verdict watch 5/8/2013 #3

[kscornfed]

If the Jury finds Killer Arias guilty of Murder 1, then begin the next phase of trial...do they go back to being mum with each other? Not allowed to discuss the case with each other? (of course, they cannot discuss with outside world)

i would think it would be just like the first phase, where they aren't to discuss the testimony they're hearing until it's all in.

 

[cricket49]

Wow! What a coincidence! You didn't get married in Denmark, did you?

No. Is that where you got married?

(Great minds can't always think alike...sometimes we stray)

:floorlaugh:

 

[Mr.Midnight]

:seeya: WAT is hilarious ... I see he has a "dictionary" ... and will have to check it out !

[video=youtube;CORPnpZKuoM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CORPnpZKuoM[/video]

 

[ElleElle]

Great post and thanks for looking at this objectively. :rocker: Yes, I have a feeling 1 or 2 jurors are not swaying from M2 or a lesser charge.

Also, was there Travis abusing towards Jodi is another one to sort out. :facepalm:

I view the longer than anticipated jury deliberation time pessimistically.

True enough – the trial lasted 4 months BUT the jury sat for some 4-5 hours during each 2-3 day long work week.
The relevant material was presented during the state’s case in chief. JA testimony and expert testimony was larded with a substantial amount of blather. One could sum up the defense case succinctly in about 3-4 type written pages.
There was a substantial amount of peripheral material presented to bolster the state’s case.

The fundamental questions are simple to pose:
• FACT = JA did indeed kill TA. She killed him via knife and a gun.
• FACT = JA shot TA in the head and stabbed him in the back and neck.
• Was JA provoked to kill TA either in self-defense OR in the heat of passion?
• Is JA testimony about the June 4 events truthful or credible ie flight into the closet to obtain an unloaded gun? TA rage? JA body- slammed and assaulted by TA?
• Did the state make the case for premeditation based on circumstantial evidence presented – gas cans, cell phone, rental car etc.?
• Did the state make the case for felony murder based on time interval between knife stabs, slit throat, and gunshot wound (or even gunshot wound first)?

Discussion:

The jury sat and listened and understood the content of some 50 days of testimony. They asked questions and received answers. Each juror certainly held an opinion to guilt or degree of guilt by May 4. If 12 jurors leaned towards guilt – it would take no more than 4 hours to parse each of the key questions noted above.
If the jurors were divided between M1 and M2- the deliberation might go on for days.
If some juror or jurors opt for acquittal based on self defense a deadlocked jury is possible.
It seems therefore that after more than 13 hours of deliberation this jury is seriously divided between M1 and M2 or are headed for a deadlock.

 

[Tulessa]

I have on my blue shirt

I just bought a bright blue turquoise sky yankee candle and it is LIT

I cleaned out my blue purse last night and am using it.

Hoping that today is the day!

Got my blue UK Candle burning on my pc desk!:seeya:











and blue jammies:blushing:

ETA. But they are Jimmie Johnson jammies!

 

[AnonymousD]

I'm well traveled and have no trouble with trying new foods, but I must admit I've never had a shrimp sandwich. Are they good?

Woooo lawdy, Sleuth!

Getcha self down here (I'm about 1.5 hours inland from the ocean) & we'll go get one! Tasty, I tell ya.

 

[cinsbythesea]

Did she say this in court?

I don't recall her testifying to that. But they definitely covered it on Dr. Drew. I was just as impressed with her on Dr. Drew's show as I was while she was testifying. She's very special. I can see why Travis was so drawn to her.

 

[iluvmua]

Please come back with M1 and the DP. If this woman is found not guilty, I'm afraid not only will she continue to come after men but women too.

 

[MidwestMama]

She did talk about the cookies! She said it was like something out of Stepford Wives! She's all class Deanna Reid. Wish she could have been on all hour.

She talked about it on Dr Drew, but it did not come up during her testimony on the stand. Dr Drew last night was the first time I heard her talk about that particular event.

 

[Ricki]

ohhhh July 21st is our anniversary too!

29 years (this year), going strong and loving every minute of it! :blowkiss:

:razz:

32 years in June for me. MIL (may she rest in peace) told me a physic told her hubby was going to be a millionaire by time he was 40. Ha ha ha Never happened. I would pick love over money any day.

July 21st ... my birthday.

 

[laniefi]

:floorlaugh: Jection: When Juan Martinez objects he does it so quickly it sounds like he just said “jection”.

He is thinking IN-jection as in LETHAL!

:rockon:

 

[Sleuth5]

No. Is that where you got married?

(Great minds can't always think alike...sometimes we stray)

:floorlaugh:

Yes. We met in Germany while I was in the service, got married in Denmark.

 

[iluvmua]

And is there a reason why Jodi didn't try and kill all her other boyfriends? Why just Travis?

I've never understood that.

 

[rose222]

I bought a blue oversized shirt last week to wear at home. I took it out to wear today for the first time. Only today did I notice a label on the inside of the shirt. It says 'handcuffs' LOL.

 

[momof7]

I agree with a pp...waiting for the jury to arrive is worse than waiting for a verdit!!

I have been thinking about TA and JA's bitter text exchange. I wondered if it is possible that TA was getting ready to have a great account sign on with PPL. These companies have come to our work before, not part of our company but something companies offer as a benefit sometimes. Regardless, is it possible that JA decided to let the little bird slip or did she possibly try to land it herself? She was lying and saying a 'friend' told her TA wasn't interested in the lead? IDK just throwing it out there, it seems that at this time TA was starting to focus back in on PPL and his finances.

I am hoping today is a good day!

K

 

[redkatrampant]

35 years last month! Still can't figure him out!!!

I just learned to pick my battles. And that it is ok if we don't always agree.

Used to, when there was a really long post, we would ~snip~ it if using as a quote in a reply. Would that help the server run faster? :twocents:

OMG YES THIS WOULD!

Pigtails used to keep keep hair from all over crime scene too. Also so Travis couldn't grab her hair by the roots and fight back.

I never thought of this! Thanks button was not enough. You people are so SMART!

If you do get married there will come a time you cant sleep well unless you know your partner is lying right beside you. My hubby is a very early riser (4am) but he is so mindful that I am sleeping and he is very quiet and lets me sleep as long as I want to (6 or 7 am)

I think happy marriages consist of really liking the person they are married to and learn to understand that everything is not a battle that needs winning or fighting. Don't expect perfection unless you are willing to be perfect yourself. Be willing to compromise and be understanding. Show them that you love them and they will show you love in return. Always respect and honor them. Be their best friend who they can trust with their life and finances. Remember they are the partner you will have holding your hand when you leave this earth. There to support your achievements and supports you in time of need. Always remember why you fell in love with them and never try to change what drew you to them in the first place.

Just some of the things I think makes a happy marriage.

Yep. Yep. Yep.

He is my BFF! I do not enjoy things without him. And any new people in our lives quickly learn that. I personally do not want to be apart from him. We even worked together for a few years. I am not looking forward to when he finishes his doctorate and goes back to work. My youngest wants dad to go back to work NOW but she will understand one day.

 

[Sleuth5]

Woooo lawdy, Sleuth!

Getcha self down here (I'm about 1.5 hours inland from the ocean) & we'll go get one! Tasty, I tell ya.

I'm about ready to hop on a plane. Droooool. :floorlaugh:

 

[geevee]

I'm still in a 'fog' over the pics on Travis's camera. Juan stated that JA was not in a fog when she took the time to selectively delete certain photos after she murdered Travis. I think there were 90 pics remaining. If she did perform 'selective editing' why did she leave the gross naked pics on the camera?

Is it possible that the pics of TA and JA were not taken on June 4? The color of JA's pigtails looks much lighter to me than the pic of her after she left the salon in Salinas.
The pigtails seem strangely out of character to me. First of all, JA was in a rush to complete her mission and get to Ryan Burns. She spent some time and $$$ to have her hair colored and styled. Why would she ruin it with pigtails? She looked pretty ratty in the photos - I'm sure she would have had to wash her hair and blow dry it before she left for SLC. Then again, she probably had to wash all the blood splatter out of her hair. I still can't believe they had sex that day - twice! Why didn't she delete the pics?

Oh, and one other thing that caught my attention: when Det. Flores told JA that he had a time-stamped photo of her - naked with pigtails, JA replied "Pigtails"??? She sounded genuinely surprised about the pigtails. Not the fact that there were pics of her taken on the day of the murder...but about the pigtails. She asked him if they could have been taken on another day.

I'm probably barking up the wrong tree, but I can't understand why she didn't delete the pics. Makes no sense....to coin a phrase.

I believe there was testimony that she did delete all the pictures that were taken that day (but not the 90 + that Travis had taken at some earlier date), in JM's closing he mentioned that when the shower pics started she had presumably already deleted the sex pics.

Those (sex pics) were recovered from the unallocated space of the memory stick, so I think JM is correct that they were deleted before the shower pics were taken and were only recoverable as thumbnails with a lot of the EXIF data missing (no time stamp on some of them).

I don't think you're barking up the wrong tree though, I have grave doubts about those sex pics being taken that day. If she was there and they were awake all afternoon, why is Travis' last use of his phone at 12:13 when JodiAnnArias* says they were still asleep?

Her pigtail perk-up was pretty thought provoking, no?

I don't think I'm precognitive or anything but the time of 3:31 has been stuck in my head ever since the jury got the case.

*I think I'm going to use 'JodiAnnArias' when referring to her from now on, I'd like her full name to become synonymous with stabbing, slashing, gunshooting, premeditated murder.

 

[MidwestMama]

You know it is ironic you say that. I had a 20 something in my office last week who has been married all of a year and she told me she calls her husband nasty names.

Now I have been upset with Mr. Lanie a few times, but have NEVER ever called him a name or sworn at him.

I am a believer in the "treat people how you want to be treated" mentality. Not to mention that now we have a 2 1/2 year old around...

I told the lady who was in my office that if she continues along that path, then she won't have to worry about celebrating their 2nd anniversary.

Yes, Mrs. Lanie is brutally honest sometimes....

I agree with what you said to her. Sometimes we need to hear the truth in a short, "brutal" way to get pulled out of our own feelings and see what is truly at stake. I hope she heard you.

 

[jojomonkey]

She did talk about the cookies! She said it was like something out of Stepford Wives! She's all class Deanna Reid. Wish she could have been on all hour.

I hate the Dr Drew show, why do they need 4 people talking to her all at once? Just interview her and let her talk!!!! I hope she gets another chance, if she wants it, to tell her story. I don't know why anyone bothers going on his show, they can't ever finish what they want to say anyway. Does he really think his panel is more interesting than the guest? Ugh.