VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #2

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absentia said:
Oh, I thought cell phone guy contacted police. If not, then he's suspect for sure. It was the older, heavier guy who contacted police?
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People seem to think they are one in the same, but I defintiely think they are two different people. The Tuel guy has blue pants on. The Sal's guy has lighter, long shorts on with high socks it seems. Thinner too.
 
I truly think HG stopped dreadlocks to wait with her bc before that he pays no attention to her. he's chatting with and following the group of boys. it's not like he recognized her and called out to her and she turned back to wait for him.

I think cell phone guy had been following/intimidating her for some time before Sal's. She was already scared and he was so obvious when watching and following her as if to be openly harassing her.
 
I am confused has to how close her location was to the location she was suppose to be at.
 
Hiandmighty said:
Entirely possible. When they say "distressed" do they mean she was crying? Drunk, high, lost, disoriented... Maybe she was crying.

It's possible she wandered by herself and fell into the river and drowned.
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i don't know. she wasn't THAT drunk. i mean, she could walk in a straight line. also, she's quite athletic + i bet she's a decent swimmer. i don't think she would have just fallen in and gone under. does anyone know if the river would have been rough that night or is it totally placid and kind of clear of debris?
 
OK. I think the person being called "dreads guy" or "black guy" is actually a pregnant woman. Especially the person in the footage of the square where Hannah walks across the back. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=L8WV9wLBzdg&app=desktop)

This person walks like someone whose center of gravity is off, back slightly arched, shoulders above hips.

And I still agree with the cops about the reflection. That footage is shot through 2 panes of what is likely thick security glass, that CAN alter the appearance of colors, because it makes a primitive prism effect. So it's actually a combination of several optic effects, through several lenses and panes of glass, both reflection and refraction are at play.

*sits in the corner and waits to be told she's wrong*
 
Reports on twitter of sudden and significant police activity currently.


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It looks like the small group of people is lead by a male that turns around to talk to his peeps. It looks like he has a phone. I wonder if LE has pinged cell phones.
 
Unless Hannah asked long haired guy for help. If I were scared, I would pick the most gregarious, boisterous person I could find.

Theris said:
Exactly. The police said he came into the station at 10:15pm last night. The first time the video was shown on TV was probably on the 10 o'clock news (or a description of the video's contents were reported then at least; I think the TV stations didn't get the video itself until 11 o'clock). That either means he's the perp and has been watching everything about the case closely and waiting to see if they got him on camera, or maybe he just happened to see himself on the news. I doubt he just happened to see himself though. If he keeps track of the local news he was certainly aware of Hannah being missing for days and must have known she was the girl he followed. I'm torn between CWG and dreadlocks. Really a close call. Logic tells me its CWG but the way dreadlocks circled around and walked with Hannah is hard to ignore also. My gut tells me she wouldn't go anywhere with dreadlocks though. Even if he's a bit gregarious he would have probably raised red flags with Hannah even in an intoxicated state. Yeah, partly a race thing but also he must have been pushy and the dreadlocks and ponchy stomach and being older add up. Just doesn't strike me as someone Hannah would trust under any state she's in.
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Do they have any footage from the parking lot of the mall or the parking garage? That could be key evidence if there is any.
 
This report says it is the same WG in both vids.

bcnews.go.com/US/missing-university-virginia-student-hannah-graham-man/story?id=25592387
 
leilarose68 said:
i don't know. she wasn't THAT drunk. i mean, she could walk in a straight line. also, she's quite athletic + i bet she's a decent swimmer. i don't think she would have just fallen in and gone under. does anyone know if the river would have been rough that night or is it totally placid and kind of clear of debris?
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Fox just showed a video of her walking alone on a sideway and it looked to me that she walked off the sidewalk and had to correct. It gave me the impression she was rather drunk. I could be wrong. Ill rewind it and watch again.
 
mirv22 said:
People seem to think they are one in the same, but I defintiely think they are two different people. The Tuel guy has blue pants on. The Sal's guy has lighter, long shorts on with high socks it seems. Thinner too.
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it's the heavier guy with darker hair who walks past cell phone guy before HG does. I think he's not involved.
She looks scared to me. shoulder hunched, chest caved in. like she's been crying or is crying from fear.
 
Theris said:
Exactly. The police said he came into the station at 10:15pm last night. The first time the video was shown on TV was probably on the 10 o'clock news (or a description of the video's contents were reported then at least; I think the TV stations didn't get the video itself until 11 o'clock). That either means he's the perp and has been watching everything about the case closely and waiting to see if they got him on camera, or maybe he just happened to see himself on the news. I doubt he just happened to see himself though. If he keeps track of the local news he was certainly aware of Hannah being missing for days and must have known she was the girl he followed. I'm torn between CWG and dreadlocks. Really a close call. Logic tells me its CWG but the way dreadlocks circled around and walked with Hannah is hard to ignore also. My gut tells me she wouldn't go anywhere with dreadlocks though. Even if he's a bit gregarious he would have probably raised red flags with Hannah even in an intoxicated state. Yeah, partly a race thing but also he must have been pushy and the dreadlocks and ponchy stomach and being older add up. Just doesn't strike me as someone Hannah would trust under any state she's in.
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Except that I remember reading that he had contacted police earlier in the week, but they had not called him back yet, so he went to the station. I don't have a link.... [emoji53]
 
Tuckersmom said:
Can you tell me where on this may is the parking garage they lost her scent?
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I don't know how to make a map, but Water Street, where the parking garage is, runs parallel to the Downtown Mall. The garage is at 3rd SE and Water. If you keep going down Water Street, it eventually starts to turn and ends up going under the Belmont Bridge.
 
Hiandmighty said:
Fox just showed a video of her walking alone on a sideway and it looked to me that she walked off the sidewalk and had to correct. It gave me the impression she was rather drunk. I could be wrong. Ill rewind it and watch again.
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Someone could have put something in her drink to.
 
Ok so 1:08 to 1:20 so there is a 12 minute gap then a text at 120 saying she was lost. 1 30 the phone goes dead.
 
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