make sure I got home safely. I'll never forget their compassion and how kind they were to me to make sure I got home safely.

I slept with the lights on for 2 weeks after that.

This just gave me chills. I couldnt even imagine what i would do. Thank goodness for those amazingly kind people. So sorry this happened to you!!

 

[kkdj]

So when jm drove up to that lady alone on the beach for a closer look see.. Wonder if she'd been 21ish if we wouldn't have had another victim? Seems like it to me.. Why else would he approach her in such a manner and stare her down?

I want to know if it was before or after he went in the convenience store asking if the beach was "safe"
jmo

 

[Kale]

I believe you are right. When I started dating after my divorce I think I went out w/ a predator type of guy and it was one of the most terrifying experiences of my entire life. We met at the restaurant and he made me uncomfortable from the start. Right after we were seated he started talking about sex and hooking up with me. I hadn't even placed my order yet! I said that I wasn't ready for that, and he kept talking about it, asking very personal questions. I said that we weren't compatible and that I was just going to go and he got mad. He started going on and on about how girls always play these games, and that he knew I wanted to "******ity ******," but that I just wanted to be a tease. He got louder to the point that men at tables nearby started getting out of their seats. He said he could just follow me home and hook up with me since he knew I was just playing games. I got so scared I ran right out of the dining room. Our food hadn't even arrived, that is how fast this "date" went downhill.

I went to the hostess podium to try to pay for my order and was in tears. The girl asked what was wrong and I said I had to go because this guy I was on a date with was scaring me and when I went to gesture to him, he was gone, and nobody saw him leave. I had no idea what he drove, if he had even left, etc. I was in a total panic, sobbing. Restaurant staff and other patrons were trying to see if they could see him hanging around the parking lot. I was certain he was waiting in the parking lot to follow me home. When I said I had no idea what to do because I couldn't risk him following me and didn't know where to go, the manager of the restaurant asked if it would be OK if he escorted me home. He had the hostess go with him so that I wouldn't be uncomfortable with the situation, Two other staff members followed in a car a few cars behind to keep an eye out for anyone following. When we went out to the parking lot as a group (at least 5 minutes after he left) he tore out of the lot with his headlights still off and went the opposite direction. Still, the manager and staff members followed me then walked me from my parking lot to my door to make sure I got home safely. I'll never forget their compassion and how kind they were to me to make sure I got home safely.

I slept with the lights on for 2 weeks after that.

Can I just say THREE CHEERS for that restaurant manager? I'll never get over how disappointing it is that there are such terrible predators in this world. I'm sorry you had to go through something so terrifying. I, too, have had people rally to my side in public situations with scary men. This is why speaking up and taking notice of things is so important! Every time I've been faced with the question of "is this any of my business?", I haven't regretted saying "Yes, it is".

 

[bestill]

I believe you are right. When I started dating after my divorce I think I went out w/ a predator type of guy and it was one of the most terrifying experiences of my entire life. We met at the restaurant and he made me uncomfortable from the start. Right after we were seated he started talking about sex and hooking up with me. I hadn't even placed my order yet! I said that I wasn't ready for that, and he kept talking about it, asking very personal questions. I said that we weren't compatible and that I was just going to go and he got mad. He started going on and on about how girls always play these games, and that he knew I wanted to "******ity ******," but that I just wanted to be a tease. He got louder to the point that men at tables nearby started getting out of their seats. He said he could just follow me home and hook up with me since he knew I was just playing games. I got so scared I ran right out of the dining room. Our food hadn't even arrived, that is how fast this "date" went downhill.

I went to the hostess podium to try to pay for my order and was in tears. The girl asked what was wrong and I said I had to go because this guy I was on a date with was scaring me and when I went to gesture to him, he was gone, and nobody saw him leave. I had no idea what he drove, if he had even left, etc. I was in a total panic, sobbing. Restaurant staff and other patrons were trying to see if they could see him hanging around the parking lot. I was certain he was waiting in the parking lot to follow me home. When I said I had no idea what to do because I couldn't risk him following me and didn't know where to go, the manager of the restaurant asked if it would be OK if he escorted me home. He had the hostess go with him so that I wouldn't be uncomfortable with the situation, Two other staff members followed in a car a few cars behind to keep an eye out for anyone following. When we went out to the parking lot as a group (at least 5 minutes after he left) he tore out of the lot with his headlights still off and went the opposite direction. Still, the manager and staff members followed me then walked me from my parking lot to my door to make sure I got home safely. I'll never forget their compassion and how kind they were to me to make sure I got home safely.

I slept with the lights on for 2 weeks after that.

This is so scary!! Imagine if you had met him somewhere remote?

 

[LI-Mom]

"Then she says, "He hit the brakes, throwing up sand and looked at me. He leaned over the console and stared. It was frightening."

That's because in those few seconds, she made the connection between the man looking at her, and the face in the mugshot that has been circulating nationwide since Graham's disappearance."

But "Karen" also says that she resembles HG & honestly, I don't see it.

Maybe from a distance there might be a resemblance. But she's a blonde, and a string of blondes have gone missing in the Charlottesville region. Hmm.

 

[teeandcee]

I'm concerned about any inappropriate contact he may have had with those patients who were sedated prior to surgery and those still under the influence of the anesthesia after.

Having had far too many surgeries in my years, I don't this is a concern. OR's are very busy places as are recovery rooms. They're bustling with people and activity. I've never been wheeled by a single person, always two, and always gazillions of people all over the place everywhere I've been wheeled.