MTR and TLM met in February 2009 and by April 8, 2009, during this short amount of time, both were able to get into the other's psyche.
Why did they do this and why the overkill. How did these two ever broach the subject of carrying out these horrific acts upon a child. I think it is the worst case I have ever followed.
The Genest video does not portray either one of them, the least bit anxious.
It appears both MTR and TLM were able to compartmentalize their despicable acts.
MOO
It was pretty obvious the Crown edited the video to show what they wanted to show..........but I am wondering why Derstine is just letting a lot of things slide by.
I also wondered why he didn't object to all that testimony from endless females testifying to nothing relevant to the trial.
I also wondered about the "escort" and why he didn't ask her how she made a living for herself if she gave all her money to MR. Her answer could have shown that her integrity as a witness was compromised.
Maybe letting the Crown carry on..........and gathering up things for appeal at a later date........if needed?
JMO................
Since MR and TLM both had all day to do whatever they wanted on April 8, 2009, did the premeditation for the murder occur somewhere between Woodstock and Guelph.
Why were the garbage bags and the hammer purchased at HD in Guelph, why not before leaving Woodstock. Did MR think that far ahead, wanting to capture TLM on camera purchasing these items and not himself?
Were they that naive, as to think the camera(s) would not have been rolling in Guelph in a HD, the way they obviously thought they would have been in Woodstock, so if MR wanted TLM on the video surveillance, what was the difference between store location.
Just MOO
It shouldn't be IMO. The edited pieces showed only what the Crown needed to make their point. How the visits started and ended doesn't mean the entire visit was all hugs and giggles and cracking backs.
JMO
IF MR had wanted to abduct & molest a child, why on earth would TLM choose a child that was known to her, who could identify her?
i can't get past this question.
jmo.
I thought it's purpose was to show that they were still a "couple" and back up TLM's testimony that they acted together. Also perhaps, judging by some of the conversion on here, that he may have manipulated her into the act. If that was their intent, speaking only for myself, it failed miserably. She had to ask him for the hug, he patted her on the head like a little sister, and he couldn't wait to get away. She had him by the gonzos and he had no choice but to humour her or go to jail. JMO
Since MR and TLM both had all day to do whatever they wanted on April 8, 2009, did the premeditation for the murder occur somewhere between Woodstock and Guelph.
Why were the garbage bags and the hammer purchased at HD in Guelph, why not before leaving Woodstock. Did MR think that far ahead, wanting to capture TLM on camera purchasing these items and not himself?
Were they that naive, as to think the camera(s) would not have been rolling in Guelph in a HD, the way they obviously thought they would have been in Woodstock, so if MR wanted TLM on the video surveillance, what was the difference between store location.
Just MOO
Do you think the video corroborated MTR's statement to LE that he barely knew TLM?
P.S. How did SHE have HIM by the gonzos? Curious?
Witness credibility is an important factor for jury consideration.
The escort testified she gave all her money from the escort business to MR.
Is that a true or false statement?
Well............to believe her statement is true, you have to believe:
a) she had other gainful employment.
b) she lived on no income.
The escort also said she was having financial difficult and decided to become an escort. She then said she would give all the money to MR.
How did that help out her personal finances?
Her testimony was that MR asked her for money for gas and a car payment
Why would he have to give her any reason at all, if she was giving him all the money anyways?
Sorry................not buying this song and dance routine.
JMO..............
Witness credibility is an important factor for jury consideration.
The escort testified she gave all her money from the escort business to MR.
Is that a true or false statement?
Well............to believe her statement is true, you have to believe:
a) she had other gainful employment.
b) she lived on no income.
The escort also said she was having financial difficult and decided to become an escort. She then said she would give all the money to MR.
How did that help out her personal finances?
Her testimony was that MR asked her for money for gas and a car payment
Why would he have to give her any reason at all, if she was giving him all the money anyways?
Sorry................not buying this song and dance routine.
JMO..............
All testimony has been that Tori did NOT know TLM. I am on the fence about whether or not TLM knew Tori however. TLM claims she did not, but....
Salem
Even if she didn't give him ALL the money, what does that matter? We know how much money she did give him and it was a substantial sum. Close to $17,000 wasn't it, over 6 months. That works out to about $2,500 to $3,000 a month.
Her personal finances are not at issue and as far as the money goes, in my opinion, neither is her credibility because the bank records prove the amount of money she gave him and more importantly the amount of money she gave him on April 8th, the day in question.
Salem
Witness credibility is an important factor for jury consideration.
The escort testified she gave all her money from the escort business to MR.
Is that a true or false statement?
Well............to believe her statement is true, you have to believe:
a) she had other gainful employment.
b) she lived on no income.
The escort also said she was having financial difficult and decided to become an escort. She then said she would give all the money to MR.
How did that help out her personal finances?
Her testimony was that MR asked her for money for gas and a car payment
Why would he have to give her any reason at all, if she was giving him all the money anyways?
Sorry................not buying this song and dance routine.
JMO..............
The lack of cross and the fact that absolutely ZERO attempts were made to discredit Charity's testimony, indicates that you are incorrect this is a song and dance routine.
Derstine was well aware of Charity, and was probably relieved that's ALL she was able to testify about on the stand. Afterall, he couldn't refute the $ transfers, could he? Black & white.
Charity's testimony was the truth. There was WAY MORE. Derstine was wise enough not to go there. Really wise.
Therefore, her testimony stands as very strong testimony against MTR regarding the irrefutable fact of the $ transfers.
Song and dance, allright, by the defense.
Tappity-tap-tap-tap.
JMO
Since MR and TLM both had all day to do whatever they wanted on April 8, 2009, did the premeditation for the murder occur somewhere between Woodstock and Guelph.
Why were the garbage bags and the hammer purchased at HD in Guelph, why not before leaving Woodstock. Did MR think that far ahead, wanting to capture TLM on camera purchasing these items and not himself?
Were they that naive, as to think the camera(s) would not have been rolling in Guelph in a HD, the way they obviously thought they would have been in Woodstock, so if MR wanted TLM on the video surveillance, what was the difference between store location.
Just MOO
I think the amount was actually more than that, as she said the figure didn't include cash she gave him.
The origin of the money she gave to MR, could be an issue, if it was drug related, and the defense is pursuing the abduction of VS as a drug related crime.
I would imagine Derstine already knows the answer to that question, as it wouldn't be hard for an investigator to ask around the neighbourhood and learn some details.
We will see if it is mentioned again, or let drop..................
JMO............