She doesn't work in retail, if you mean he could have accessed her going to and from work. He's much older that she is... late 60's I think.
Who are you referring to? Can you point me in the direction?TIA
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She doesn't work in retail, if you mean he could have accessed her going to and from work. He's much older that she is... late 60's I think.
Who are you referring to? Can you point me in the direction?TIA
ITA! I do not believe a stalker was outside the arena waiting for her that night. There are many things that LE knows that we don't. I think she either got into a car with someone (by way of any of your scenarios in your earlier post) Or she was abducted, which remains to be seen.
I also wanted to add that if Morgan had any plans set up for that night, LE would know. She would have had to make a phone call, text or respond via facebook, myspace, email etc. There is still the possibility that she ran into someone she knew. However where would they have gone? She wasn't seen at local bars or hangouts. No one reported seeing her at a party, so this leaves me to believe that whoever picked her up that night had plans to be "alone" with her.
JMO
Gil did write the poem, it is her way of expressing the horror we have expereinced and continue to live. dan
Am following along on the social networking thoughts and her reason for leaving the arena.
Iirc, there is a place (within FBl?) where users can post about music they like, shows they are seeing, and so forth, and MH (apparently) posted there, with the seat location of their tickets. Sorry I don't have the actual link, and she didn't use her name, but it seems plausible it was her. So, yes, a cyber-stalker would have known.
But, despite the stories of stalkers lurking around women's places of work, places they are shopping, and so forth, it seems unlikely (but not impossible) for someone to have been "waiting" for MH, assuming she would be coming out to the car she came in at the end of the concert, and then "luckily" finding her wandering alone a couple of hours early, perhaps in an inebriated state.
And I personally don't buy that she left to meet up with someone...there would be text/call evidence, I would think (though that may be known but withheld).
I recall seeing that LE reported it as a "blitz attack," but they also reported that she was last seen hitchhiking. Last known sightings are usually reported as being on Copeley Bridge, but some I've seen say the actual Copeley/Ivy intersection (which would provide a much straighter shot to 29 or 64). And how did the purse get back to Lannigan Lot (or did she leave it/lose it there before hitching)?
As to who she got in a car with if not a stranger, whether by initial choice or forced abduction, then I'm with the folks who think it was someone she kind of knew or thought she could trust. Remember, she wasn't a UVA student, though her brother was a grad, and the family lived in C'ville until she was 10, but I'm thinking someone wearing a Va Tech shirt, hat, bumper sticker could seem safe.
And if so, where did they go? Obviously we don't know whether this was something that began as a different scenario (let's go party, stay warm, whatever) then escalated (perhaps as advances were rebuffed or because of an accident) or whether the person had bad intent from the start, nor where the actual crime scene was (AF farm or somewhere else).
I recall an early unconfirmed report of a dog on a search picking up a scent at a bar/restaurant near the Amtrak station. And there was the report of the frantic youth who pulled up at Boyd Tavern, east of town...and other unconfirmed sightings at UVA, Crozet, Orange within the next 48 hours...all of which are probably wrong and irrelevant, but may bear exploring again, as at least an intellectual exercise.
It is heartbreaking to see the pain of these poor parents...I think we all can only hope and pray that more resolution is found here, and that this horrible person is caught....remember that "he' is out there, and other women are at risk too
I just feel that IF there was some person in Morgan's past that this would be out there, common knowledge by now...I have stated my various thought out reasons why there is no such ex boyfriend, jilted lover or whatever
LE doesn't hold back that info...the "ex" would have been questioned, we would have heard about him
I also feel that the idea that someone was following Morgan is not viable...
I go by statistics...permutations, probablities
and Occam's razor...which can mean the "simplest" solution is probably right, but also means that the solution with the least amount of needed variables is probably right
in this case, sorry, the variables are too "iffy"....a stalker would have to find the info online, get down there, negotiate a crowded concertgoer's parking lot, then would have to "hope" that at some point Morgan would do the unlikely combination of 1) leaving arena 2) being in an "altered state"...3) knowing ahead that her phone would not work , battery would fall out 4) supposing that her debit card was low on funds 5) "figuring" out at what time, which exit Morgan would come out...6) and so on and so on
sorry but way too much "by chance"
as I have pointed out before...Morgan lived in an apartment...she went to classes, had places she hung out and friends she hung out with and like most college kids this stuff was probably happily shared on social media sites...
so
why would this stalker pick this concert night? The "odds" are that someone who loved Metallica and was excited about the concert would not be out in the parking lot....how would he "know' this would occur?? Psychic>? sorry I don't think so
Likewise...I think that IF Morgan had some new "forbidden" love interest she wanted to keep secret, she would NOT set up this meeting at the very time she was supposed to be at a concert that cost $$ and that she was looking forward to enjoying
again>>> I feel this was a horrible series of bad events...almost a "Perfect Storm" of bad events...bad decisions....intangible factors like a cell phone that kept losing it's battery added to this...
and most of all a very very wrong person
IF Morgan had met up with a decent person maybe she would have misssed the concert, maybe had to reconsider how/when who to "party" with...maybe been hungover...maybe if it became known , been ashamed or embararessed
but let's not forget...some creep is out there, someone turned this into this nightmare, and he is still out there
the simple answer>>> some creep picked her up and it all went wrong from there
no conspiracy, no preplanned targeting and no "ex" or past relationship
Makes sense to me JMO
Am following along on the social networking thoughts and her reason for leaving the arena.
Iirc, there is a place (within FBl?) where users can post about music they like, shows they are seeing, and so forth, and MH (apparently) posted there, with the seat location of their tickets. Sorry I don't have the actual link, and she didn't use her name, but it seems plausible it was her. So, yes, a cyber-stalker would have known.
But, despite the stories of stalkers lurking around women's places of work, places they are shopping, and so forth, it seems unlikely (but not impossible) for someone to have been "waiting" for MH, assuming she would be coming out to the car she came in at the end of the concert, and then "luckily" finding her wandering alone a couple of hours early, perhaps in an inebriated state.
And I personally don't buy that she left to meet up with someone...there would be text/call evidence, I would think (though that may be known but withheld).
I recall seeing that LE reported it as a "blitz attack," but they also reported that she was last seen hitchhiking. Last known sightings are usually reported as being on Copeley Bridge, but some I've seen say the actual Copeley/Ivy intersection (which would provide a much straighter shot to 29 or 64). And how did the purse get back to Lannigan Lot (or did she leave it/lose it there before hitching)?
As to who she got in a car with if not a stranger, whether by initial choice or forced abduction, then I'm with the folks who think it was someone she kind of knew or thought she could trust. Remember, she wasn't a UVA student, though her brother was a grad, and the family lived in C'ville until she was 10, but I'm thinking someone wearing a Va Tech shirt, hat, bumper sticker could seem safe.
And if so, where did they go? Obviously we don't know whether this was something that began as a different scenario (let's go party, stay warm, whatever) then escalated (perhaps as advances were rebuffed or because of an accident) or whether the person had bad intent from the start, nor where the actual crime scene was (AF farm or somewhere else).
I recall an early unconfirmed report of a dog on a search picking up a scent at a bar/restaurant near the Amtrak station. And there was the report of the frantic youth who pulled up at Boyd Tavern, east of town...and other unconfirmed sightings at UVA, Crozet, Orange within the next 48 hours...all of which are probably wrong and irrelevant, but may bear exploring again, as at least an intellectual exercise.
Although I don't think it's an ex I do think it highly possible it is someone she knew even slightly.
Morgan had a love of music and the fact that her body was found in the vicinity of a place where band(s) played imo can't be discounted.
She may have known the perp and got into the car willingly... she might not have know he was interested in her.
If it's a SO in the area... I feel he has legal help or financial help to NOT have been cited as a POI in the case.
There are a lot of groups on Facebook and Myspace where the members can post and reply about bands they like.
I do believe it was said that Morgan had posted about the Metallica concert
it was posted here that she had the Metallica concert in her Facebook events list, hundreds of people had access to that.
Meow333 wrote:
Do you have a link to where LE reported a "blitz style" attack on Morgan? I did google some profilers had mentioned that, however as for LE saying that, i can't find it, perhaps i missed it somewhere..
I believe you are correct that LE has never said that. A reporter interviewed an outside expert who suggested that the evidence in this case was consistent with a blitz attack. I believe it was in an article that ran right after one of the news conferences--either with the new tipline or the discovery of MH.
I had asked on the other thread if Morgan had posted online about her plans. I don't see why not; she was excited about the concert and I think it's likely she did mention it on FB or myspace and elsewhere online.
I think it was her flickr account that had weird messages from an older guy in Massachusetts. Someone who just happened upon her pictures and was smitten with her to a point. It's not inconceivable that someone either happened upon her FB, myspace, classmates (whatever) page or actually knew her from VT, UVA, high school, through friends of friends, etc., and was keeping up with her posts. And I don't think it was necessarily someone she was aware of or had befriended online, and I don't think it was necessarily a college-age person. I've gone on FB and myspace and searched for old friends and people I haven't seen or heard from for years and was able to find them. It's not a stretch (IMO) to think that perhaps someone who knew her from afar (as it were) had done the same. And even if she never outright posted she was attending the concert, it's also quite possible that a comment from a friend would have made that clear.
She doesn't work in retail, if you mean he could have accessed her going to and from work. He's much older that she is... late 60's I think.