WHAT Has Been Said & By WHOM... That Baffles You? (aka Oh No They Didn't!)

[Leila]

I don't think a single one of his tall tales has ever panned out to be the real deal, nor has anything he has said or come up with been corroborated by other sources. Am I wring in thinking that LP is not on either sides witness list for trial?

LP has gotten involved in the Hayleigh Cummings case. I wonder if he's just put the Anthony case behind him? I would think the prosecution would be interested in anything LP and his group has to say about their interaction with the Anthony family during the time they were there.

 

[Leila]

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Sorry I bolded so much of this post.. but Solace.. you are spot on! For those of you who have often wondered why and how Casey lied so often and so badly to LE and expected to get away with it... Solace gives several perfect examples. Casey lied so often and so badly because it was ALWAYS accepted, even when not believed, by her parents. Bottom line is.. it was easier to believe her bullchit.. than to try and get her to tell the truth. George and Cindy set THAT particular family dynamic up.. long long ago.

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I firmly believe that Casey had never run into a situation before where her lies weren't accepted. No one had ever confronted her and questioned the details and the logic of her lies.

When questioned by LE, Casey did what she's always done - tried to cover one big lie with another big lie.

LE did something that Casey had never experienced before. They took her lies, investigated them, and very quickly exposed them for what they were - lies. It didn't take LE long to verify the non-existence of ZFG and other people, and to check Casey's story and find the truth.

The Anthonys and those who support their beliefs ask why LE seemed to quickly zero in on Casey. They consistently ask why others weren't investigated as much as Casey was.

The answer to that question is because of the lies. It was Casey, and Casey only, who was lying. No one lies when it comes to the serious matter of a missing child. Make no mistake, all of Casey's friends were investigated thoroughly and eliminated, and in the end, all of the evidence pointed to only Casey.

I think one of the biggest problems with George and Cindy Anthony is they're so used to Casey lying and used to telling lies themselves, that they think everyone lies.

 

[panthera]

Excellent point! I don't think this is something we've ever really looked into and questioned.

It would have been much less incriminating to have said, "she's been missing for a little more than 24 hours and I've been desperately trying to find her."

My take on Casey saying that Caylee had been missing for 31 days is that she was directing that statement directly at Cindy. She wanted Cindy to KNOW that what happened to Caylee was a direct result of the fight Casey and Cindy had on June 15th.

This is really an excellent point which also connects why the original date that Caylee was last seen was changed to June 9, even though it isn't 31 days before July 15. Either someone doesn't know how to count or it was deliberately misleading due to what both knew happened on the evening of June 15. MOO

 

[panthera]

I firmly believe that Casey had never run into a situation before where her lies weren't accepted. No one had ever confronted her and questioned the details and the logic of her lies.

When questioned by LE, Casey did what she's always done - tried to cover one big lie with another big lie.

LE did something that Casey had never experienced before. They took her lies, investigated them, and very quickly exposed them for what they were - lies. It didn't take LE long to verify the non-existence of ZFG and other people, and to check Casey's story and find the truth.

The Anthonys and those who support their beliefs ask why LE seemed to quickly zero in on Casey. They consistently ask why others weren't investigated as much as Casey was.

The answer to that question is because of the lies. It was Casey, and Casey only, who was lying. No one lies when it comes to the serious matter of a missing child. Make no mistake, all of Casey's friends were investigated thoroughly and eliminated, and in the end, all of the evidence pointed to only Casey.

I think one of the biggest problems with George and Cindy Anthony is they're so used to Casey lying and used to telling lies themselves, that they think everyone lies.

BBM

It is as simple as the last known person to be with the victim is always the primary suspect - until they can be excluded and in this case, could not be. They should have realized that. And interestingly it is George who places Casey walking out the door with Caylee the afternoon of 6/16.....MOO

 

[chefmom]

Every single word that has come out of ANY of the A's mouths has baffled me since day 31.

 

[panthera]

When Lee asked, while discussing Caylee being missing, "is this like the other time"?

That was confusing. What "other time"? :waitasec:

 

[strawberry]

When Lee asked, while discussing Caylee being missing, "is this like the other time"?

Can someone point me to this? I have seen it mentioned a few times here and I have no recollection of him saying that.

 

[Jovi Girl]

On NBC's Today Show, August 13, 2010, Cindy said something along the lines, "she isn't sure that Caylee is dead. And that she has more questions that need answers before she will 100% believe that she is really dead." That was mind blowing to me, to say the least. Why would LE lie to her about the remains being Caylee? THAT doesn't make ANY sense. :waitasec:

It's politics. Don't you know ?? 2008 was an election year, and the powers that be in the democrat/republican/independent/ socialist/take you pick-party are up to no good. They kidnapped Caylee to bring negative attention to the state. They want to wipe out all polittians in the state government and start anew, hence the trial being in 2011, a year before the elections. So when the truth comes out Casey will be aquitted and reunited with Caylee. She is for all intents and purposes, a POLITICAL prisioner.
Wow...I really sound like Mommy Dearest and it only took me a few minutes to come up with that carp.

 

[ZsaZsa]

On NBC's Today Show, August 13, 2010, Cindy said something along the lines, "she isn't sure that Caylee is dead. And that she has more questions that need answers before she will 100% believe that she is really dead." That was mind blowing to me, to say the least. Why would LE lie to her about the remains being Caylee? THAT doesn't make ANY sense. :waitasec:

Her workplace disability policy time limit has been reached, so she now has to convince SSI that she is out of touch with reality, and mentally unstable, in order to get permanent disability.... or get a job- the comments are part of her maneuvering in order to get on permanent disability, I am sure.

 

[countzero]

Cindy had been advised by a counselor to get custody of Caylee and kick Casey out. If that was the case, George and Cindy would need proof of wrong-doing on Casey's part to build a case for their seeking custody.

I've always wondered if reporting the break-in of the shed was part of building a case against Casey for George and Cindy getting custody?

I read CAs deposition with the SAO, it is in the resource thread, and CA did NOT say this. Whar she told Linda when asked about seeing her employer provided counselor was CA was upset about finances. CA went a couple of times, was advised to bring ICA to a session. The counselor told CA to "kick" both ICA and Caylee out on their own. CA told Linda she would never do that. CA told Linda she didn't like the counselor and wouldn't go back.

Now we know CA told this to her co workers but CA also added to the story, the counselor told her to get custody, to illicit sympathy.

I would suggest that all go back and read these SAO deposition with CA, GA and LA. They were conducted last year, 09 and are a wealth of lies told by all three.

 

[Laidbacksal]

I never understood why LE didn't look into this more anyway, i.e. the "nanny" is missing too, so.....
One of the only reasons I could think of for Casey not talking (if she was innocent of harming Caylee), (besides if she is just crazy and in la-la land) might be if someone else had been killed, like if she or somone on her behalf had killed the person who killed Caylee for example. Or if there had been gang or drug business going on and someone had been killed and Caylee's murder was retribution for that. I know it sounds pretty bizarre, but like this case isn't bizarre already? Why not go on out on the limb and check out these things, you know. LOL.

But, it was a bizarre sounding kind of statement, I agree. I couldn't understand why he wasn't at least questioned about that really!

I kind of feel like there's more to this than her just killing her kid, and I feel like she's not talking to protect others.

 

[LinasK]

I kind of feel like there's more to this than her just killing her kid, and I feel like she's not talking to protect others.

Who risks Death Row to protect others??? Shades of Scott Peterson. I believe Casey did this dirty deed all by herself, although "others" may have helped her in the cover-up!:twocents:

 

[Chiquita71]

I read CAs deposition with the SAO, it is in the resource thread, and CA did NOT say this. What she told Linda when asked about seeing her employer provided counselor was CA was upset about finances. CA went a couple of times, was advised to bring ICA to a session. The counselor told CA to "kick" both ICA and Caylee out on their own. CA told Linda she would never do that. CA told Linda she didn't like the counselor and wouldn't go back.

Now we know CA told this to her co workers but CA also added to the story, the counselor told her to get custody, to illicit sympathy.

I would suggest that all go back and read these SAO deposition with CA, GA and LA. They were conducted last year, 09 and are a wealth of lies told by all three.

Quote Respect countzero :cool2:

Thank you for this information. Also, from my understanding it was SP who stated to LE that Cindy told her she had been to see a counselor who told her to "kick" Casey and Caylee out and SP reported that Cindy said she couldn't do that because she couldn't kick Caylee out. Cindy is heard on one of the 911 tapes saying, "We'll do the child thing and you'll never..." Wonder if that was the first time Cindy had directly threatened to take Caylee from Casey or if theories are correct she said something to that effect on the night of the 15th, maybe causing Casey to kill Caylee? If Cindy did say, on the 15th that she would try to take Caylee-and was saying it again during the 911 call-she must have been unaware of the effect her saying it the first time to Casey. KWIM?

Here is the thing that has been said that baffles me: I just read this, can I admit I never listened to the memorial, or even really read the threads on the subject? I just had to stay away for anger reasons, but now I have come across it and I find this statement by Cindy(well, her whole speech)to be absolutely self serving and crazy. Every single word. But here's the part I'm bring up in this post.

"Caylee I love you, missing children — I like jewelry but its getting ridiculous, my arm’s getting heavier and heavier but it brings me peace."

Talk about a "telling" statement! "Caylee I love you, missing children-I like jewelery..." Wha?!! What is Cindy trying to convey here? She loves Caylee, okay...then, she loves missing children? And, Cindy likes jewelery but even she finds the amount she wears to be "ridiculous." Okay. How much of the jewelery she was wearing had to do with Caylee? From my understanding, just a bracelet so is Cindy trying to say, in conjunction with her previous cryptic statement of "missing children" that she is wearing the jewelery of many children?

Probably not. So all that is left is Cindy just wanted everyone to know, at Caylee's memorial...that she, Cindy...likes jewelery.

Why is the amount "ridiculous"? Doesn't Cindy have control over the amount of jewelery she wears? Sure she does. !! She just wanted to bring up her jewelery because she is shallow and materialistic and feels she is in competition with others to show what she has and what a great life she lives. Ya know...even though her granddaughter is in the jewelery. Pathetic and sad. :snooty:

Cindy says: "The amount of jewelery I wear is ridiculous and I like jewelery." Then she says she likes jewelery so much it "brings her peace." Cindy is stating, while at the memorial for her granddaughter, that having a ridiculous amount of jewelery(on) brings her peace! :loser:

:cow:

 

[Snaz]

~Snipped for space and BBM~

Cindy says: "The amount of jewelery I wear is ridiculous and I like jewelery." Then she says she likes jewelery so much it "brings her peace." Cindy is stating, while at the memorial for her granddaughter, that having a ridiculous amount of jewelery(on) brings her peace! :loser:

:cow:

I don't know, but I took that to mean that she liked and wore a lot of jewelry, and had added even more jewelry (as in the piece that held Caylee's ashes) and that particular piece of jewelry is what gave her peace.

Although, the whole comment was just a little on the weird side...

JMO.

 

[USARDOG]

Originally Posted by seagull65
I never understood why LE didn't look into this more anyway, i.e. the "nanny" is missing too, so.....
One of the only reasons I could think of for Casey not talking (if she was innocent of harming Caylee), (besides if she is just crazy and in la-la land) might be if someone else had been killed, like if she or somone on her behalf had killed the person who killed Caylee for example. Or if there had been gang or drug business going on and someone had been killed and Caylee's murder was retribution for that. I know it sounds pretty bizarre, but like this case isn't bizarre already? Why not go on out on the limb and check out these things, you know. LOL.

But, it was a bizarre sounding kind of statement, I agree. I couldn't understand why he wasn't at least questioned about that really!


You are exactly the person the defense is looking for!! Not only is the nanny "missing" no one can even find that she ever existed!

 

[Shalya]

At the time, I took that to mean all of the rubber bracelets she was wearing for missing kids.

The statement is still totally self-serving, though.

 

[catnron]

When Casey said to Padilla" they have not even found her clothes yet" I think there is a lot of information in that statement and answers.

 

[kaRN]

Quote Respect countzero :cool2:

Thank you for this information. Also, from my understanding it was SP who stated to LE that Cindy told her she had been to see a counselor who told her to "kick" Casey and Caylee out and SP reported that Cindy said she couldn't do that because she couldn't kick Caylee out. Cindy is heard on one of the 911 tapes saying, "We'll do the child thing and you'll never..." Wonder if that was the first time Cindy had directly threatened to take Caylee from Casey or if theories are correct she said something to that effect on the night of the 15th, maybe causing Casey to kill Caylee? If Cindy did say, on the 15th that she would try to take Caylee-and was saying it again during the 911 call-she must have been unaware of the effect her saying it the first time to Casey. KWIM?

Here is the thing that has been said that baffles me: I just read this, can I admit I never listened to the memorial, or even really read the threads on the subject? I just had to stay away for anger reasons, but now I have come across it and I find this statement by Cindy(well, her whole speech)to be absolutely self serving and crazy. Every single word. But here's the part I'm bring up in this post.

"Caylee I love you, missing children — I like jewelry but its getting ridiculous, my arm’s getting heavier and heavier but it brings me peace."

Talk about a "telling" statement! "Caylee I love you, missing children-I like jewelery..." Wha?!! What is Cindy trying to convey here? She loves Caylee, okay...then, she loves missing children? And, Cindy likes jewelery but even she finds the amount she wears to be "ridiculous." Okay. How much of the jewelery she was wearing had to do with Caylee? From my understanding, just a bracelet so is Cindy trying to say, in conjunction with her previous cryptic statement of "missing children" that she is wearing the jewelery of many children?

Probably not. So all that is left is Cindy just wanted everyone to know, at Caylee's memorial...that she, Cindy...likes jewelery.

Why is the amount "ridiculous"? Doesn't Cindy have control over the amount of jewelery she wears? Sure she does. !! She just wanted to bring up her jewelery because she is shallow and materialistic and feels she is in competition with others to show what she has and what a great life she lives. Ya know...even though her granddaughter is in the jewelery. Pathetic and sad. :snooty:

Cindy says: "The amount of jewelery I wear is ridiculous and I like jewelery." Then she says she likes jewelery so much it "brings her peace." Cindy is stating, while at the memorial for her granddaughter, that having a ridiculous amount of jewelery(on) brings her peace! :loser:

:cow:

They were asked about the jewelry on one of the interviews they did this summer and said they would never take it off. 2 days later on another show, it was off.

Almost sounds like a plea from the pulpit for jewelry donations for grieving gma...to give her peace. :banghead:

 

[kaRN]

I kind of feel like there's more to this than her just killing her kid, and I feel like she's not talking to protect others.

Welcome!! I think you credit KC with an altruism that doesn't exist in her world. Who is higher on a Mothers priority to protect list than her own child? Plus she threw Lee and George, Jesse and Amy under the bus. I really think she knows that as long as she keeps her mouth shut, her parents will believe her and without them she gets no bean dip money.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

When Casey said to Padilla" they have not even found her clothes yet" I think there is a lot of information in that statement and answers.

I agree, catnron.

"In the first information released regarding the 10 days Padilla spent with Anthony, he said her remarks rebutted what was being said on TV. A lead investigator confirms that during one of those trips, Anthony blurted out 'They haven't even found the clothes she was wearing' about those searching for Caylee."

http://www.wesh.com/news/18009037/detail.html

. . . adding the ". . .she was wearing," makes it sound even more sinister. But it confuses me because they did find clothes that it appeared Caylee was wearing when they found her remains. So why would Casey have ever said that? What would there be to lie about it? How could she have thought it would be to her advantage? Were the clothes that were found with Caylee really the ones she was wearing or could they have been an extra set Casey always carried along with her? Was LP telling the truth? Was Tracy telling the truth? The statement only tends to incriminate Casey because it implies that Casey knows the clothes and the body are separate from one another ~ which means Casey knows there is a dead body. Is she so stupid to say this? So who is lying? I sure can't figure it out! :waitasec: