Was Burke involved?

[Frigga]

Or- likewise- whose DNA may have been wiped clean from JonBenet?

 

[MyBelle]

Children sexually assault other children every day. It's nothing new. Many prey on the much younger or weaker.

Usually...there is NO evidence of sexual molestation at all....
Without a witness or a complaining witness. There is nothing. Oftentimes it's deemed unsubstantiated because there is no physical evidence.



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It's your opinion children aged nine are sexually assaulted "every day." I've seen nothing that provides a factual basis to support your claim.

Aren't you the same poster who has accused JB's doctor of destroying her medical files and implied it was because he was aware of JB's sexual molestation?

I think it is far more believable and likely that any ongoing sexual molestation of JonBenet was at the hands of an adult.

 

[Frigga]

Statistics show that about 1 in every 25 people may be a sociopath- a person who doesn't feel real empathy for others. Most of these people never rape, kill, mame or murder another person. Most of them will never commit a crime- period.

 

[MyBelle]

... usually these children don't have the parents altering the crimescene and covering up for them either... or inviting friends and their pastor over to clean and contaminate the crimescene, as well.

So, if we're going to compare- let's do it fairly.

Could there have been hair or blood from JonBenet on the completely wiped clean, inside and out (even the batteries) flashlight that may have had Burke Ramsey's DNA and fingerprints all over it? We'll never know.

Could Burke Ramsey have had JonBenets DNA blood, urine, saliva, vaginal secretions on his body, fingertips whatever? We'll never know.

The crimescene was altered and changed. IMO

I asked for some actual case links. This isn't some plot for a tv drama to which posters get to write their own ending.

At some point, common sense has to enter the equation. No jury of adults is going to believe the parents BOTH conspired to contaminate the crime scene to cover the crimes of a nine-year-old rather than their own crimes. That's a laughable defense.

Until I see some real links supporting such theories, I will continue to believe there aren't all that many 9-year-olds sexually assaulting and garroting and then pummeling their little sister's heads into smithereens but that's just my opinion. We all don't have to agree.

 

[Linda7NJ]

BBM

But if Burke killed JB his reaction to killing his sister wasn't troublesome. Still isn't.

That's a huge disconnect in this theory imo.

You lost me.

All of His known reactions after the death of his sister is troublesome.


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[Linda7NJ]

It's your opinion children aged nine are sexually assaulted "every day." I've seen nothing that provides a factual basis to support your claim.



Aren't you the same poster who has accused JB's doctor of destroying her medical files and implied it was because he was aware of JB's sexual molestation?



I think it is far more believable and likely that any ongoing sexual molestation of JonBenet was at the hands of an adult.

No, it's actually a fact that children molest other children daily. You may not be aware of it, it's not typically reported in the media. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Ask any social worker, child victim specialist, children's support services, therapist, forensic interviewer/evaluator.

I never said he destroyed the medical records and whatever inferences you drew from my comments are your own.

Your free to believe whatever you'd like. I would encourage you to base it on facts.
We all have our own theories. I have several.


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[bettybaby00]

Burke was publicly cleared. Publicly naming him now would be incredibly foolish and also accomplish nothing of benefit because he can't be prosecuted. I think the FBI learned their lesson with Richard Jewell.

I also do not believe Colorado is continuing to waste exorbitant taxpayer dollars and resources on an investigation if their main suspect can't be prosecuted. While a Grand Jury proceeding is secret, Hunter was under no obligation to keep the evidence secret whether it be evidence against Burke or anybody else.

If there was any evidence at all that Burke was responsible for either the sexual assault or murder of his sister, Alex Hunter would have had no problem using that evidence to convict his parents of child abuse for their failure in providing him with mental health services and their failure to protect his sister.

all, JMO

BBM

Kolar also tells us that ML was pizzzzzz he was even investigating, he had other cases she wanted him involved with. As soon as he started to say, "hey wait a minute IDI makes zero sense," she wanted him to stop.

That was her priority :banghead:

This is what she wrote, in part, after he tried to get her to CONSIDER looking at the Rs more closely...

Emphasis mine

I hired you as my Chief Investigator in July 2005. At that time, we discussed your role regarding the Ramsey case. I was clear in my direction to you that we would follow-up leads from law enforcement and other credible sources that had indicia of reliability. That decision was based upon recent history that involved Chief Investigator Bennett having to spend an inordinate amount of time responding to leads that were marginal at best. We made a deliberate decision to put our investigatory priorities on recent cases. You obviously disregarded my direction. You proceeded without my approval and without consulting with me.

You requested in your communication of January 5th that your presentation be shared with certain entities in Law Enforcement. It will not be shared with them. We will not be part of this mockery you are trying to market. We take our jobs and our role with regard to this case seriously. When and if we have a serious suspect based upon substantial evidence, we will work closely with all appropriate agencies.

I'm sure many will claim that the language used is somehow indicative of Kolar's failings when in fact, it shows MLs extreme bias, and unwillingness to even look at new findings. B/C there were anomalies found, and questions raised that hadn't been raised before. There was a great deal of info that was kept away from LO, and all she had to do was get a subpoena for it...but she refused.

Unless Kolar kept to the script ML didn't want to hear about the JRB case.

 

[bettybaby00]

Children who commit horrible sex crimes leave evidence. Please cite one sex crime committed by a 9-year-old where there was not one shred of evidence that tied the perp to the crime scene. Thanks.

There were numerous studies cited earlier showing a boy of 9 is more than capable of committing this crime....not going down that path again.

 

[MyBelle]

No, it's actually a fact that children molest other children daily. You may not be aware of it, it's not typically reported in the media. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Ask any social worker, child victim specialist, children's support services, therapist, forensic interviewer/evaluator.

I never said he destroyed the medical records and whatever inferences you drew from my comments are your own.

Your free to believe whatever you'd like. I would encourage you to base it on facts.
We all have our own theories. I have several.


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I am basing my opinions on fact. It is a fact that parents murder their children but that fact isn't evidence Patsy Ramsey sexually assaulted and murdered her daughter. Yet you continue to insist the fact that children sexually assault and murder other children is common and therefore is evidence against BR. To me, that makes no sense whatsoever. I'm just trying to find a thread of logic in your implications and innuendo that a nine-year-old committed this crime.

btw, here's what you said upthread. We have JonBenet's sealed medical files and her doctor willing to destroy them before turning them over. You are implying a cover-up. Who is he covering for?

 

[MyBelle]

There were numerous studies cited earlier showing a boy of 9 is more than capable of committing this crime....not going down that path again.

Studies are a waste of time. 9-year-old boys come in all shapes and sizes and emotional makeup. There is only one boy who was nine in this case and that was BR and I've seen no studies that suggest he was capable of these crimes against his sister.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

Kolar also tells us that ML was pizzzzzz he was even investigating, he had other cases she wanted him involved with. As soon as he started to say, "hey wait a minute IDI makes zero sense," she wanted him to stop.

That was her priority :banghead:

This is what she wrote, in part, after he tried to get her to CONSIDER looking at the Rs more closely...

Emphasis mine



I'm sure many will claim that the language used is somehow indicative of Kolar's failings when in fact, it shows MLs extreme bias, and unwillingness to even look at new findings. B/C there were anomalies found, and questions raised that hadn't been raised before. There was a great deal of info that was kept away from LO, and all she had to do was get a subpoena for it...but she refused.

Unless Kolar kept to the script ML didn't want to hear about the JRB case.

He really didn't come up with any new evidence that could be used against the Ramseys. An undisturbed cobweb on a broken pane of window was useless because the window was opened. No proof who opened it. It is an incredibly giant leap to conclude the Ramseys' 9-year-old son committed this horrific murder.

There is now a different DA. Whatever past DA's didn't do is a waste of energy.

 

[bettybaby00]

Studies are a waste of time. 9-year-old boys come in all shapes and sizes and emotional makeup. There is only one boy who was nine in this case and that was BR and I've seen no studies that suggest he was capable of these crimes against his sister.

JMO

Yet you keep asking for them. I shouldn't say it was you specifically, sorry if it's not you. Someone asked up thread.

Kolar, and others see lots of red flags, none of which were investigated. That's all he asked for was to look at things differently.

 

[MyBelle]

Yet you keep asking for them. I shouldn't say it was you specifically, sorry if it's not you. Someone asked up thread.

Kolar, and others see lots of red flags, none of which were investigated. That's all he asked for was to look at things differently.

I haven't asked for links to research studies or stats. I keep asking for links to specific cases where a nine-year-old has committed a similar crime of sexual assault, garroting and head bashing and cleaning it all up.

Kolar did raise red flags but evidently his boss felt it was past the red flag phase. Hopefully the current Boulder police continue to follow up on any leads.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I haven't asked for links to research studies or stats. I keep asking for links to specific cases where a nine-year-old has committed a similar crime of sexual assault, garroting and head bashing and cleaning it all up.



Kolar did raise red flags but evidently his boss felt it was past the red flag phase. Hopefully the current Boulder police continue to follow up on any leads.

It's unfair to assume everyone with a BDI theory believes Burke did everything alone.
IMO most would agree one or more of his parents helped stage that scene....




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[lawstudent]

Yeah, I can't think of too many scenarios similar to some of the more disturbing the Burke theories. That one in England with the two boys and the toddler haunts me - I'm surprised that no abuse against one of the culprits was discovered - I can't imagine a child thinking it up.

 

[UKGuy]

I haven't asked for links to research studies or stats. I keep asking for links to specific cases where a nine-year-old has committed a similar crime of sexual assault, garroting and head bashing and cleaning it all up.

Kolar did raise red flags but evidently his boss felt it was past the red flag phase. Hopefully the current Boulder police continue to follow up on any leads.

MyBelle,
BDI is more nuanced than how you characterise it above. Few hold the theory that BR solely killed and staged JonBenet's death.

Much more likely is some kind of abusive relationship between JonBenet and BR, which escalated into a fight then the accidental unconciousness of JonBenet.

Enter stage left the parents to mostly cleanup and stage what became the wine-cellar crime-scene.

This theory has a raft of circumstantial evidence to support it, much more than either PDI or JDI. Its offers one reason why JR and PR colluded and why the R's attempted to write BR out of the script, including the 911 call: he was sound asleep in bed!

PDI is a strong contender, it just depends how telepathic JR is, enabling him to interpret the RN as an indirect cue for him to play a specific role and know precisely what to say and act despite not being briefed.

 

[redheadedgal]

I think it is far more believable and likely that any ongoing sexual molestation of JonBenet was at the hands of an adult.

again, research says otherwise:

It is also believed that sexual abuse of minors occurs more often at the hands of a sibling or other minor than at the hands of a parent or other adult.

http://www.outofthefog.net/Relationships/SiblingAbuse.html

 

[Linda7NJ]

The more I think about it... I'm considering that Burke could have bashed her in the head AND strangled her with the rope when she just wouldn't die.
He couldn't let her live. He would get in BIG trouble if she were to tell.
( remember the kid that killed a little neighbor girl and hid her under his waterbed for 8 days until his mother made the discovery?)
It would explain why the extra leverage of the paintbrush handle was used.
He was bright and imaginative enough to have written that note and he couldn't be excused from writing it.

Staging by the adults would have included the wiping down, redressing and wrapping JonBenet in that blanket.


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[MyBelle]

MyBelle,
BDI is more nuanced than how you characterise it above. Few hold the theory that BR solely killed and staged JonBenet's death.

Much more likely is some kind of abusive relationship between JonBenet and BR, which escalated into a fight then the accidental unconciousness of JonBenet.

Enter stage left the parents to mostly cleanup and stage what became the wine-cellar crime-scene.

This theory has a raft of circumstantial evidence to support it, much more than either PDI or JDI. Its offers one reason why JR and PR colluded and why the R's attempted to write BR out of the script, including the 911 call: he was sound asleep in bed!

PDI is a strong contender, it just depends how telepathic JR is, enabling him to interpret the RN as an indirect cue for him to play a specific role and know precisely what to say and act despite not being briefed.

Where is the evidence to support your claim that "much more likely is some kind of abusive relationship between JonBenet and BR"?

There is absolutely no evidence there was an ongoing abusive relationship between the two children. [modsnip]

There is not a "raft of circumstantial evidence" to support your theory. No evidence her horrific death was accidental.

I'll consider such evidence if and when it ever shows up but right now it seems to be incredibly wild speculation about a nine-year-old who may very well be a victim of the same physical and psychological abuse that killed his sister.

JMO

 

[Linda7NJ]

Where is the evidence to support your claim that "much more likely is some kind of abusive relationship between JonBenet and BR"?



There is absolutely no evidence there was an ongoing abusive relationship between the two children. [modsnip]



There is not a "raft of circumstantial evidence" to support your theory. No evidence her horrific death was accidental.



I'll consider such evidence if and when it ever shows up but right now it seems to be incredibly wild speculation about a nine-year-old who may very well be a victim of the same physical and psychological abuse that killed his sister.



JMO

There are post after posts, links after links and thread after thread for YEARS here on the subject. A virtual MOUNTAIN of evidence to support any Ramsey of your choosing working together as well as alone. [modsnip].



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