Where Precisely Do You Think Caylee Died?

[The Eunice Burns]

Nothing loving about the heart sticker, I can't rule it out being placed there by Casey but I think it's much more likely she would just remove the tape rather than placing a heart sticker over it. (For several reasons, regret, guilt, because she wouldn't like seeing Caylee with the tape on and would want her to look prettier, also to make the death appear less like a murder, also to try to erase what she'd done, because she's a neat freak and grooms obsessively, as well as to not leave the tape due to it matching back to the home, fingerprints, etc.) Casey's friends are known to use heart stickers on things (check out the picture of Samantha holding her phone that's covered with heart stickers for example, you know the ones where they're in her van or SUV). KMTC also describes burying her pets with bags and hearts, quite near there (it wasn't Casey burying her own pets that way as has been widely misquoted). The sticker could have been put there as a message to Casey, or just a sick touch by a pedophile. I do think the heart is a cruel message, not a kiss goodbye. It was for display, that's why the tape wasn't removed, because this person likes to display their cruelty to be found, no desire to cover it up or make it look less awful. The sticker could have been obtained at the same time as the other objects (from Casey's car or home), or if it was a message to Casey, could have been from something Casey had given to that person with the sticker on it. As I've always said, I can't rule Casey out, if she were totally wasted or something, for example. It just doesn't fit with her history/m.o./treatment of Caylee up to that point. Anyway, back to the poll, interesting poll and it's a shame there weren't more options. But it could be any of those locations.

Again, I respectfully disagree. The heart sticker was very personal. Often, there is a personal touch left on a corpse by someone close/closest to the victim. I think you would find that since heart stickers of that type were found at the A home, KC would be the likely person to have used them. Kio may have had hearts in common w/ KC, but not the means to have gotten THOSE stickers from the A home. How would the defense intend to place Kio in the A home when it has come out that KC went ballistic when she learned the content of Kio's interview and then KC claiming they had not seen each other in a long time (or something to that effect?) Bit of a problem there. And, I imagine as w/ the Henkel tape, they can match the sticker residue to the sheet, to the home, to KC.

That said, we still come back to motive, means, and opportunity. Who has this heinous trio of elements in total? KC. As to the history of Caylee, there may be a lot we don't know yet, may never know, and.....even if there is not a scintilla of proof that she in anyway mistreated or abused Caylee prior......that doesn't prove anything. Many children have been killed by their parents where no history existed. The evil that men and women perpetrate doesn't make sense, especially when it comes to murdering a child. To try and say that it must make sense based on no prior history of anything awry is illogical. I think we'd hear from scores of people crying out from their grave to dispel that notion. MOO and w/ respect......

 

[celticthyme]

Putting all all the converging events & tensions between Cindy & Casey into perspective, I think that fight on the 15th was a real doozy, all of Cindy's frustrations about Casey's lack of job, responsibility, availability to take care of the baby due to partying and busy social life, on top of the fact that now her parents were victim's of her lies and stealing $$ from all of them. Cindy had had it. She had seen the counselor who then encouraged her to get custody of Caylee, and I think that was part of the threat & fight . The fact that Cindy probably attacked Casey for all of the above reasons, which caused Casey to freak & go into attack mode. ("I'll show you who has control of this situation") and the die was cast for Caylee then & there. She could really get back at cindy AND get rid of the baby who was way too much trouble altogether. My guess is that she suffocated her that night. Tried to put her in the back yard the next day, and already there was decomposition, thus the tape & the heart sticker, just because she is a sick *****. From there she put her in the trunk. Thank God she is so stupid, and had no idea what a trail of DNA & physical evidence she left with a dead body on her hands.

But Cindy just thought she'd taken off in a rage because of the bru haha on Sunday night, and that Cs was trying to punish her by keeping Caylee away from them. She was! They just had no idea how horribly they would be punished.

 

[Leila]

Putting all all the converging events & tensions between Cindy & Casey into perspective, I think that fight on the 15th was a real doozy, all of Cindy's frustrations about Casey's lack of job, responsibility, availability to take care of the baby due to partying and busy social life, on top of the fact that now her parents were victim's of her lies and stealing $$ from all of them. Cindy had had it. She had seen the counselor who then encouraged her to get custody of Caylee, and I think that was part of the threat & fight . The fact that Cindy probably attacked Casey for all of the above reasons, which caused Casey to freak & go into attack mode. ("I'll show you who has control of this situation") and the die was cast for Caylee then & there. She could really get back at cindy AND get rid of the baby who was way too much trouble altogether. My guess is that she suffocated her that night. Tried to put her in the back yard the next day, and already there was decomposition, thus the tape & the heart sticker, just because she is a sick *****. From there she put her in the trunk. Thank God she is so stupid, and had no idea what a trail of DNA & physical evidence she left with a dead body on her hands.

But Cindy just thought she'd taken off in a rage because of the bru haha on Sunday night, and that Cs was trying to punish her by keeping Caylee away from them. She was! They just had no idea how horribly they would be punished.

:clap: I think this is exactly what happened. That fight was the catalyst for all else that happened. In all likelihood, Cindy threatened Casey, saying she was going to seek custody of Caylee. Casey was so enraged by that fight that she killed Caylee, rather than let Cindy get custody. I think it's likely that she killed Caylee within hours of that fight, sometime in the wee hours of June 16th. Casey left, putting Caylee's body in the trunk of her car.

For the next month, Cindy thought Casey was purposely keeping Caylee from her, to punish her for what transpired during that fight on June 15th. As evidence, we've got Cindy's comments on her own MySpace page on July 3rd, in which she details the loss she feels in not being able to see her granddaughter, and points to jealousy on Casey's part.

I agree that Casey is not very intelligent She doesn't seem to understand why no one believes her stories/lies. I can only assume that Casey was allowed to lie and never confronted with her lies, even if they were obvious. She was never disciplined and never made to take responsibility for her actions. Her parents neglected their duty as parents.

 

[Pondering Mind]

The death might have occurred right in the A home (not necessarily by Casey herself), or many other locales. Impossible to vote in this poll because so many possibilities left out, i.e. TL's apartment or complex, and many others.... Why would Casey tape Caylee's face like that in order to suffocate her? If she wanted to kill Caylee she could do it in ways that would look like an accident, accidental drowning in the pool, etc. Since suffocation could be accomplished other ways, I think whoever taped Caylee's mouth did it for the purpose of silencing her, most likely during an assault. Either Casey is still not sure what really happened or who did it, or she can't face her family or the authorities with what happened. Looks like she was either involved in the disposal of the body (or had to handle the disposal completely) and got supplies from her house just like she was always bringing stuff from her parents' house to TL's, or the death occurred there and that was why the items were used from the house, or else the perp had access to the laundry bag and other items, either from the A home or from Casey's car or maybe she had the items with her where she was staying. Seems like if she were the murderer, she would have removed the tape before disposing of the body. MOO

bbm~seagull, even if it seems to you that KC would have taken the duct tape off before disposing of Caylee's body, do you realize (or did she) just what an impossible task that would be? You can't get it out of hair without cutting it ....and without going into gruesome details, she would never imho be able to take the tape off of decomposing skin, even if that had been her original plan. Maybe that's the reason for the sticker...she couldn't get the tape off. Just a thought and MO.

 

[snow_walker]

I believe the duct tape was used to kill Caylee.. not because it was the easiest or best thing to use.. why not use a pillow, for example? But because it was a deliberate show of 'See what I can do when you make me mad enough!!' message from KC to her mother. It smacks of a deliberate attemt to show CA that KC woud win the confrontation, come what may! Rippp..snip...tape.. Ripppp.. snip ..paste.. ripp ..snip ...paste.... slowly and deliberatly she cut that tape and covered that baby's face with it..

once she cooled off a little she decided to get rid of the body, rathr than leave it in the back yard or pool for mom to stumble across.. but I think she was always keeping her trump card handy, one day she would show her mother Caylee's body.. with the duct tape.. boy wouldn't THAT get her Mom going??

I don't think KC even considered the possiblity of being charged with murder.. all that existed in her mind was herself and her family.. in fact it seems to me she never even thought of police involvment until those 911 calls.. even then she didn't seem worried until Lee pointed out that the police would insist on seeing Caylee, and being sure she was alright..THEN she 'jumped up' as Lee put it.. a sudden realization that this wasn't a private family quarrel which she was quite capable of handling.. it was a serious matter involving LE. Why, some people might even call it murder!!! Time to make up some story to satisfy the police.. the nanny thing would do..unless they checked into it of course.

It seems to me that KC didn't have the faintest idea what police are really about, or that she really could be held accountable by them. All that she considered was her own small world.. family and friends.. and as long as she could control them, she had no fear of anything or anyone else.

Score one for KC..apart from the damage she has caused her own family and friends, she can also have the satisfation of knowing she has made me cry for poor little Caylee.

 

[steadychick]

I don't know where Caylee died, but my gut feeling/intuition leads me to believe the following: I think KC was so mad at her mother the night of the 15th that she took it out on Caylee and that she hurt Caylee bad enough that it would have been obvious that she had abused her. Being KC, she couldn't handle being charged with abuse/injuring a child and couldn't allow herself to be subjected to the reactions of her family, especially her mother. So, being KC, she came up with the perfect solution to avoid being labeled a bad and abusive mother and incurring her mother's wrath -- get rid of the evidence by killing her daughter and dumping the body. It's quite possible Caylee was already unresponsive and therefore the duct tape was easy to apply over her airways. After Caylee stopped breathing, KC felt sorry (for herself) that she was forced to kill her (to avoid judgement and possible prosecution), so she placed the heart sticker over her mouth as a final gesture.

In trying to think like KC, this scenario makes the most sense to me. It explains the duct tape. It supports the sociopathy of only having true feelings for herself and the fear of what would happen to her if it was found that she hurt Caylee. It supports why she has shown no guilt or remorse for killing her daughter -- because she was forced to do it/she had no choice. And, if you try to think like Cindy -- if you knew this is what happened you would totally understand and not hold your daughter responsible for something she was forced to do. You would feel sad that your granddaughter was gone, but you would also realize that the evidence, if found, would look like murder, and you certainly could not allow your daughter to be convicted and sent to prison for something that she was forced to do.

JMO's as a result of trying to journey into the minds of KC and CA.

 

[Ripley007]

I give up. Originally, I wanted to link to a previous post and THANK the poster for saying what SO many people here seem to FORGET, but, now can't find it...argh. That KC herself NEVER buried a Pet in her girls club pet society....KioM made it QUITE clear to LE that KC NEVER buried a pet of her own, she just participated in Kio's and another girls pet's burials....where Kio and friend had a habit of placing a heart-shaped sticker on their dead pet. This got misinturpreted as KC buried her pets in this certain wooded site...blah, blah....NOT TRUE. Whoever you are who pointed this misinformation out once again,...I personally thank you!

 

[Leila]

I give up. Originally, I wanted to link to a previous post and THANK the poster for saying what SO many people here seem to FORGET, but, now can't find it...argh. That KC herself NEVER buried a Pet in her girls club pet society....KioM made it QUITE clear to LE that KC NEVER buried a pet of her own, she just participated in Kio's and another girls pet's burials....where Kio and friend had a habit of placing a heart-shaped sticker on their dead pet. This got misinturpreted as KC buried her pets in this certain wooded site...blah, blah....NOT TRUE. Whoever you are who pointed this misinformation out once again,...I personally thank you!

If Casey herself never buried a pet of her own, but participated in her friend's pet burials, perhaps that's where she got the idea of using a heart sticker.

 

[Leila]

Again, I respectfully disagree. The heart sticker was very personal. Often, there is a personal touch left on a corpse by someone close/closest to the victim. I think you would find that since heart stickers of that type were found at the A home, KC would be the likely person to have used them. Kio may have had hearts in common w/ KC, but not the means to have gotten THOSE stickers from the A home. How would the defense intend to place Kio in the A home when it has come out that KC went ballistic when she learned the content of Kio's interview and then KC claiming they had not seen each other in a long time (or something to that effect?) Bit of a problem there. And, I imagine as w/ the Henkel tape, they can match the sticker residue to the sheet, to the home, to KC.

That said, we still come back to motive, means, and opportunity. Who has this heinous trio of elements in total? KC. As to the history of Caylee, there may be a lot we don't know yet, may never know, and.....even if there is not a scintilla of proof that she in anyway mistreated or abused Caylee prior......that doesn't prove anything. Many children have been killed by their parents where no history existed. The evil that men and women perpetrate doesn't make sense, especially when it comes to murdering a child. To try and say that it must make sense based on no prior history of anything awry is illogical. I think we'd hear from scores of people crying out from their grave to dispel that notion. MOO and w/ respect......

This, motive, means, and opportunity is the real issue here. None of Casey's friends or associates can be classified under this very important criteria. Not one of her friends or associates had a motive to kill Caylee, nor the means and opportunity.

Most of the people in Casey's circle of friends and associates were young college students or working at their first real job. To them, Caylee wasn't a responsibility, nor was she a threat, she was merely the child of someone they knew. I doubt that many of them gave too much thought to Caylee, as young 20-somethings aren't thinking of children and settling down yet. They're working or going to school, and in their free time going to movies or socializing with other 20-somethings. Casey and her daughter were just passing through their lives, and not that important to them.

TonE? He's a young college student, living with other guys, and his relationship with Casey was temporary. She was a bed mate but not a consideration for a permanent relationship. His friends kidded Casey about her being serious about the relationship, while Tone had plans of going to NY without her.

Ricardo? He was another temporary relationship that lasted a few months. He's now or has been in a relationship with AH. Again, Casey was just one of probably a string of temporary relationships.

Jesse? There's no motive there.......he's a young guy still deciding what he wants as a career. He and Casey had a relationship some time ago, and for a while he thought he was Caylee's biological father. But he's the only one who's showed genuine concern for Caylee, willingly took a polygraph, and has been cleared by police.

If we were to look for someone other than Casey, the most logical would be someone within the Anthony family. They had the means and opportunity, and after all, the items found with Caylee's remains were from the Anthony home.

If we consider someone other than Casey from the Anthony family, Cindy is the most logical. She stated that when she came home from visiting her father on Fathers Day, and having dinner with her mother, she and Caylee went swimming in the pool.

Maybe Cindy was so focused on her anger with Casey she forgot and left the pool ladder in the pool, and while she and Casey were fighting Caylee got into the pool and drowned. That would explain the conversation Casey and Cindy had on the phone, when Casey called home from jail on July 16, 2008...............

Cindy: "Sweetheart, we don't know what your involvement was."
Casey: "Mom! You don't know what my involvement was???" (stated sarcastically).

That conversation indicates that Cindy knew more about what happened than she's admitted. That brief conversation suggests that Cindy knew what had happened and knew her own involvement in what happened.

But the scenario of Caylee drowning accidently doesn't explain the duct tape and that her remains were found in trash bags tossed into the woods around the corner from the Anthony home.

While the defense and the Anthony family continue to harp on "someone else did it", it's not logical to look outside the Anthony family. All the evidence points to only one person, and that's Casey.

Consider this. Law enforcement is specially trained to do what they do. They're objective and consider all the evidence. They arrest the person the evidence suggests did the crime. They investigate the family, friends, and associates of the suspect. If there's evidence that the suspect had an accomplice, the person suspected of being an accomplice is also arrested. A case is built, little by little, with small pieces of evidence that together make up the body of evidence. In this case, the body of evidence suggests only one person murdered Caylee Anthony. That person is in jail awaiting trial.

 

[truthiness]

I vote the pool.

Caylee was wearing a swim diaper and no shoes. Cadaver dogs hit in yard. They never hit in the house.

Tracy McL said she heard conversation about Casey using shovel in the pool to get "ladder".

After Caylee drowned, Casey put her on the side of the pool, panicked and tried to bury her, but the ground was too hard so she moved her inside the playhouse(dogs hit both places).

Casey left her in the playhouse while items from house, winnie pooh blanket, heart sticker and trash bag were gathered.

The location of washer & dryer is in the garage, therefore laundry bag (and duct tape) were handy when car was backed into garage where Caylee was then placed in trunk to be transported.

Doesn't make sense any other way....jmho

 

[Paintr]

Even after all the time that has passed and all the info the great minds here at WS have gathered, I still can't decide on an answer to this question. I waver between the car and KC's room.

After KC's and CA's huge fight, KC could have done either of two things.

#1... KC could have retreated to her room, where Caylee was already in bed, and slammed and locked the door. If Caylee was still awake (couldn't sleep because of all the yelling) or woke (again because of the fight) and was whining, KC, in a rage, may have smothered her there in the room.

Now KC doesn't dare leave the room utill CA goes to work in the morning, in case CA is restless and decides to check on Caylee at some point in the night/early morning and finds a dead child. That would explain KC's calls and texts to Tony originating at the A house for the night of the 15/16.

I think CA did listen through the door in the morning but only because the door wouldn't open. I do not think CA would have hesitated to open the door if she could. It might have been KC's room but it was CA's house.

#2...KC could have snatched up Caylee and stormed out of the house. She deposits a screaming Caylee in her car seat and leaves the driveway of the A home so that CA can see her leave. There CA, take that!

However, now that KC has defied CA, she has nowhere to go. Tone doesn't want Caylee overnight. She, KC, has worn out her welcome with her other friends while she has Caylee in tow. KC pulls into some area close by the A's (school yard?) and tries to settle Caylee down so she can think. Caylee doesn't settle, maybe whines for her gm, KC is still raging over the fight, and Caylee is killed in the car. KC cannot show up somewhere with a dead body, so KC huddles down for the night in the car, texting and calling Tone and Amy. If she were close to the A's house, the pings would still register as coming from the same cell tower.

I have always doubted GA story about seeing KC and Caylee leave on the morning/early afternoon of the 16th.

 

[KenoshaKid]

I don't want to start any rumors about this because I really can't remember much about it. I definitely recall scratches + trunk, and then the whole issue seemed to disappear. But I never forgot it.

The scratches were on the outside of the trunk as I recall, and there was some speculation they got there when she backed her car into a densely wooded area.

 

[KenoshaKid]

I vote the pool.

Caylee was wearing a swim diaper and no shoes. Cadaver dogs hit in yard. They never hit in the house.

Tracy McL said she heard conversation about Casey using shovel in the pool to get "ladder".

After Caylee drowned, Casey put her on the side of the pool, panicked and tried to bury her, but the ground was too hard so she moved her inside the playhouse(dogs hit both places).

Casey left her in the playhouse while items from house, winnie pooh blanket, heart sticker and trash bag were gathered.

The location of washer & dryer is in the garage, therefore laundry bag (and duct tape) were handy when car was backed into garage where Caylee was then placed in trunk to be transported.

Doesn't make sense any other way....jmho

Did the dogs go in the house?

 

[nyvictoria]

Did the dogs go in the house?

No, the dogs were not taken into the house. That's something I'll just never understand. Why didn't they bring the dogs into the house? Search warrant issues? Does anyone have any ideas?

 

[SuperChick]

Thanks to everyone for they're hard work and fascinating discoveries in this case. I hope I'm doing this correctly as it is my first post.

I voted for the car for several reasons although I believe the house is another distinct possibility. I had always believed GA's report of seeing Caylee alive on the 16th. Recently, I have begun to doubt his testimony. Cindy may have pressured GA to lie about this to conceal the fight, which would have caused her embarrassment as well as make KC look more suspicious if she left with Caylee after a big argument. LP, LA, JG & Mark Furman claim they have been told about the incident by different family members. I believe KC may have left with the baby right after this incident and stayed in the immediate area, suffocating the child in the car.

IMHO, the computer searches show that KC had been planning Caylee's death for a few months and perhaps she already had mixed the cloroform prior to actually using it. The cloroform was used to make the murder easier for KC as well as preventing Caylee from making noise.

One fact that made me change my mind about the murder occuring in the home on the 16th is the call placed to Jeff Hopkins parents. Sorry mods if my link doesn't work.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestSup-No3_073108.htm

Mrs. Hopkins and Mr. Hopkins advised on Juiy 16, 2008, at approximately 0500 hours, they received a telephone call on their home telephone (407-273-2789) from someone their caller identification system identified as "Anthony Casey 407-619-9286." The phone rang twice, and neither Mrs. Hopkins nor Jeffrey Hopkins answered the telephone. The caller did not leave a voicemail message. A copy of the recorded interview was submitted into evidence.

To me, this call at 5AM on the 16th only makes sense if Caylee is already dead and KC is quickly trying to formulate an alibi. Since GA & CA were in the home, I believe KC left with Caylee after the fight & killed her sometime before the 5AM call on the 16th. I believe she returned later on the 16th to bag the body and it is probably when she placed the heart shaped sticker on the mouth.

I am still unsure if the duct tape was in the car and used to suffocate the child after the cloroform was used to subdue her, or if it was applied in the home after death.

Can someone clarify the forensic findings about the cloroform in the trunk because I had trouble understanding it. From what I read, I was under the impression that the trunk levels were consistant with someone attempting to make cloroform in the trunk. Did I read this incorrectly?

 

[mom2chloe]

Thanks to everyone for they're hard work and fascinating discoveries in this case. I hope I'm doing this correctly as it is my first post.

I voted for the car for several reasons although I believe the house is another distinct possibility. I had always believed GA's report of seeing Caylee alive on the 16th. Recently, I have begun to doubt his testimony. Cindy may have pressured GA to lie about this to conceal the fight, which would have caused her embarrassment as well as make KC look more suspicious if she left with Caylee after a big argument. LP, LA, JG & Mark Furman claim they have been told about the incident by different family members. I believe KC may have left with the baby right after this incident and stayed in the immediate area, suffocating the child in the car.

IMHO, the computer searches show that KC had been planning Caylee's death for a few months and perhaps she already had mixed the cloroform prior to actually using it. The cloroform was used to make the murder easier for KC as well as preventing Caylee from making noise.

One fact that made me change my mind about the murder occuring in the home on the 16th is the call placed to Jeff Hopkins parents. Sorry mods if my link doesn't work.

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestSup-No3_073108.htm

Mrs. Hopkins and Mr. Hopkins advised on Juiy 16, 2008, at approximately 0500 hours, they received a telephone call on their home telephone (407-273-2789) from someone their caller identification system identified as "Anthony Casey 407-619-9286." The phone rang twice, and neither Mrs. Hopkins nor Jeffrey Hopkins answered the telephone. The caller did not leave a voicemail message. A copy of the recorded interview was submitted into evidence.

To me, this call at 5AM on the 16th only makes sense if Caylee is already dead and KC is quickly trying to formulate an alibi. Since GA & CA were in the home, I believe KC left with Caylee after the fight & killed her sometime before the 5AM call on the 16th. I believe she returned later on the 16th to bag the body and it is probably when she placed the heart shaped sticker on the mouth.

I am still unsure if the duct tape was in the car and used to suffocate the child after the cloroform was used to subdue her, or if it was applied in the home after death.

Can someone clarify the forensic findings about the cloroform in the trunk because I had trouble understanding it. From what I read, I was under the impression that the trunk levels were consistant with someone attempting to make cloroform in the trunk. Did I read this incorrectly?

BBM

Welcome to WS! I think you may have June and July dates mixed up. Hope this helps.

 

[The World According]

Now that I heard from Tracy's interview that Casey mentioned Chloriform can knock you out, I believe she died in the car, Casey was trying to quiet her for a brief while and this time it didn't work out that she roused.:furious:

 

[Ripley007]

I believe the duct tape was used to kill Caylee.. not because it was the easiest or best thing to use.. why not use a pillow, for example? But because it was a deliberate show of 'See what I can do when you make me mad enough!!' message from KC to her mother. It smacks of a deliberate attemt to show CA that KC woud win the confrontation, come what may! Rippp..snip...tape.. Ripppp.. snip ..paste.. ripp ..snip ...paste.... slowly and deliberatly she cut that tape and covered that baby's face with it..

once she cooled off a little she decided to get rid of the body, rathr than leave it in the back yard or pool for mom to stumble across.. but I think she was always keeping her trump card handy, one day she would show her mother Caylee's body.. with the duct tape.. boy wouldn't THAT get her Mom going??

I don't think KC even considered the possiblity of being charged with murder.. all that existed in her mind was herself and her family.. in fact it seems to me she never even thought of police involvment until those 911 calls.. even then she didn't seem worried until Lee pointed out that the police would insist on seeing Caylee, and being sure she was alright..THEN she 'jumped up' as Lee put it.. a sudden realization that this wasn't a private family quarrel which she was quite capable of handling.. it was a serious matter involving LE. Why, some people might even call it murder!!! Time to make up some story to satisfy the police.. the nanny thing would do..unless they checked into it of course.

It seems to me that KC didn't have the faintest idea what police are really about, or that she really could be held accountable by them. All that she considered was her own small world.. family and friends.. and as long as she could control them, she had no fear of anything or anyone else.

Score one for KC..apart from the damage she has caused her own family and friends, she can also have the satisfation of knowing she has made me cry for poor little Caylee.

Personally, I DO believe Caylee was killed with a pillow. Duct taped mouth, then smothered, right in KC's own Bedroom. Early morning hours of 6/16/08. By the time CA awoke, and readied for work, she most certainly DID NOT hear both KC and Caylee "breathing" through KC's locked bedroom door. Give me a break!

I agree, KC was VERY naive and stupid in her thinking that SHE was in charge of Caylee as her mother, so NOBODY, even the police, could tell her what to do or what was right. To her, Caylee was a possession. If KC, as her mother, was comfortable with her child being taken on a 30 vacay by "invisa-nanny" then WHO had the right to object if she didn't? This was her downfall.
I believe, she did some computer searches and reseach on "missing children". Well, little Ducan(?)'s mom wasn't hauled off to jail immediately....this case added to KC's delulision about the rights of a parent. JMHO.

 

[Ripley007]

BBM

Welcome to WS! I think you may have June and July dates mixed up. Hope this helps.

Welcome to Websleuths. I too, don't want to beat you up upon arrival, but tell me, do you have children or even a roomate? Today is 10/15/09. Can you identify the articles of clothing your children, spouse or roomate was wearing exactally one month ago?.....

 

[Tuffy]

Personally, I DO believe Caylee was killed with a pillow. Duct taped mouth, then smothered, right in KC's own Bedroom. Early morning hours of 6/16/08. By the time CA awoke, and readied for work, she most certainly DID NOT hear both KC and Caylee "breathing" through KC's locked bedroom door. Give me a break!

I agree, KC was VERY naive and stupid in her thinking that SHE was in charge of Caylee as her mother, so NOBODY, even the police, could tell her what to do or what was right. To her, Caylee was a possession. If KC, as her mother, was comfortable with her child being taken on a 30 vacay by "invisa-nanny" then WHO had the right to object if she didn't? This was her downfall.
I believe, she did some computer searches and reseach on "missing children". Well, little Ducan(?)'s mom wasn't hauled off to jail immediately....this case added to KC's delulision about the rights of a parent. JMHO.

BBM

I completely agree Ripley! I think Lee's statement illustrates that perfectly. When he described her shock after he explains to her that the cops will want proof that Caylee is sleeping at the nanny's. When she realizes the cops will want her to take them there to show them that Caylee is ok, he says she looked shocked.

...and that is when Casey decides to tell them that she hasn't seen Caylee in 31 days.