What Facts Ruin Your Theory?

[impatientredhead]

Tony's roomate "Clint" says: "he believes Casey stayed at Tony's" and then later in the interview Clint was asked about the morning of June 16th, if Clint saw Casey that morning and Clint responded: "I can't recall".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1vYOomwdxE (after 6 minutes or so)

If you go to the ping thread Casey was at home the night of the 15th, texting with Tony mostly, but on her cell phone constantly. I would have to verify the time, but I believe she arrives starts pinging at home with text messages as well at 7:30 that night, and is there through the following day. There is a window of time she stops using her phone of three hours late in the afternoon of the 16th and then she resurfaces at Tony's at 8:30pm.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Welcome to WS, Rae! Yes, we did notice her making that comment. She stated on the stand at the bond hearing that she spoke with Casey daily tho. Still...it does seem odd. (like anything in this case doesn't seem odd?! LOL)

 

[SeriouslySearching]

If you go to the ping thread Casey was at home the night of the 15th, texting with Tony mostly, but on her cell phone constantly. I would have to verify the time, but I believe she arrives starts pinging at home with text messages as well at 7:30 that night, and is there through the following day. There is a window of time she stops using her phone of three hours late in the afternoon of the 16th and then she resurfaces at Tony's at 8:30pm.

Or she could have been "close" to home...maybe the pings were not from that actual address.

 

[rlms56]

Or she could have been "close" to home...maybe the pings were not from that actual address.

Is LA's house close enough to his parents that a cell ping would use the same tower?

 

[Kimster]

None of the facts have ruined any of my theories thus far. I'm a very factual person, however, and have only based any of my personal opinions on the facts at hand.

 

[Rae]

Welcome to WS, Rae! Yes, we did notice her making that comment. She stated on the stand at the bond hearing that she spoke with Casey daily tho. Still...it does seem odd. (like anything in this case doesn't seem odd?! LOL)

Thanks!

I guess I missed that on here. Which is easy to do also since there's so much info. Thanks for letting me know!

 

[miimaa]

I believe that Casey kept Caylee in the trunk many times and used Xanax or chloro. to put her to sleep. She died accidentally and remained in the trunk for a few days until Casey figured out what to do. Since she had no job and was stealing I think she took the gas cans to have enough gas to drive to wherever she put the body. That was completed prior to George finding the cans. She abandoned the car because of the smell.

 

[miimaa]

ITA. She thought she was slick enough with her lies to snow the police and be on her merry way to Fusion.

That is something that confuses me to no end in this case...I can't for the life of me figure out how in the world anyone living in this day and age with half a brain would think that if their child went missing they could cover the dissapearance with a string of lies and not expect the police to catch it immediately, especially someone who claims to be a fan of CSI and Survivor.

Another thing that gets to me about this whole thing is how easy it is for her to come up with elaborate and detailed lies. Listening to her interview tapes with the police really amazed me. She can spew lies better, quicker and more convincingly than I could articulate a true story.

The only people she had to hide it from were her parents. Caylee wasn't in school so KC didn't have to cover that. We haven't heard about any playmates so KC didn't have to cover that either. She only had to cover it up from her parents for as long as they would buy the nanny story and for as long as she didn't go home herself. The guy in California was her backup plan to get out of Dodge when the time came.

 

[Lexington]

Ok, I just re-checked the docs, and yes, those files were "Archive Files" and so they were created much earlier but constantly re-written. So the search was NOT done in 10/07, the search for ZG on the net on her computer was ONLY on 7/16/08. It specifically states that on pg. 3 of the Computer Forensics report also. So that makes the scenario much less complicated IMO

Thanks for the correction. I used the date 10/07 without verifying it. Yes, that surely makes things more explainable. A very half-a##ed story that Ms. Casey concocted. She sure could have come up with a better one, she had enough time.

 

[impatientredhead]

I think the ZG being at Sawgrass on the 16th and Casey knowing about it will be explained when we can hear what Annie has had to say. She lived at Sawgrass and clearly whatever she has had to share with LE has been important because not a word of it has been released.

Cindy says she heard all these Zanny stories (zero credibility), but who else has said they heard the name BEFORE June 16th. I know Amy heard it, but it was in June. Jesse heard the name, but that was in June also wasn't it?

 

[TURBOTHINK]

If you go to the ping thread Casey was at home the night of the 15th, texting with Tony mostly, but on her cell phone constantly. I would have to verify the time, but I believe she arrives starts pinging at home with text messages as well at 7:30 that night, and is there through the following day. There is a window of time she stops using her phone of three hours late in the afternoon of the 16th and then she resurfaces at Tony's at 8:30pm.

Does LA's apartment ping off the same towers? I am thinking she went there the night of the 15th after the argument with her parents.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

Is LA's house close enough to his parents that a cell ping would use the same tower?

I just typed that too. GMTA. LOL

 

[impatientredhead]

Is LA's house close enough to his parents that a cell ping would use the same tower?

He lives within a few miles, but he wouldn't have the same lat/long address. Several of the locations that the pings have been pinned down to are within a narrower locations than that. The content of the texts also indicate she is at home.

I just went and verified the times, she arrives homes at 7:30pm on the 15th, and leaves there at 4:18 the following day. She is at the Chickasaw trail for a few minutes, and then to Tony's for the rest of the night of the 16th.

 

[one_hooah_wife]

I have pondered a lot about ZG too ... it was just too significant to rule a coincidence, to me; the ZG/Sawgrass connection.

A while back ... when there was a group of posters on here trashing Beba/ZG ... I reached out to her on MySpace ... and have since been able to learn some things. Note: She is not talking much now except to exchange pleasantries - due to the pending case. First of all I will say this, this lady is really genuinely nice. She may appear rough around the edges ... but consider Casey's appearance! It all goes back to what our Mama's taught us about judging a book by its cover - don't!

One thing in particular that I learned that made things a little more clear for me ... It was actually a light bulb moment! She thinks that she may have posted to one of her friends in a MySpace comment saying that she had looked at an apartment at Sawgrass. She said that it wouldn't have been unusual to do that since one of her friends was considering possibly rooming with her and the girls. Incidentally, I posted this information once before ... but at the time a lot of people were still convinced that she was involved somehow. Now, I don't know about y'all ... but knowing that someone, presumably Casey, had previously searched for that name on MySpace ... maybe she ran across the comment that ZG posted to her friend and learned that she had visited Sawgrass. You all can figure it out from there.

Anyway ... this is certainly speculation or maybe an educated guess at this point ... but I thought I would share it, as it seems relevant to the topic here.

 

[dreamerlin]

My first time posting, but have been stalking y'all for a few months now.

One thing that always bothered me that doesn't seem to bother anyone else is when CA called 911 and you hear her talking to KC in the background, this is where KC asks "Just give me one more day.", CA specifically says something like, "I've already given you a month".

Why would she say "I've already given you a month"? That sounds to me like CA already knew Caylee was missing, and CA was giving KC time to come up with her.

It doesn't make sense that CA would say that statement because of the simple fact she had not seen or spoken to Caylee in that time frame. Wouldn't you say something more like, "I'm not giving you another day because you've been lying to me for a month" or something to that effect.

My point is CA did not GIVE KC a month if she didn't know the little girl was missing to begin with!!!

Anyone else find that statement by CA disturbing? I know I know, there's so many words that have been gone back on now i.e. the dead body in the car is actually a pizza - etc. *rolling eyes*

eta: That statement alone by CA has made me doubt any other theory out there. I think the whole family knew. jmo.

No, CA's statement there didn't bother me. It sounded exactly like something she would say when she's upset and exagerating. In her mind she hasn't seen Caylee for a month so now she's saying that KC didn't LET her see her for a month. Same type of behavior she's pulled with her comments about the media and LE. After all, it's only "stretching" the truth to her.

 

[PaulaF513]

He lives within a few miles, but he wouldn't have the same lat/long address. Several of the locations that the pings have been pinned down to are within a narrower locations than that. The content of the texts also indicate she is at home.

I just went and verified the times, she arrives homes at 7:30pm on the 15th, and leaves there at 4:18 the following day. She is at the Chickasaw trail for a few minutes, and then to Tony's for the rest of the night of the 16th.

Then George did not see them leave between 12 and 1 or she waited outside the house for him to leave and came back for something or other

 

[Salem]

Welcome Rae - I'm respectfully snipping your post a bit to address a specific comment:

One thing that always bothered me that doesn't seem to bother anyone else is when CA called 911 and you hear her talking to KC in the background, this is where KC asks "Just give me one more day.", CA specifically says something like, "I've already given you a month".

Why would she say "I've already given you a month"? That sounds to me like CA already knew Caylee was missing, and CA was giving KC time to come up with her.

When you couple this statement with CA's myspace comment about "My Caylee is missing" which CA posted on July 3rd (IIRC) it does raise the hinky meter some. Trying to put in perspective.... CA trusts that her daughter will not hurt Caylee. I'm guessing KC has put CA on "baby restriction" more than once when CA upset her. Both GA and CA asked about Caylee everytime they talked to KC or saw her and it had been about a month's time of KC's excuses for why Caylee was not around. I'm speculating at this point that CA was not going to put up with anymore excuses. However, KC's statement of "just give me one more day" is puzzling. Why would you ask for one more day to keep your child away from the grandparents when you knew you were busted and in trouble?

One more day for what? To take CA to the nanny's to fetch Caylee? To hang out with TonE?

The three things tied together are hard to reconcile. One or two of them can easily be explained away, but all three? Doesn't make sense. You have to wonder what all KC was telling CA when KC was refusing CA access to Caylee. There is more to the story, I'm sure.

Salem

 

[Salem]

I just went and verified the times, she arrives homes at 7:30pm on the 15th, and leaves there at 4:18 the following day. She is at the Chickasaw trail for a few minutes, and then to Tony's for the rest of the night of the 16th.

Does she ever go back to that Chickasaw trail?

TIA,

Salem

 

[miimaa]

Welcome Rae - I'm respectfully snipping your post a bit to address a specific comment:



When you couple this statement with CA's myspace comment about "My Caylee is missing" which CA posted on July 3rd (IIRC) it does raise the hinky meter some. Trying to put in perspective.... CA trusts that her daughter will not hurt Caylee. I'm guessing KC has put CA on "baby restriction" more than once when CA upset her. Both GA and CA asked about Caylee everytime they talked to KC or saw her and it had been about a month's time of KC's excuses for why Caylee was not around. I'm speculating at this point that CA was not going to put up with anymore excuses. However, KC's statement of "just give me one more day" is puzzling. Why would you ask for one more day to keep your child away from the grandparents when you knew you were busted and in trouble?

One more day for what? To take CA to the nanny's to fetch Caylee? To hang out with TonE?

The three things tied together are hard to reconcile. One or two of them can easily be explained away, but all three? Doesn't make sense. You have to wonder what all KC was telling CA when KC was refusing CA access to Caylee. There is more to the story, I'm sure.

Salem

You're right. If KC and Caylee had been living with George and Cindy then Cindy must have asked where they were staying that month. At first IIRC CA said KC and Caylee were 'traveling' for work and vacation. I don't know if that is the story from KC or another Cindy-ism. I mean if you had a 22yo daughter with a child wouldn't you want to know they were okay? Where they were staying? Was it a clean and safe place? What kind of friends are you hanging with? I would want to know. My son is 25 and I went to look at his new apt. I know his friends. And who the heck "travels" for a month of work and vacation? At 22yo? Cindy WTH did you think KC was doing with Caylee during her supposed work times? These people make no sense whatsoever.

 

[Hope for the Best]

Welcome Rae - I'm respectfully snipping your post a bit to address a specific comment:



When you couple this statement with CA's myspace comment about "My Caylee is missing" which CA posted on July 3rd (IIRC) it does raise the hinky meter some. Trying to put in perspective.... CA trusts that her daughter will not hurt Caylee. I'm guessing KC has put CA on "baby restriction" more than once when CA upset her. Both GA and CA asked about Caylee everytime they talked to KC or saw her and it had been about a month's time of KC's excuses for why Caylee was not around. I'm speculating at this point that CA was not going to put up with anymore excuses. However, KC's statement of "just give me one more day" is puzzling. Why would you ask for one more day to keep your child away from the grandparents when you knew you were busted and in trouble?

One more day for what? To take CA to the nanny's to fetch Caylee? To hang out with TonE?

The three things tied together are hard to reconcile. One or two of them can easily be explained away, but all three? Doesn't make sense. You have to wonder what all KC was telling CA when KC was refusing CA access to Caylee. There is more to the story, I'm sure.

Salem

I think KC wanted one more day to get out of town. I bet if CA had given her one more day, KC would have disappeared that night while C & G were sleeping and never looked back. She would have taken her $200 cash and bought a bus ticket, or hitched a ride or something, to get her as far away as possible, and then she would've started a new life, maybe turning tricks for cash, who knows.