Victim - Melissa Barthelemy

[deedee21]

Shannans papers were found behind Hacketts home in pristine condition? And then LE showed up at OB like gangbusters. Sounds like a setup to me.

 

[deedee21]

Ela is Megan Waterman's mother. (Personally, I don't believe the killer called her... just based on the one report of a phone call to her work) * It's possible I'm wrong, so please post links if there's additional info!

IIRC, Melissa's family received a total of eight calls from the killer. (Which kinda/sorta interestingly is the same number of calls Larry Gene Bell made to Shari Smith's family back in 1985... after he abducted (and murdered) Shari on May 31 of that year)

JTerry (Melissa's pimp)... I can't remember how many calls he supposedly received.

John Terry did an interview with the Daily Beast. Its on line. He said he received 30 calls over a period of 8 months. He reported it to the police. That would be the NYPD.

 

[LR1]

BBM... Another good question. Why did only Melissa's family receive calls??

Of note: I know it's been stated that Ela received a call at her work (although she wasn't there to answer) that "might have been" from the killer, but I have my doubts.

Welp, out of the original 4 that were killed in a little over 3 years, the gilgo4, she seemed like she would have been the most street smart. She had been at it for awhile at that point and would have had a better idea of the dangers of this way of life. btw, not directed at you but I don't put a lot into this talk that you'd need to lower their guards in order to get them to go off with you. Have we forgotten what their profession entails? You pay them money and they go off with you.

Anyway, Melissa was also the only one less than fully white, her father was Hispanic iirc. I could only guess to what she was like but something tells me she could be a bit of a firecracker when she needed to be. Maybe she did do some damage to him somehow. I do get the feeling everything didn't go as planned with her. He also had a huge problem with her bf if what he told the daily beast is true.

 

[Robert Anderson]

btw, not directed at you but I don't put a lot into this talk that you'd need to lower their guards in order to get them to go off with you. Have we forgotten what their profession entails? You pay them money and they go off with you.

Every one of the victims knew the inherent dangers of working over the internet, and each had their own ways to mitigate the danger.

And I don't buy the big bucks argument. Anyone can offer anything over the phone, and they knew it. You can argue in each case that they were especially desperate but taken as a whole a pattern emerges. A cell phone left behind, a walk taken away from cameras, a trip to Long Island, no need to be picked up from the john's ....I think it's one of the few tangible clues we have as to what sort of person LISK might be. YMMV.

 

[SearchingMike]

I am very interested in what remains of Melissa were discovered by LE after the initial discovery.

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[threelittlebirdies]

Welp, out of the original 4 that were killed in a little over 3 years, the gilgo4, she seemed like she would have been the most street smart. She had been at it for awhile at that point and would have had a better idea of the dangers of this way of life. btw, not directed at you but I don't put a lot into this talk that you'd need to lower their guards in order to get them to go off with you. Have we forgotten what their profession entails? You pay them money and they go off with you.

Anyway, Melissa was also the only one less than fully white, her father was Hispanic iirc. I could only guess to what she was like but something tells me she could be a bit of a firecracker when she needed to be. Maybe she did do some damage to him somehow. I do get the feeling everything didn't go as planned with her. He also had a huge problem with her bf if what he told the daily beast is true.

Maybe he had a longer term relationship with him.

 

[LR1]

Every one of the victims knew the inherent dangers of working over the internet, and each had their own ways to mitigate the danger.

And I don't buy the big bucks argument. Anyone can offer anything over the phone, and they knew it. You can argue in each case that they were especially desperate but taken as a whole a pattern emerges. A cell phone left behind, a walk taken away from cameras, a trip to Long Island, no need to be picked up from the john's ....I think it's one of the few tangible clues we have as to what sort of person LISK might be. YMMV.

I think its a good possibility that Megan had more than one phone, we have that one report that her belongings were found in the hotel. Ambers case seems to be the better possibility of her letting her guard down by not taking the phone, this is also where the 1000 offer talk comes from, and this all if you take Daves word for it. Which I do. My point was by the nature of the profession their guards are lowered. Their in the profession with being/dealing with strangers and that it would take no extra effort from a sk to get one alone with him.

 

[LR1]

Maybe he had a longer term relationship with him.

Long term relationship with Melissa or her father?

 

[Robert Anderson]

Their in the profession with being/dealing with strangers and that it would take no extra effort from a sk to get one alone with him.

They are not just sex workers; they are sex workers using the internet and that carries with it real dangers of which they were all aware.

 

[LR1]

They are not just sex workers; they are sex workers using the internet and that carries with it real dangers of which they were all aware.

The internet yes. You make my point for me, their guards would be inherently lower to begin with because they can't be sure who's going to be there when they show up.

 

[twocuriouscats]

The internet yes. You make my point for me, their guards would be inherently lower to begin with because they can't be sure who's going to be there when they show up.

Don't you mean their guards would be inherently "HIGHER"?

 

[Robert Anderson]

The internet yes. You make my point for me, their guards would be inherently lower to begin with because they can't be sure who's going to be there when they show up.

That does not seem sensible to me but we shall have to agree to disagree.

Here, BTW, is one's escort's safety protocol. The G4 had similar ideas, although we can also argue over the extent to which they followed what had kept them alive until that point.


She takes as many precautions as she can. At first contact on the phone, she listens to clients’ voices to see “if they’re saying things that are weird” or give her “that feeling” in the pit of her stomach. Before agreeing to meet them, she Googles their addresses and looks at their houses. (Anna also requires the info on clients’ driver’s licenses, or two references from other “reputable providers.&#8221 She makes sure a friend knows where she is. For the first meeting, “I have a driver, so when I say, ‘Okay, your session is 45 minutes,’ then I will open the window and show them that the car is parked right outside their house. That’s the way of putting them into the mind-set that people care about me.”

http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/03/sex-workers-legalization-c-v-r.html

 

[fred&edna]

I think its a good possibility that Megan had more than one phone, we have that one report that her belongings were found in the hotel. Ambers case seems to be the better possibility of her letting her guard down by not taking the phone, this is also where the 1000 offer talk comes from, and this all if you take Daves word for it. Which I do. My point was by the nature of the profession their guards are lowered. Their in the profession with being/dealing with strangers and that it would take no extra effort from a sk to get one alone with him.

I see what you're saying.

I haven't researched many killer duos, but it does seem most of them abduct/lure those who are NOT in business of selling sex. There is not a great deal of need to actually "lure" a sex worker.

 

[LR1]

Don't you mean their guards would be inherently "HIGHER"?

I'm thinking by nature they're lowering there guards when they agree to meet with someone there unfamiliar with.

Is it an established fact that all 4 were killed by someone they met through CL? I can see Megan because she was in the Motel room and Amber because of what Dave tells us but Melissa and Maureen I don't feel as confident about.

 

[threelittlebirdies]

Long term relationship with Melissa or her father?

I meant to say, maybe LISK had a longer term relationship with Melissa and that is why he was enraged with her. Like he wanted her to himself and she wouldn't stop tricking and leave the boyfriend/pimp. He needed to justify why he killed her by telling her sister it was because she was a *advertiser censored*.

 

[LR1]

I meant to say, maybe LISK had a longer term relationship with Melissa and that is why he was enraged with her. Like he wanted her to himself and she wouldn't stop tricking and leave the boyfriend/pimp. He needed to justify why he killed her by telling her sister it was because she was a *advertiser censored*.

That is an interesting thought, the circumstances of her setting out that day seemed to be somewhat different than the rest.

I could see him being infatuated with this particular victim.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Amber left her phone because it was being used by another girl who was a friend of Dave's to make dates. Since Amber's date was already set up, she left the phone for them to use. There is no reason to believe the girls "lowered their guard" when meeting the killer. While the husband wife duo is an interesting theory, it's unnecessary and based on the myth that the killer was able to convince the girls to do something they wouldn't normally do.

 

[Robert Anderson]

There is no reason to believe the girls "lowered their guard" when meeting the killer. While the husband wife duo is an interesting theory, it's unnecessary and based on the myth that the killer was able to convince the girls to do something they wouldn't normally do.

The four known LISK victims were experienced online escorts. All four had well defined methods to try to keep themselves safe from online predators. That is not myth or fantasy.

To call it a myth is to ignore facts and possibilities that might help us learn a little bit about LISK.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

The four known LISK victims were experienced online escorts. All four had well defined methods to try to keep themselves safe from online predators. That is not myth or fantasy.

To call it a myth is to ignore facts and possibilities that might help us learn a little bit about LISK.

Hi Robert, then why don't you give one example of one of the four girls doing something outside their well defined safety methods

 

[LindsayLohan6]

it seems like only Maureen, according to Lost girls she usually had a guy go with her and wait nearby. did she always do this though?