VA - Hannah Elizabeth Graham, 18, Charlottesville, 13 Sept 2014 - #5

[momrids6]

This story states last text to friends was at 1:06...?

Police detective James Mooney said that in her text messages to friends, Graham indicated that she was lost and disoriented, at one point saying she was on Main Street when she actually was on Preston Avenue.

Graham also indicated that she believed she was walking back toward her home when she was actually headed the opposite way, authorities said. She also texted friends asking for someone to come find her after she realized she was lost. She last texted friends at 1:06 a.m., about the time that the man in dreadlocks encountered her.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...25aab8-4001-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html

 

[Just K]

I'm curious why LE won't release a photo of the car. They want people to call in if they have seen the burnt orange Chrysler coupe or the man and where they may have seen either over the last six days (Sun-Thursday.) IIRC, Chief Longo said there was more video and one caught the Chrysler down at The Downtown mall.

I want to add re: 164 Hessian Hills Way there are 4 units and several woman live in those four units. I found a possible match for Dreads Guy but I can't link it per TOS. I hope they search the woods behind 164 Hessain Hills Way.

 

[momrids6]

• 1:20 a.m. Graham texts friends, "I'm coming to a party...but I'm lost." It was the last time she had contact with anyone. If her phone pinpointed her location, police have not released the information, and police did not clarify whether the text was sent before or after leaving the bar.


I have not seen any actual MSM of exactly what was texted- there seems to be nothing written about 14th and Wertland ??? Or they have just eliminated that part??


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/19/missing-virginia-student/15890571/

 

[Bitterbb]

I have never posted before, this case has really dragged me in. Sorry if this is a bit random and elementary.

I noticed a couple things while checking out HG FB page.

Under her groups, UVA Lost and Found, there is a
post on Tuesday about a stolen keg tap. It states that it was stolen from a party at 301 14th St.
I'm sure that party could be just one of many parties that night, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Also, several comments on her photos suggest that she is "not American". I don't recall anyone mentioning
that before and I wonder if she has an accent? That could make her more memorable to a witness that may
not otherwise remember an interaction with her.

Lastly, I'm bothered by her friends not being concerned that she walked away from the group later texts that she
is "lost". I would think they would have checked and noticed her missing before Sunday afternoon.
The fact that no one reports her missing until so late on Sunday is disturbing to me. Couple that with the Chiefs
passionate plea for information and stating that "you know the name..." makes me very suspicious of her
companions.

When my son went missing I immediately posted on his FB page even though he does not use it much. The response
was huge. Why is nothing posted on her FB page about her disappearance? Nothing. So many people posted
notes to my boy letting him know they were ready and willing to help him in anyway. Notes of support to us as well.
I find it weird that none of her friends have posted a single word on her timeline.

 

[Claudia]

• 1:20 a.m. Graham texts friends, "I'm coming to a party...but I'm lost." It was the last time she had contact with anyone. If her phone pinpointed her location, police have not released the information, and police did not clarify whether the text was sent before or after leaving the bar.


I have not seen any actual MSM of exactly what was texted- there seems to be nothing written about 14th and Wertland ??? Or they have just eliminated that part??


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/19/missing-virginia-student/15890571/

How weird. I'm sure there was a location in the last text. Isn't that why they said to disregard it? Because they don't believe she was actually at that location? I guess we have no idea what it said. [emoji53]

 

[bessie]

How weird. I'm sure there was a location in the last text. Isn't that why they said to disregard it? Because they don't believe she was actually at that location? I guess we have no idea what it said. [emoji53]

A location was mentioned.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=10975164

 

[Soulmagent]

I had read the last text was at 106 am , and the phone went silent at 1:20.

However now I have no clue.

 

[momrids6]

another version;

"She had been drinking quite a bit," Pleasants said of Graham's condition after leaving a party a few blocks from her home Friday night. "She told him [a friend Graham attended the party with] that she was leaving and going home. He asked if he could walk her home and she said no she was fine. He stayed and she left."


Over the next 45 minutes, Graham sent text messages to several friends, with one message saying "I'm lost in the area of 14th and Wertland." That was the area she was in, said Pleasants, "an area she's very familiar with."
At around 1 a.m., investigators say Graham's phone was either turned off or died.



http://inthecapital.streetwise.co/2014/09/16/police-reveal-new-details-about-missing-uva-student/

 

[Just K]

This story states last text to friends was at 1:06...?

Police detective James Mooney said that in her text messages to friends, Graham indicated that she was lost and disoriented, at one point saying she was on Main Street when she actually was on Preston Avenue.

Graham also indicated that she believed she was walking back toward her home when she was actually headed the opposite way, authorities said. She also texted friends asking for someone to come find her after she realized she was lost. She last texted friends at 1:06 a.m., about the time that the man in dreadlocks encountered her.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local...25aab8-4001-11e4-b03f-de718edeb92f_story.html

In the very first report I heard, it said the last text was at 1:20 AM and said, "I'm lost at 14th & Wertland, come find me." I thought if that text went out to a girl that it might have been sent by the abductor to lure HG's friend, too. I honestly wonder if Dreads Guy thought or knew HG was a UVA student. Locals have said undergrad students don't typically hang out there on weekend nights. I also think that he escorted her into Tempo, possibly so she could use the bathroom before he gave her a ride. I agree that she may have left her phone near him while he waited in the bar and had a drink. If she had a water or a soft drink, he may have dropped something in it. After all that running around she was probably dehydrated and would have needed something to drink. One other thing, just days before that Friday she was sick. So she was probably really in need of fluids.

I'm also wondering if the two heavy women were waiting inside Tempo and he used their presence to give HG a false sense of safety. In the MH case their were sightings that were often dismissed. One was an SUV with several people in it. It was pulled over on an exit ramp, just West of the UVA grounds, and one or more of the doors was wide open. IIRC, There was also a sighting of a red car/sedan near the Copley Bridge. Red and Orange at night could be confused.

 

[bessie]

[...]

Search teams originally looked through specific parts of Charlottesville on Monday after they read a text that the second-year University of Virginia student sent at 1:20 a.m., which stated that she was lost near 14th and Wertland Streets, WTVR reported.

Now investigators think she may not have been in that area at all.

“We don’t know whether it was auto correct on her phone or she just typed it in wrong, we have no idea,” Police Capt. Gary Pleasants said.

http://myfox8.com/2014/09/17/univer...rahams-last-text-likely-incorrect-police-say/

 

[Galadriel]

• 1:20 a.m. Graham texts friends, "I'm coming to a party...but I'm lost." It was the last time she had contact with anyone. If her phone pinpointed her location, police have not released the information, and police did not clarify whether the text was sent before or after leaving the bar.

SBM. The phrasing of this text bothers me. Wouldn't you say, "I'm going to a party" rather than coming? If you're texting someone to tell them where you plan to be, it makes more sense to say, "I'm going to a party." It just seems off somehow. Maybe it's just a quirk of HG's background (British raised in America), but it's weird to me. I work in digital media, and part of my job is transcribing both native and non-native English-speaking audio. I've never heard anyone answer the question "Where are you?" with "I'm coming to X" (unless they were speaking to someone who was already at X).

I hope this makes sense, and maybe I'm swallowing camels and straining gnats, but it just nags at me. It doesn't sound like what an 18yo girl would text, even if she had been drinking.

 

[Just K]

I have never posted before, this case has really dragged me in. Sorry if this is a bit random and elementary.

I noticed a couple things while checking out HG FB page.

Under her groups, UVA Lost and Found, there is a
post on Tuesday about a stolen keg tap. It states that it was stolen from a party at 301 14th St.
I'm sure that party could be just one of many parties that night, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Also, several comments on her photos suggest that she is "not American". I don't recall anyone mentioning
that before and I wonder if she has an accent? That could make her more memorable to a witness that may
not otherwise remember an interaction with her.

Lastly, I'm bothered by her friends not being concerned that she walked away from the group later texts that she
is "lost". I would think they would have checked and noticed her missing before Sunday afternoon.
The fact that no one reports her missing until so late on Sunday is disturbing to me. Couple that with the Chiefs
passionate plea for information and stating that "you know the name..." makes me very suspicious of her
companions.

When my son went missing I immediately posted on his FB page even though he does not use it much. The response
was huge. Why is nothing posted on her FB page about her disappearance? Nothing. So many people posted
notes to my boy letting him know they were ready and willing to help him in anyway. Notes of support to us as well.
I find it weird that none of her friends have posted a single word on her timeline.

I saw that the first time I went to her social media pages. It was the same tonight. Nothing there as far as any messages of support...really weird. IMO I haven't looked at the find Heather Graham FB page. Maybe her friends have posted there instead. Or the privacy settings make it so that non FB friends can only view some posts and pics. She may even have it set where she has to approve comments

 

[HFfan1]

Wow, the safety warnings from UVA are astonishingly scary to me. The comparable school I went to had around 10,000 more undergraduates (thanks wikipedia!) than UVA and even a single incident like this within a several year period would be terrifying to the student body. A series of incidents like this would have had my mom financing a mandatory sabbatical for me right back to my childhood bedroom. So many overlaps in streets and suspect descriptions. And men working TOGETHER to assault women. Wearing matching "Love Me" shirts. WTF?


jmo. can't sleep. keep praying for hannah.

What's crazy about those reports is SO MANY young women out alone between midnight and 3 am. It must be so frustrating for law enforcement and parents to see the same mistakes made over and over again.

For those who attended this school, do they speak about safety during freshman orientation? Do they have the blue light emergency system and the peer chaperone system?

I went to a school that had a few rape incidents, as I think most college towns do, and they were VERY sure to inform women and make it pretty easy to not be alone. Even police officers on bikes who would stop you if you were a single woman and escort you home. They also had a number you could call to get a chaperone late at night by a volunteer security personnel. I was lucky to have some male friends who were like brothers to me who never, even on the most inconvenient nights, let me walk alone.

 

[momrids6]

SBM. The phrasing of this text bothers me. Wouldn't you say, "I'm going to a party" rather than coming? If you're texting someone to tell them where you plan to be, it makes more sense to say, "I'm going to a party." It just seems off somehow. Maybe it's just a quirk of HG's background (British raised in America), but it's weird to me. I work in digital media, and part of my job is transcribing both native and non-native English-speaking audio. I've never heard anyone answer the question "Where are you?" with "I'm coming to X" (unless they were speaking to someone who was already at X).

I hope this makes sense, and maybe I'm swallowing camels and straining gnats, but it just nags at me. It doesn't sound like what an 18yo girl would text, even if she had been drinking.

All I can figure- and I've played with the auto correct on my phone- is that she meant to say:

"I'm coming to the party, but I'm lost"

 

[lindamichelle1]

He says several things that sound like he might be giving cryptic hints about where the investigation is going, but I think the "many of you were there" means reporters who were covering the search.

I havent seen the press release thing, but from that statement i kinda figured he meant many of you meaning the public, so this guy might be a drug dealer or have lots of parties at his house, meaning he does something where lots of people are in and out of that house.?

 

[alreetlike]

SBM. The phrasing of this text bothers me. Wouldn't you say, "I'm going to a party" rather than coming? If you're texting someone to tell them where you plan to be, it makes more sense to say, "I'm going to a party." It just seems off somehow. Maybe it's just a quirk of HG's background (British raised in America), but it's weird to me. I work in digital media, and part of my job is transcribing both native and non-native English-speaking audio. I've never heard anyone answer the question "Where are you?" with "I'm coming to X" (unless they were speaking to someone who was already at X).

I hope this makes sense, and maybe I'm swallowing camels and straining gnats, but it just nags at me. It doesn't sound like what an 18yo girl would text, even if she had been drinking.

I find the phrasing weird too. I would say "I'm coming to the party" if I was going to a party that the recipient of the text was already at, or "I'm going to a party" if I was going to a separate party that the recipient wasn't at. I don't think I'd ever say "I'm coming to a party". FWIW I'm British.

Maybe when sending the text she was talking to someone who had just said "you're coming to a party" to her and she just basically wrote that into the text.

I don't know. There's way too much to catch up on here and I'm about to leave the house for the rest of the day. I hope I find a good wifi network...

 

[perfectingpink]

I have never posted before, this case has really dragged me in. Sorry if this is a bit random and elementary.

I noticed a couple things while checking out HG FB page.

Under her groups, UVA Lost and Found, there is a
post on Tuesday about a stolen keg tap. It states that it was stolen from a party at 301 14th St.
I'm sure that party could be just one of many parties that night, but I thought it was worth mentioning.

Also, several comments on her photos suggest that she is "not American". I don't recall anyone mentioning
that before and I wonder if she has an accent? That could make her more memorable to a witness that may
not otherwise remember an interaction with her.

Lastly, I'm bothered by her friends not being concerned that she walked away from the group later texts that she
is "lost". I would think they would have checked and noticed her missing before Sunday afternoon.
The fact that no one reports her missing until so late on Sunday is disturbing to me. Couple that with the Chiefs
passionate plea for information and stating that "you know the name..." makes me very suspicious of her
companions.

When my son went missing I immediately posted on his FB page even though he does not use it much. The response
was huge. Why is nothing posted on her FB page about her disappearance? Nothing. So many people posted
notes to my boy letting him know they were ready and willing to help him in anyway. Notes of support to us as well.
I find it weird that none of her friends have posted a single word on her timeline.

Hannah has been in the USA since she was 5.

I am sorry about your son and I hope it turned out okay!

 

[Emaa]

I thought so too but I hadn't seen it linked yet and that made me think perhaps I was misunderstanding the rules about social media accounts.
Apologies to the mods in advance if this is against the ToS.

twitter.com/hegraham25

Says she walked in on friend doing coke.

 

[Galadriel]

All I can figure- and I've played with the auto correct on my phone- is that she meant to say:

"I'm coming to the party, but I'm lost"

Maybe when sending the text she was talking to someone who had just said "you're coming to a party" to her and she just basically wrote that into the text.

Both excellent points, and I make both those texting mistakes myself all too often. I need a "grabbing at straws" emoji here.

 

[momrids6]

Both excellent points, and I make both those texting mistakes myself all too often. I need a "grabbing at straws" emoji here.

ot: My sons have declared I have written a new language, my texting is awful. :shame: