bbm - so one might assume the first taxi was to go do the deed and the second taxi was he had finished the deed and needed to get back to MS which is when he climbed onto the floor to sleep with MS & MM. So the deed was done between 3 & 6 just like the coroner suggested in a round about way. DM didn't count on rigamortis helping establish a time of death. IMO
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bbm - so one might assume the first taxi was to go do the deed and the second taxi was he had finished the deed and needed to get back to MS which is when he climbed onto the floor to sleep with MS & MM. So the deed was done between 3 & 6 just like the coroner suggested in a round about way. DM didn't count on rigamortis helping establish a time of death. IMO
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Perhaps he did meet up with her. There was talk of JS being with him that night yet nothing’s been heard about that yet.
Well, there isn't anything saying he called the first cab right away at 9. He might have gone to eat afterall, he wasn't going to share their pizza. He might have gone drinking, who knows, or met someone for his "date" in that area then called the cab. IMO
That would not surprise me in the least. By his very nature DM is exploitative...who knows.
Absolutely, and those lies flowed out of his mouth like he was speaking the wholly unvarnished truth. He is truly frightening. I really wish we knew more about his upbringing. Psychopaths are made not born.
these phone calls to taxis have got everyone confused, including me. Someone asked Adam Carter about it and he confirms there were two taxi companies involved:
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"I mention that in the story. He allegedly called a different cab company from his father’s home."
I read his story several times and still didn't clue in that there were 2 cabs. But he picked up the A1 Oakville taxi to take him to Maple Gate and then called City Taxi to take him from Maple Gate to the Smich house. It would also be helpful to know the numbers of each phone, so we know which is which.
That's a bit risky, on DMs part, calling a cab company from the house. I wonder if he used the Bates burner phone that he placed/misplaced so much trust in during the TB murder, or was that purchased later? In any event, luckily, cellphone records have been his downfall.
I'm with you JuneBug67. I had to just go check AC's twitter feed. The cab driver we heard from today was the guy who picked up DM at 6:11am. I guess it was easy for us to assume that he was the driver of the first cab ride because initially the only thing we had heard about a cab at all was that DM called one from MS's place to get presumably to Maple Gate undetected. We hadn't heard about how he got back to MS's. I guess in terms of calling witnesses they didn't need the first cab driver because ultimately all that really needs to be proven is that he was at Maple Gate on the 29th, not that he took a cab to get there. Hoping that makes sense...
Maybe the reason is as simple as it is the plaza farther from MS's house - either to protect MS or to through investigators off the trail if they started looking into his whereabouts that night.
He was the second one (6:11 am) near Maple Gate.
I think what we've heard with regard to JS was that she was at Maple Gate with MB and DM after 911 was called. ABro has noted that while we haven't heard testimony about this yet, we will. Her sense is that the source who reported in MSM that JS was there Nov.29th is accurate.
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As well, DM tried to use his uncle's profession as a vet to fashion an alibi about starting an animal cremation business. His uncle has probably had years of dealing with DM, knows him well and I get the sense that he tried to alert his sister and brother-in-law about DM (his allusion in today's testimony to "made some suggestions") and no action was taken. Whatever reason he has for wanting to keep his children away from DM is probably very justified. DM's deliberate actions culminated in murders that hurt many people.
I've fortunately never had a relative as toxic and as evil as DM but I think his emotions are very understandable (I would feel very similiar if DM was my nephew). Emotions cannot be switched on and off and they don't operate on a timeline, as everyone is different. I know from people who had to deal with the court system (as families of people who've been victims), that the publicity and the court system make it even harder. Families of offenders also find it very difficult.
Not sure if this is helpful but you're right that while they may have walked him to a plaza around 9pm, we know he didn't call a cab til around 1am. Who knows what he was doing....any of things that you mentioned are possibilities. But we know he called a cab and took it to near Maple Gate at around 1am and then called a different, Toronto-based cab company for a cab at 6:11am. At 1 am he may very well have gone straight to Maple Gate, but on arrival heard his dad was still on the phone with JC...until around 3am as per her testimony. He waited til the conversation was done and killed his father...either while he was still awake, while sleeping, or woke him up and killed him. That left a chunk of time to stage things appropriately in his mind to make it look more like a suicide. MOO.
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I’m of the opinion that when DM called AM to come over, he gave him something to take away from the house, such as drugs or weapons, in case the police did a search. I don’t believe it was to keep him company.
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Actually there's quite a bit of debate about that. Dr. Robert Hare (who is probably the best known authority on psychopathy) thinks it's both. He says some people are more inclined to pyschopathy. He says if they have a stable upbringing they are more likely to become nonviolent psychopaths (con men, fraudsters, etc. and can even be successful in business), the violent ones (who are much less common) tend to come from unstable, disturbed homes.
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You've lost me there. I don't recall reading anything about him calling AM....not in November 2012. Can you please post your source?
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Anybody who can lie like he we saw on the video (well, he didn’t seem to lie so much as he left out parts of the truth). What makes you say that psychopaths are made and not born?
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Just some random thoughts about all this mess...
Just the thought of DM rambling around in that house between the time WM hung up the phone with JC and the time DM himself called for a taxi at 6:11 am, makes me wonder exactly what in the heck he was doing. The "deed" itself would have taken mere seconds. Yet, we're looking at 3 hours.
Not only that, this whole, sick, perverted, wicked act was 100% premeditated. He purposely left the one phone at MS's house. Purposely left his CC for a pizza purchase to be made and made plans to have taxis drive him around so his own vehicle wouldn't be spotted. He needed evidence that he was at MS's the whole time.
Plus, this took place after him and MS brutally ended the life of Laura & made sure she'd never be found. Realistically, what are the odds that MS didn't have a clue what DM was actually doing that night? There's no reason to believe MM had any idea what was going on, but almost zero reason to believe MS didn't know.
Just thinking out loud.
Just the thought of DM rambling around in that house between the time WM hung up the phone with JC and the time DM himself called for a taxi at 6:11 am, makes me wonder exactly what in the heck he was doing. The "deed" itself would have taken mere seconds. Yet, we're looking at 3 hours.
Not only that, this whole, sick, perverted, wicked act was 100% premeditated. He purposely left the one phone at MS's house. Purposely left his CC for a pizza purchase to be made and made plans to have taxis drive him around so his own vehicle wouldn't be spotted. He needed evidence that he was at MS's the whole time.
Plus, this took place after him and MS brutally ended the life of Laura & made sure she'd never be found. Realistically, what are the odds that MS didn't have a clue what DM was actually doing that night? There's no reason to believe MM had any idea what was going on, but almost zero reason to believe MS didn't know.
Just thinking out loud.
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When he went outside, after pacing in the driveway, waiting for his mother to arrive, he called his friend “because he didn’t want to be alone”. He spoke of it in the video statement.
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In his 50 minute taped interview with LE, DM stated while he waited for his mom to drive over to the house the night he "discovered" his dad dead, he texted AM and asked him to come over and wait with him.
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