VA - Nicole Lovell, 13, Blacksburg, 27 January 2016 #6 *Arrests*

[tlcya]

which reminded me of this:

A search warrant filed in Roanoke Circuit Court and dated February 1 states “Keepers informed investigators that she used her Facebook account as a means of communication with Eisenhauer regarding this crime.”

http://wsls.com/2016/03/02/keepers-...to-discuss-nicole-lovell-crime-warrant-shows/

Social media played such a big role in this crime. Not just in the communications between young Nicole and DE but between DE and NK in the planning of this crime.

 

[Jinkasaurus]

This is a tiny bit off topic, but related to some posts in the past couple of days. I don't know if this is the group that works with Dateline's To Catch a Predator, but I think it might be- http://www.perverted-justice.com/ - anyway, I once worked with a man who got caught by this group trying to meet a teenage boy for sex.

From their site:

"In most states, simply communicating sexually with someone you believe to be a minor IS a crime. Unfortunately, the laws do vary greatly from state to state. There is little uniformity across the country in regards to this issue, from what constitutes an offense to the amount of time someone will serve."

If you have the stomach for it- you can read the chat logs of the guys that have been convicted. Its pretty disgusting. I was able to see my co-worker's profile photo and his chat log. He was someone who I never once had any strange vibes from at all. It was quite disturbing.

 

[BUF]

Hearing in Nicole Lovell case to be delayed for DE, NK will still appear on March 28....

(For DE) The defense asked for the continuance and the Commonwealth did not object, according to the clerk’s office.

http://wsls.com/2016/03/22/hearing-in-nicole-lovell-case-to-be-delayed/

 

[BUF]

Looks like the hearing for both DE & NK are now postponed...

Montgomery County Commonwealth's Attorney Mary Pettitt announced that the Preliminary Hearing for David Eisenhauer, 18, of Columbia, MD, and Natalie Keepers, 19, of Laurel, MD, scheduled for Monday, March 28th, has been "continued."
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Pettitt said in an email Wednesday that defense attorneys needed more time to prepare, and her office has not received the final medical examiner's report on Lovell.

http://wset.com/news/local/hearing-postponed-in-nicole-lovell-case

 

[Hoosgirl]

Not surprised. I also won't be surprised if one or both don't waive the prelim, or if it goes to a grand jury instead.

 

[BrownRice]

So no hearings today?

 

[Bootsctr]

Looks like the hearing for both DE & NK are now postponed...

Montgomery County Commonwealth's Attorney Mary Pettitt announced that the Preliminary Hearing for David Eisenhauer, 18, of Columbia, MD, and Natalie Keepers, 19, of Laurel, MD, scheduled for Monday, March 28th, has been "continued."
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Pettitt said in an email Wednesday that defense attorneys needed more time to prepare, and her office has not received the final medical examiner's report on Lovell.

http://wset.com/news/local/hearing-postponed-in-nicole-lovell-case

What is the hold up on the final ME report on Nicole? They already said her cause of death was stabbing.

Nicole is still at the morgue and hasn't been buried yet? Could they still be waiting for drug testing to return?

Thanks for the update BUF!

 

[Bootsctr]

Not surprised. I also won't be surprised if one or both don't waive the prelim, or if it goes to a grand jury instead.

What does this mean? Sorry if I'm being a bit dense, but is this a ploy to buy more time for the defendants? I can't see a GJ recommending anything other than trial? I think they're overwhelmed with evidence and trying to sort out Ms. Keepers' involvement was more than just watching DE kill Nicole.

 

[Hoosgirl]

What does this mean? Sorry if I'm being a bit dense, but is this a ploy to buy more time for the defendants? I can't see a GJ recommending anything other than trial? I think they're overwhelmed with evidence and trying to sort out Ms. Keepers' involvement was more than just watching DE kill Nicole.

In Virginia at least, cases can proceed forward either by the judge ruling so after hearing what is presented at a preliminary hearing, or if the Commonwealth's Attorney takes it directly to the grand jury and obtains an indictment.

Defendants either want to see the state's case at the prelim, or may be advised by their attorney to waive the prelim (I think to avoid details getting out to the public).

JMO ... I am not a lawyer and pretty much all of this I learned on WS, so take it for what it's worth lol.

 

[Bootsctr]

Thank you! We sure aren't getting any details...

 

[BUF]

David Eisenhauer’s preliminary hearing has been rescheduled for May 20, following a delay earlier this month.
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The hearing for Natalie Keepers, the second person facing charges in the case was also delayed. A new date has not yet been set.

http://wsls.com/2016/03/30/hearing-rescheduled-for-david-eisenhauer-in-nicole-lovell-case/

 

[BUF]

Looks like hearings for both DE & NK are now scheduled for May 20th at 9:00 am.

http://wsls.com/2016/03/30/hearing-rescheduled-for-david-eisenhauer-in-nicole-lovell-case/

 

[HastingsChi]

There is so much about this tragedy I don't understand:
- What was the motivation? Had she threatened to "tell on him"? If the "relationship" wasn't going well, why would she meet him?

- Why murder her? One would think that the odds are far better that he could win he said, she said allegations compared to the odds of getting away with murdering a white girl from suburbia.

- Why involve Keepers? I mean, how does that conversation begin?
"What are you doing this weekend?" "I have to murder this underage child who might out me as a child molester; if you're not busy, you're welcome to join me." "Ok that sounds great."

I can get one person being that messed up that they'd kill a child but getting some girl that you've known for less than a semester to join in is mind boggling.

Does anyone know if law enforcement are looking into additional people who met Nicole through KIK or other social media and took advantage of her? Because they too deserve to be held accountable if they exist.

 

[BrownRice]

What is the hold up on the final ME report on Nicole? They already said her cause of death was stabbing.

Nicole is still at the morgue and hasn't been buried yet? Could they still be waiting for drug testing to return?

Thanks for the update BUF!

What? That is horrible! Where did you read that?

 

[Bootsctr]

I don't understand anything about this case either. It's another senseless death, just because they could.

From the beginning LE has been adamant the motive was Lovell going to expose her relationship with DE:

Eisenhauer and Lovell had an inappropriate relationship. That's according to investigators on this case. They also report Lovell was going to expose that relationship and investigators believe Eisenhauer stabbed her to prevent that.

http://wset.com/news/local/suspect-in-13-year-olds-murder-in-court-today

Strictly an opinion, but I think Nicole could have been pregnant, OR she was telling DE she was pregnant.

Police have said Eisenhauer had a previous online relationship with Lovell, which he allegedly used to abduct and kill her.

http://www.fredericksburg.com/news/...cle_70e268da-cb75-11e5-a6e0-9bad603856bd.html

Keepers' motive was different from DE's motive.

Keepers' motive, Pettitt told the judge, was that she was "excited to be part of something secretive and special."

I, too, would like to have hear exactly how they struck up this conversation and exactly what was said. It's just so evil, my brain cannot or refuses to go there. I do think Natalie was/is infatuated with DE. I don't think she required much convincing. A sicko who thinks that she should get special treatment because she was bullied too 5 years ago, "and Keepers' were of the emotional variety: suicidal thoughts, cutting herself, stress and anxiety that required medication."

"She's also allergic to the gluten in jail food, Olin added."

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime...ays-she-too-was-bullied/ar-BBp9QaK?li=BBnb7Kz

As far as LE looking into other adult men Nicole had contact with online social media, we can only hope. The legal battle going on with the one of the Apple phones used by San Bernardino shooters and hacking into accounts may not be pursued unfortunately. See Jinkasaurus' post above #483

"In most states, simply communicating sexually with someone you believe to be a minor IS a crime. Unfortunately, the laws do vary greatly from state to state. There is little uniformity across the country in regards to this issue, from what constitutes an offense to the amount of time someone will serve."

http://www.perverted-justice.com/?con=cseli606

:sigh:

 

[Bootsctr]

What? That is horrible! Where did you read that?

I didn't read that Nicole is still in the morgue, just questioning because Ms. Pettitt said that but I haven't seen an obituary posted either. Sad to say, but she's probably still evidence at this point. Please, if anyone has seen that Nicole has been buried or cremated, would you be so kind to post it. I will search now too, but I was questioning Ms. Pettitt's reason for DE's and NK's hearings being delayed.

The hearings had been scheduled for March 28. Last week, however, Pettitt said the defense attorneys requested more time to prepare. Also, prosecutors had not received a medical examiner's report on the girl's death, she said in a statement.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/crime/bs-md-va-tech-hearings-20160330-story.html

ETA: I'm a dumb-dumb.

Lovell, Nicole Madison posted 2 months ago February 3rd, 2016

Lovell, Nicole (Coley) Madison, 13, of Blacksburg, went to be with the Lord on Saturday, January 30, 2016. She was born in Radford, Va. on May 3, 2002. She was preceded in death by her paternal grandmother, Sandy Wilhoit; paternal grandfather, William James Lovell, Sr. She was a member of Auburn Baptist Church. Nicole had a passion for singing and dancing.She is survived by her mother, Tammy Bell Weeks; her father, David Madison Lovell; her papaw and nannie, Fred and Linda Hawks; two brothers, Blaine McGuire and Anthony Weeks; a sister, MacKenzie Foster; great granny, Annie Reynolds; her uncle, Fred Allen Hawks, Jr.; Godmothers, Sadie McGuire, Angie Wilson, and Christy Bishop; grandfather, Norman Wilhoit, uncle and aunt, Billy and Tiffany Lovell, aunt and uncle, Dick and Ruthann Leonard; and numerous family and friends.The family would like to say a special thank you to Save the Next Girl organization. Sergeant Brewster, Detective Twigger, Chief Wilson, Lt. Self, Lt. Albert and Chaplain Obenchain; the Blacksburg Police Department, the Virginia State Police, FBI, Virginia Tech Police, Montgomery County Sheriff's Office, Christiansburg Police Department and surrounding Law enforcement agencies and the support from the community.Funeral services will be held at 3 p.m. Thursday, February 4, 2016 in the McCoy Funeral Home Chapel with the Rev. Josh Blankenship and the Rev. Shake Smith officiating. Interment will follow in the Memorial Gardens of the New River Valley. The family will receive friends from 5 to 8 p.m. Wednesday evening at McCoy Funeral Home, Blacksburg.

http://www.roanoke.com/obituaries/l...cle_bdb6775a-2a66-5444-9b28-139c94fd9bef.html

I knew there was a memorial service per the FB notice. They were expecting something like 700 people, but I think in the end the weather prevented many people from attending the Memorial service.

My apologies! They must just be waiting for results of drug testing still as the reason Ms. Pettitt has not received the final medical examiners report. Again, so sorry!

 

[kdg411]

http://www.journalnow.com/news/crime/hearing-scheduled-in-slaying-of-virginia-teen-nicole-lovell/article_4d103655-2211-541f-8b47-92c145698ced.html

Posted: Thursday, March 31, 2016 10:46 am

Associated Press

Prosecutor Mary Pettitt says in an email that the hearing is now scheduled for May 20 in Montgomery County Juvenile and Domestic Relations Court. The hearing originally was set for last Monday, but both sides needed more time.

 

[Cryptic]

The article cited above (use of the plural hearings) implies that there will be seperate hearings for the defendents. This could also indicate that there will be a seperate trial for each defendent.

 

[jbelle]

To clarify my post a few pages back:

I realize it is illegal in most places to communicate sexually with a minor. I just feel that if Nicole didn't have proof they met in person (telling her young friends they did is not proof), her age is set at 18 on Social Media, and David is 18, it could look like he was looking for a girl around his age. I just honestly don't believe that law enforcement would have taken it that serious if Nicole was not harmed, especially if they looked at her social media accounts where David met her and saw the age lie and all the older guys. LE would have told her parents to keep an eye on her like they did in another case I followed. LE had to track this guy down online. I don't think they'd have gotten warrants or used those resources if she was alive and well. Look at how serious everyone took it when her friend at school tried to tell and get her help?

Like I said, David could clearly see these men and how they talk to Nicole, and yet she never retaliated against them. She was caught talking to older men and judging from the timing, most likely David, on her phone saying lord knows what (her Dad said it was bad) and what happened? She lost her phone privileges for a short period of time. No one went after David or any of the other guys. If he was so worried he could have cut contact right then and if the parents still somehow confronted him later he could have said he didn't know her age but when he found out she got in trouble and why, he cut things off. This wasn't all that complicated to get out of at all.

And honestly, David knew what he was doing. Nicole didn't have a real name for him, he met her near her home the time they met according to her, so she didn't know where he lived either.
She was smitten with him. I don't believe that he couldn't have come up with some story about why he wouldn't be able to see her for a while, it would have only taken a few sweet words. Then he could have drifted off until she found a new "boyfriend".

Then there is the BIGGEST reason I have for not believing he only killed her because she was going to tell. If this guy thought he covered his tracks well enough to get away with murder, he must have felt he covered his tracks well enough for the relationship with Nicole. He used the same methods and mode of communication to set up both the relationship and the murder. Well, all that plus the 3 extra weeks he gave her to possibly tell.

I firmly believe that if this was about fear of getting caught and being humiliated publicly and having his life ruined, he'd have done this deed all by himself. There was no need for a second person.

This is all just my opinion and I respect and enjoy reading others, I am no expert on law or psychology so my view could be completely wrong in the end. Lord knows, that has happened often enough!
My opinion would definitely change if Nicole turned out to be pregnant as some have speculated, but for some reason I really don't think she was chosen for sex. I feel she was chosen because they thought it would be easy to lure her out and to kill her.

 

[wyome]

To clarify my post a few pages back:

I realize it is illegal in most places to communicate sexually with a minor. I just feel that if Nicole didn't have proof they met in person (telling her young friends they did is not proof), her age is set at 18 on Social Media, and David is 18, it could look like he was looking for a girl around his age. I just honestly don't believe that law enforcement would have taken it that serious if Nicole was not harmed, especially if they looked at her social media accounts where David met her and saw the age lie and all the older guys. LE would have told her parents to keep an eye on her like they did in another case I followed. LE had to track this guy down online. I don't think they'd have gotten warrants or used those resources if she was alive and well. Look at how serious everyone took it when her friend at school tried to tell and get her help?

Like I said, David could clearly see these men and how they talk to Nicole, and yet she never retaliated against them. She was caught talking to older men and judging from the timing, most likely David, on her phone saying lord knows what (her Dad said it was bad) and what happened? She lost her phone privileges for a short period of time. No one went after David or any of the other guys. If he was so worried he could have cut contact right then and if the parents still somehow confronted him later he could have said he didn't know her age but when he found out she got in trouble and why, he cut things off. This wasn't all that complicated to get out of at all.

And honestly, David knew what he was doing. Nicole didn't have a real name for him, he met her near her home the time they met according to her, so she didn't know where he lived either.
She was smitten with him. I don't believe that he couldn't have come up with some story about why he wouldn't be able to see her for a while, it would have only taken a few sweet words. Then he could have drifted off until she found a new "boyfriend".

Then there is the BIGGEST reason I have for not believing he only killed her because she was going to tell. If this guy thought he covered his tracks well enough to get away with murder, he must have felt he covered his tracks well enough for the relationship with Nicole. He used the same methods and mode of communication to set up both the relationship and the murder. Well, all that plus the 3 extra weeks he gave her to possibly tell.

I firmly believe that if this was about fear of getting caught and being humiliated publicly and having his life ruined, he'd have done this deed all by himself. There was no need for a second person.

This is all just my opinion and I respect and enjoy reading others, I am no expert on law or psychology so my view could be completely wrong in the end. Lord knows, that has happened often enough!
My opinion would definitely change if Nicole turned out to be pregnant as some have speculated, but for some reason I really don't think she was chosen for sex. I feel she was chosen because they thought it would be easy to lure her out and to kill her.

I completely agree with everything you stated above. I understand the "afraid of Nicole exposing an inappropriate relationship" is the prosecution's theory at this point, but for the reasons you stated so well above, I'm not buying it.

I keep saying there must be something more to this story. I can't figure out for the life of me what that could be. Maybe it is as simple as a couple of teenagers that developed a friendship and decided to stalk and kill a child for the thrill of it. Maybe it is that simple. I don't know.

And I don't believe that Nicole was pregnant. Nicole would have shared with friends the details of that kind of intimacy, I'm sure. I'm not convinced, based on what little information that's been released, that David and Nicole had even met together in person before that fateful night.