Thanks marymcd.
I was sure I looked at a couple of them.
Now I can't find them. Thank-you for the link.
Why would they cancel them?
Verdict: GUILTY for both Millard and Smich of 1st degree murder #3
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Thanks marymcd.
I was sure I looked at a couple of them.
Now I can't find them. Thank-you for the link.
Why would they cancel them?
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They could be just closed until her trial begins.
Now that you mention a second thread, I remember reading through 2 of them as well. Here is the second:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...ch-chgd-w-Murder-Christina-Noudga-Accessory-3
Wasn't there something in the media about her being accepted to a medical school out of the country? I have a vague recollection of it coming up through her lawyer or some legal proceeding.
I searched and couldn't find anything, but I do remember some speculation that might be an option for her once this is all over for her.
I wouldn't be so bold as to try to suggest what the Bosma's do and don't care about, personally.
Perhaps if it was just about money, one wouldn't care about some small pittance of a donation from the proceeds of the book about their family member's murder because they expect to someday be awarded a judgement of up to $14m. Unless they needed that money for lawyers now to help them win that $14m, then they might care.
Or perhaps they might care just because they care about their charity and they care about the death of their loved one and they may feel that if someone is going to write a book about their loved one's murder, they would hope that it wouldn't be just for the financial profit of the author. If it was me, I would feel that in order to keep the memory sacred, in order not to feel like their death was being exploited for profit, a token would have to be given in recognition of the sacrifice the family makes by having their heartbreak out there for everyone to buy. That is why it is quite normal for authors who write books about tragic events to dedicate a portion to the family of the victim or the victim's charity. I'm not sure why this is surprising to anyone, it's quite normal, it morally ethical and completely legal, hell, it's even a tax write off for the author, not that they should need that sort of incentive.
I know when I am considering buying a work of nonfiction based on a true crime, I need to know a portion of the proceeds are going to the family, otherwise I feel like I am just exploiting the tragedy further. When I buy a book about the lowland gorillas, I expect a portion to go to their conservation efforts, when I buy a book about 9/11, I expect a portion of the proceeds to go to the victim's or the first responders, and when I buy a book about a true crime, I expect a portion to go to the victim's family.
It's not the same as reading a newspaper article, and although it is a job for an author and that's how they make their bread, the subject that they chose dictates whether or not they should be giving a portion of the proceeds to charity. Lots of people are in careers where it is expected that they give back a portion of their pay to a certain cause. Look at how much are teachers expected to spend out of pocket on supplies these days. Do you think doctors who work for sick kids don't give a portion of their pay to the hospitals charities or other causes within their hospital? In some professions, that's just the norm, and you accept that when you picked that job.
But this discussion is probably moot, I'm sure the permission of the family was sought and that a token of respect and gratitude was offered, like normal, I'm just curious why it was said before that the book would be about DM and his early life and not about the trial or crime, and that was why proceeds wouldn't be going to the family. Obviously that's changed so I have to assume the proceeds arrangement has changed too.
I just did a fairly lazy search and couldn't find anything either. What I recall was not that it was speculative, but that she has been accepted to a medical program and that it is out of the country. But as I said, it's a fairly vague recollection.
Everyone was so caught up in the salacious details they didn't bother to expose a lie. It seems highly improbable but how is the lie easily proven?
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A drinking and driving conviction can prevent entry into some countries when you are travelling, and I expect that a AATF-to-murder charge might limit one's globetrotting even further. CN might not be able to get into another country to study after her conviction.
Imagine she gets 5 years - and is paroled early. She can start her studies but she would have parole conditions like sticking around the province.
Imagine she gets 5 years - and is paroled early. She can start her studies but she would have parole conditions like sticking around the province.
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Yes, even Crown Tony Leitch was seemingly blindsided by her testimony about the "salacious details" (nicely put). But, IF (and it's definitely an "if") CN was lying about what was said or done on that drive, and the Croiwn had evidence to prove it, it was likely under a publication ban if there were (for example) references to LB, WM or even specifics about what CN knew. That would explain why she was not confronted at that time about any possible inconsistencies.
The thing is, any evidence the Crown had against CN would have been disclosed to her legal team already, and she would have known what they had. One would think - but I'm past making assumptions about this crowd based upon what a reasonable person would do - that she would not testify on the stand to anything that could be clearly disproved by evidence in the Crown's possession, such as texts or iMessages or whatever.
If it turns out the Crown has in its possession written documentation that contradicts CN's sworn testimony in the B. trial, well then, that would be how she could be shown to have perjured herself. But we do not know yet what they have, so all we can do is speculate.
It's possible some of the redacted bits in DM's letters refute her testimony - but since they were presumably authored by DM, their veracity as revealing CN's state of mind or knowledge at the time could be disputed.
But, I'm guessing the reason for an upgrade in her legal representation after the trial was a realization on someone's part that she was in a whole heap of trouble. We shall see.
It's got to be a fairly high bar to prove she knew she was helping to cover up a murder. I'm very much looking forward to the evidence. If it's weak I'd probably be prepared to accept that she didn't know the gravity of what he was trying to cover up. In many ways they're easy to typecast - he the philandering, manipulative, ****** boyfriend who always kept her a little emotionally unbalanced with his calculated distance and she the self-absorbed, amoral, trying-too-hard girlfriend trying to be cool and dependable and not ask too many questions lest she rock the boat of her relationship. It's possible the case is weak-ish but she was so infuriating, uncooperative and morally disgusting that they just threw the book at her anyway.
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All I remember is the speculation. Dungey was asking about her education and asked if she wanted to go into medicine. She said she had been accepted into grad school. It was a tweet from the infamous Lisa H who said that it was "medical" school she had been accepted to, rather than "grad" school that was reported by the more reliable Molly H. There is quite a bit of discussion on it starting here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?306864-Bosma-Murder-Trial-05-03-16-Day-44&p=12520876#post12520876
and it continues more later in the thread. If there are any links to show that it is true that she has been accepted to a school out of country, or even that it is actually a medical doctor (rather than say, a doctor of chiropractics) that is her goal, you may find something in that thread.
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The point I was trying to make was that it isn't clear whether it was grad school or med school, but also that her becoming a "medical doctor" has never been established to my knowledge. "Going into medicine" doesn't necessarily mean a medical doctor. Psychiatry is also a medicine, as is osteopathy and orthopedics. Generally, when people use the term medical doctor, they mean a doctor you go to when you don't feel good (for lack of a better way of saying it).
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The term "medical doctor" generally refers to someone holding an M.D. (Doctor of Medicine) degree, regardless of what area of the field s/he practices in. An osteopath is not a medical doctor, nor is a chiropractor, optometrist, or naturopath, some of whom are entitled in Ontario to use the title "Dr."
A psychiatrist or orthopedic specialist however is a medical doctor, and holds an MD degree with advanced professional training and certification in his or her specialty.
Since the trial testimony did not clarify precisely what program in grad school CN had been admitted to, we can't be certain it was a program leading to an MD degree. A degree in kinesiology would be more likely to lead into a field such as physiotherapy or chiropractic. Normally MD programs require a strong background in mathematics and sciences. I didn't hear that CN had those things (though perhaps she did).
BTW, is CN enrolled in a degree program now? I thought she had graduated from York.
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Yes, that's what I was trying to say, only you have much better terminology. Thank you. Many people seemed to think it meant that she was going to be a medical doctor.
Purchased ABro's book on the weekend, and it is very well written. About half way through so far. Interesting to learn that yet another "girlfriend" of DM met her demise prior to the LB/WM/TB deaths. Seems as though death and chaos follow him.
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And let's not forget WM's mechanic friend who died when he fell off scaffolding while him and DM were working on a airplane in a hanger many years earlier ... hmmmm
Yes, that elderly man too... thanks for the reminder. Seems as though DM is either very unlucky to be surrounded by people dying that are near him, or something is definitely up.....