Found Deceased VA - Morgan Dana Harrington, 20, Charlottesville, 17 Oct 2009 - #13

[LogicalMinds]

thanks meow it has been my thoughts all along that the perp was at the concert.it wasnt a matter of her just happening to be outside.i believe she was somehow forced outside.maybe the perp told a guard(oh this is my girlfriend shes drunk started a fight and im getting her out of here.sorry)security guard may have thought nothing about it.it might explain the shouting at the door and her grabbing the guys arm.once the perp got her out the door he probably dropped back to not be noticed then he waited he KNEW she would not be able to get back in.jmo

There is absolutely NO evidence of that...no one forced her out of that arena...she was outside the arena, on her phone, tried to get back in...

I do agree on this>> I think she grabbed the "45 yr old" guys arm to try to get in with him, but it didn't work

if she was "forced" out of the arena, where was the 'FORCER"...when she was out there talking to the basketball players, and being seen by other eyewitnesses??

The security guards and door people at the arena have all been questioned...they aren't in trouble...they didn't have some trouble where a "guy told them she was drunk">>


If you have followed this "case" from the start, there are a few "facts" (not many, but a few) and these are some of them

 

[LogicalMinds]

I don't think she knew her killer at all. I've said this from the beginning, that it was a stranger rape/murder. A crime of opportunity, and Morgan was in the wrong place at the wrong time. It appears that is what Gil and Dan are saying as well, if you read between the lines of some of their comments.

I think so too...I also don't think it was a "forced' or blitz attack..

I think it was just a "decent" looking young guy, slightly known or knew someone she knew or went to same school or whatever...and it all went wrong

Due to where she was found...a local, or someone who had "partied" on that farm and knew the area

Maybe that "SRO" who is young and nice looking kid...or maybe just a guy who has not (yet) been caught

Maybe a guy who had not killed before....but I think he was "up to no good"..

There is always a "first" for everything. I am reminded of that old guy who was arrested last year for a rape/murder he did when he was like 20 years old...picked up a girl and got angry when she rebuffed him and raped her and killed her to keep her from talking...dna got him...he was an upright citizen, husband, dad, granddad....he said that after he murdered the girl he stopped drinking, found God etc, lived very quiet...but now he is where he belongs (prison)

still there are cases like that..

He may have told her too much about himself before he got violent with her...may have said his name, where he worked, lived, goes to school....he realized she could identify him...and so he killed her.

and he is out there...I just hope girls out there are really careful, stay in groups

 

[SusanB]

I think the perp is a local, probably a student, looks normal, non-threatening, probably "cute" to the college girls, she may have had some kind of connection with him, like Logical said, but was not a close associate.
Seems like the Harringtons hinted or maybe I was reading into their statements, that it was a young man around college. I think I got that impression when they were walking and made some sort of statement about how the students are jogging near campus, etc, and could be in danger (or something to that effect).
Maybe it's just my gut feel.
Definitely has ties to that area, as per that PC about "location, location, location."
Still think she was in the wrong place at the wrong time, no cell, accepted a ride from a psycho who did not seem like a psycho, she fought him after he came on to her, and was killed. All IMOO.

 

[rickh]

There is absolutely NO evidence of that...no one forced her out of that arena...she was outside the arena, on her phone, tried to get back in...

I do agree on this>> I think she grabbed the "45 yr old" guys arm to try to get in with him, but it didn't work

if she was "forced" out of the arena, where was the 'FORCER"...when she was out there talking to the basketball players, and being seen by other eyewitnesses??

The security guards and door people at the arena have all been questioned...they aren't in trouble...they didn't have some trouble where a "guy told them she was drunk">>


If you have followed this "case" from the start, there are a few "facts" (not many, but a few) and these are some of them

thanks logical but i have followed this case from the beginning and unless the facts are wrong its my understanding she was headed away from the arena when she tried to get the guy to go with her.that was after HE heard shouting at one of the entrances.i also believe the perp certainly would not have let himself be seen following her.i hope it is as you say just a random bad night but i would have to ask myself how many women are abducted at the thousand of concerts across the country then murdered.i tend to lean more toward random planned events versus random luck (jmo)

 

[Cardinal47]

I believe Morgan knew "of" her killer. Knew who he/she was. Perhaps had been in the same gathering. This is somebody she felt would not harm her and she could accept a ride to the place they were "both" heading. Their directions were not the same. He/she wanted something she was not willing to give. It turned ugly. He/she killed her in one place and took her to another. A place familiar to the killer.

He/she is very worried because something was left behind. Something that will lead LE directly to he/she. This person has everything to lose and is running for his/her life.

And now a riddle for you; This person is being kept close by but being pushed far away.

MHO

 

[Javabean]

I'm curious as to what my fellow Web Sleuthers think! Do you guys fell Morgan was killed where she was found, or was she placed there after the fact? I go back and forth with this one....

 

[nostoneunturned]

It was October,it was cold and dreary ...she was not dressed to be out walking in a field.
I think she was left there..the person knew the area .They knew it would be very hard for her to be found.
They took her there after she was dead.I believe it was a very hasty drop.(or the perp would have buried her.) I believe the person is known to the H's and their son. I think that is why they continue to warn the students and people of Charlottesville.
I hope LE catches them soon.

 

[quiqui]

This whole case just bothers me. All missing persons cases bother me, but something about Morgan really gets to me. Maybe it's because this one really hits home and also makes me think about all the times in the last few years that I've walked somewhere alone in the name of independence and not inconveniencing others.

I attended an event at the John Paul Jones Arena this week and at intermission the announcer said something along the lines of "now is the time to get snacks, buy merchandise, stretch, and go outside to get some fresh air". I was shocked. This person was part of the show and not a JPJA employee, so I guess he was unaware of the arena wide no re-entry policy...but nobody corrected him! I kept waiting for someone to come back and mention "oh by the way if you go outside we won't let you back in" but no one did. I didn't see any signs indicating there was no re-entry either.

For me, experiencing a night event at the JPJA solidifies in my mind how it could be easy to end up outside not knowing you can't get back in...and how the surrounding area, even the bridge, would look safe to walk around alone.

Ugh.

 

[LogicalMinds]

thanks logical but i have followed this case from the beginning and unless the facts are wrong its my understanding she was headed away from the arena when she tried to get the guy to go with her.that was after HE heard shouting at one of the entrances.i also believe the perp certainly would not have let himself be seen following her.i hope it is as you say just a random bad night but i would have to ask myself how many women are abducted at the thousand of concerts across the country then murdered.i tend to lean more toward random planned events versus random luck (jmo)

Most have concluded that she was trying to "sneak" back in the arena with him....using him to get her back in

after that she was seen walking around by herself....she was seen and spoke to the basketball players

all of this would indicate that NO one forced her to leave the arena. Remember, she even called her friends and told them she was outside the arena and they made suggestions of how she could get back in etc

she also texted her friend "60 miles away"...

so I think all of that means that she was NOT forced out of the arena, she left (by mistake maybe) ..and she could not get back in

as I have stated before, I feel it was a lot of bad luck (and yes, some bad decisions)...crowned by the defective phone that was "prone" to losing the battery

 

[part time prof]

This whole case just bothers me. All missing persons cases bother me, but something about Morgan really gets to me. Maybe it's because this one really hits home and also makes me think about all the times in the last few years that I've walked somewhere alone in the name of independence and not inconveniencing others.

I attended an event at the John Paul Jones Arena this week and at intermission the announcer said something along the lines of "now is the time to get snacks, buy merchandise, stretch, and go outside to get some fresh air". I was shocked. This person was part of the show and not a JPJA employee, so I guess he was unaware of the arena wide no re-entry policy...but nobody corrected him! I kept waiting for someone to come back and mention "oh by the way if you go outside we won't let you back in" but no one did. I didn't see any signs indicating there was no re-entry either.

For me, experiencing a night event at the JPJA solidifies in my mind how it could be easy to end up outside not knowing you can't get back in...and how the surrounding area, even the bridge, would look safe to walk around alone.

Ugh.

BBM.

I have only ever been to one basketball game at JPJ (a couple years ago), and I wasn't looking for signs or paying attention to security, but others who have attended concerts there have stated that it is well signed and they were warned at exits about the no re-entry policy, so I found this shocking.

Especially in light of what happened with Morgan and with the announcement to go outside to get some fresh air...now the announcer may have meant go outside the concert area but stay inside the arena, but he/she didn't say that according to your quote.

 

[Calliope]

thanks logical but i have followed this case from the beginning and unless the facts are wrong its my understanding she was headed away from the arena when she tried to get the guy to go with her.that was after HE heard shouting at one of the entrances.i also believe the perp certainly would not have let himself be seen following her.i hope it is as you say just a random bad night but i would have to ask myself how many women are abducted at the thousand of concerts across the country then murdered.i tend to lean more toward random planned events versus random luck (jmo)

She well could have been baited outside.

We have no idea why she ended up outside the arena; being forced or baited to leave is at least as good a theory as simply wandering out.

I just have a hard time believing that someone as excited as Morgan to see Metallica ("who cares! we're here to see Metallica, right?!?") would simply wander away and then leave with a 'no big deal I'll find a way home' attitude (especially with home being 2-3 hours away).

 

[dda]

Logical Minds:

Where did you get the info regarding the text "60 miles away"? I have not heard that before. What time was the text sent and received? Who received it?

 

[rossva]

By a "FRIEND" (who post's on the FindMorgan forum) of the friends. Third party - it has never been stated by anyone in an official position - period. Neither the Harrington's not LE have came out and said they requested the friends remain quiet.

If you have seen where it is mentioned as a fact Morgan's parent asked the friends to remain quiet, please post a link.

I believe the friend that posted it was told that by the friends, I just don't believe the friends were being honest in telling her. Look at the heat the friends have recieved due to their silence - and how easy it would be for Dr. Harrington or LE to release a statement - to remove that heat from the friends.

Nope, all that article says is he doesn't hold them responsible. No where does it say he or LE has asked the friends to remain quiet.


On the FindMorgan website, it has been mentioned that Morgan's parents are the ones that asked her friends to remain quiet.

 

[rossva]

I personally am discounting most the witness reports of seeing Morgan. Here is one possible senario of how Morgan met up with the bg: perhaps Morgan was partied out when she made it to JPJA, and was only able to remain inside for the opening acts. Remember, they were in Charlottesville quite some time before the concert, and had plenty of time to attend a pre-party. Once outside, she saw another person who had happened to be at the pre-party dropping off some one at JPJA, and asked that person to give her a ride back to the pre-party. Morgan would feel safe returning with someone she felt she knew. I am not saying this individual has any other involvement other than driving Morgan back to the pre-party, but perhaps after her return there, she ran into the bad guy.

 

[SuziQ]

The fact that Morgan went up to a 45-year old male outside the arena, and was reportedly "very aggressive" with him, and attempted to grab onto his arm and exclaimed "Let's Go!" leads me to believe that the perp need not necessarily be young or nice-looking.

BBM. This has been confirmed as a fact?

 

[pittsburghgirl]

rossva,

Your post reads as if you are aware that there is such a person who gave Morgan a ride to a specific destination:

Once outside, she saw another person who had happened to be at the pre-party dropping off some one at JPJA, and asked that person to give her a ride back to the pre-party. Morgan would feel safe returning with someone she felt she knew. I am not saying this individual has any other involvement other than driving Morgan back to the pre-party,

...

Now, perhaps your choice of words reflects that you are writing about a possible scenario. But if you are aware that she went to a pre-party and went BACK to that party, you should contact LE. That scenario would mean that there are a number of people would have knowledge of Morgan after she left the arena: the person who gave her a ride and the others at the party. Presumably, they would also have some idea who the "bad guy" is. You say you are discounting "most of the witness reports of seeing Morgan," meaning those reports that have been made public. Here, you speculate that there are other witnesses who have NOT made reports, including witnesses to Morgan being at a pre-party. If this is pure speculation on your part, say so. If not--if you know where Morgan and her friends were before the concert, LE needs that information. If, for example, Morgan was given rohypnol or another drug at a pre-party, that might explain her behavior at the concert and the choices she made. If there is such an individual who gave her a ride, this person should step forward and tell what he or she knows.

 

[rickh]

This whole case just bothers me. All missing persons cases bother me, but something about Morgan really gets to me. Maybe it's because this one really hits home and also makes me think about all the times in the last few years that I've walked somewhere alone in the name of independence and not inconveniencing others.

I attended an event at the John Paul Jones Arena this week and at intermission the announcer said something along the lines of "now is the time to get snacks, buy merchandise, stretch, and go outside to get some fresh air". I was shocked. This person was part of the show and not a JPJA employee, so I guess he was unaware of the arena wide no re-entry policy...but nobody corrected him! I kept waiting for someone to come back and mention "oh by the way if you go outside we won't let you back in" but no one did. I didn't see any signs indicating there was no re-entry either.

For me, experiencing a night event at the JPJA solidifies in my mind how it could be easy to end up outside not knowing you can't get back in...and how the surrounding area, even the bridge, would look safe to walk around alone.

Ugh.

can you tell me if it says on your ticket there is no reentry?

 

[quiqui]

BBM.

I have only ever been to one basketball game at JPJ (a couple years ago), and I wasn't looking for signs or paying attention to security, but others who have attended concerts there have stated that it is well signed and they were warned at exits about the no re-entry policy, so I found this shocking.

Especially in light of what happened with Morgan and with the announcement to go outside to get some fresh air...now the announcer may have meant go outside the concert area but stay inside the arena, but he/she didn't say that according to your quote.

Yeah, I was specifically looking for signs when we left and didn't see any (though that doesn't mean they weren't there!). I wonder if there are permanent signs or ones that vary by events...or maybe are taken down at the end?

I know none of this really makes much difference at this point - as it doesn't change the outcome or add any really useful information, so I apologize that this is probably redundant.

It just got me thinking to actually be in the arena...and especially to hear what my friends and I interpreted to be an invitation to completely exit and get outside air.

 

[quiqui]

can you tell me if it says on your ticket there is no reentry?

Sorry for the double post, I saw this right as I posted my other response.

Interestingly enough I did not have a ticket. You could preorder a ticket online for $50 or pay $10 first come first serve at the door. I gave a person inside the door $10 and that was that.

 

[rickh]

Sorry for the double post, I saw this right as I posted my other response.

Interestingly enough I did not have a ticket. You could preorder a ticket online for $50 or pay $10 first come first serve at the door. I gave a person inside the door $10 and that was that.

thanks i am just curious if anyone knows if it states on your ticket when bought there or online there there is no reentry with that ticket?thanks again quiqui for your response.