Whitney Houston passed away on 2/11/12 - Part 2

DNA Solves
DNA Solves
DNA Solves

New Posts

ontariolynn said:
I think she put on weight because she was drinking, it does put pounds on, and also I did think she looked great, but then she had jsut finished making a movie, and I thought, maybe she had fillers put in her face because it was full, her face was never that shape even before she was into the drugs, it was reported that she had gone to a Dr. as she wanted plastic surgery, and the Dr. would not do it, I know that you must have a strong heart, in order for a good Dr. to do it, of course there are quacks who will do it, but this Dr. refused, I believe it was mentioned on Pierce Morgan.
Click to expand...

I thought I had read that he wouldn't do the plastic surgery because she smoked.
 
21merc7 said:
That is a good suggestion for Bobbi Kristina. She would make a mint! I don't know if she is old enough to have the patience/discipline for such a thing, nor do I think she was taught those traits. It would be very healing to get some of the pent up anger, depression, feelings of constantly being let down worked through.
Click to expand...



"You wait an entire lifetime for a voice like that. You wait an entire lifetime for a look like that. You wait an entire life time." -Clive Davis


Room Number: 434 4+3+4=11
Let's take a look at a word hidden in Clive Davis. First lets put them together without a space: clivedavis.
Now, let's flip it, and spell backwards. sivadevilc... do you see it?
devil.

O.K., now, let's translate what Cliev Davis was saying when said those words. This is a man who asked the hotel management not to remove Ms. Houston's body from the building. He did not want his party to be distracted, right? Hmmm. O.K., when Clive says "You wait an entire lifetime for a voice like that." Well, we know he is not talking about himself. Let's have a look:

Clive states during his eulogy at Ms. Houston's funeral mass: "I met her in 1983." So 2012 - 1983=29.
In 1983, Clive was 50 years old. He is now 79 years old. It just doesn't fit that he is referring to himself since he met her at 50. Now, if he met her at 79, that would make sense. But she dies at 79. She dies at a moment when he says "you wait an entire lifetime." So someone is waiting..."You wait an entire lifetime for a voice like that." So we know Clive has waited a lifetime to give this voice to someone who has also waited tbroughout the course of Whitney's 48 years... we'll call this someone "Mr. D."

So, Clive wants the body on site. Whitney Houston, the greatest singer of all time. Clive wants to address the crowd, tell them he has a "heavy heart." He likes ot say that line. He also likes the fact that his party, with drinks and music (by the way, what was Diana Ross doing there? Perhaps Diana was the greatest african american, female singer before Whitney came along." and everyone, or, ot was reported, half of them are enjoying the party.

There is a ritual few circles know about. It involves the bathtub. ONe must remain under water for as long as it takes... when one dies under water... their sould passes through to the other side.

Now, in clsing, I want you to role play... think about yourself at the Beverly Hilton.... you are in the big hall where the Golden Globes are held everey year. You are standing there. Close your eyes as you put your self there that Grammy's eve night. Now, continue to think... four floors above is the real Whitney Houston... who has just passed. She is literally less than 100 yards from you.

I find there to be sufficient information that leads to the folowing conclusion:
Madonna Summoned Ises, or an evil spirt that Satan Worshippers use for these purposes. The entire ritual is masked by the "world peace" sign and her singing "like a prayer." Feb. 11 comes (they love the number 11)... the plan is executed. More Whitney albums will now be sold and viewership at the grammy's will soar. Chris Brown, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj - their three new puppets are given spotlight roles.

CounterPoint: The drug overdose argument makes sense, too. But one does not die underwater. It is impossible. Floating would occur. Also, isnlt it ironic that "The Bodyguard" also a filme, but in this case, "The Bodyguard" finds the body and says she was cold. Cold in a hot tub of water.

This si only the beginning and I can only hope that Websleuths permits this post to live.
 
Creepy.

JMO

I really don't buy into any of that.

She was a star. She died.

That's about it I guess.
 
I agree - it is super creepy. I mean, we should all have a gateway - both for our eyes, to prtect what we see, and for our ears, to protect what we hear.

When I saw and heard this, along with other info, my gateway failed me.

Why would Clive any reason not to love her for what she did to contribute to his legacy?

Well, Remember the 29 years between 1983 and 2012? Remember the number 11?

In 2001, Clive Davis was getting inducted on the rock and roll hall of fame. This was a bug honor for clive as it would be for anyone. This is the certification that you have made sufficient, important contributions to the industry. Clive decided who he wanted to induct him... he decided on the guests... and he decided who would play and perform for him on this special day.
Naturally, he chose the person who would not play for just anyone. Not many people can call Ms. Houston up and ask her to play for them. Clive was one of those people.

So he invited her to perform. She said yes, life was good.

The big day came. Everyone came. Except Whitney. It would be the begiining of a feud. Whitney loved music,,, but she did not like the people within it. There was something wrong with them.

Clive was upset. Who would ever think about a no-show to him? He was a man given extraoridnatu power within the music business. He could destroy careers... and create them. Well, when you are rich in talent and beauty... like Ms. Houston, you can send a message... and she did.

That was 2001. 11 years later... it is 2012... and Clive got his revenge. One does not select a name with the word devil spelled backwards in it... by chance...

I will close with this one:
Lady gaga
Stefanie Germanotta

Using the technique we applied with Clive... we see another example...
 
I am pretty sure Clive's mama named him, and it wasn't so it would have the word 'evil' in there.

I know someone who used to call our house and leave messages that our daughter's name meant something evil if it was spelled backwards. We were eventually able to have him committed until his meds were properly adjusted...just sayin...
 
I had predicted that we'd hear some news soon after the services, and even went so far as to say it might be early in the week.

I was wrong.

Sooner the better, still, to quell the rumormongers and horrible media attention visited upon the death (and life) of Whitney Houston.

I realize that even after the investigation report is released, whatever it is or how complete it may be, questions will remain; and with them, more carp.

Two weeks later...

RIP
 
Here are the things that i would like to know besides the toxicology results.

Whose DNA was on the 2 sandwiches and the beer and champagne in the bathroom? (seriously, WHO would eat a meal in the bathroom and why?? Sure I have eaten candy in the MY tub but never a sandwich. And why eat in a hotel bathroom where countless strangers have urinated, defecated, etc??)

Were there traces of drug found on the counters or floors etc?

Ray J claims he was nowhere near. Will surveillance tapes, phone pings or witnesses help us determine the location of this mysterious "nowhere near" location?


Now HERE is my bigger question, so bear with me on how long it takes to ask it........

ABC reports that "Around 3:15 p.m., Houston spoke to her mother, Cissy Houston, and everything still seemed to be fine.

Less than 30 minute later, at 3:43 p.m., someone from Houston's entourage called hotel security when they found an unresponsive Houston in her hotel room bathtub.

Police, who were already on the scene in preparation for the event later in the evening, arrived at Houston's room two minute later.

Officials tried to resuscitate the 48-year-old singer with CPR but were unable to revive her. Houston was pronounced dead at 3:55 p.m.

Beverly Hills police Lt. Mark Rosen said she was pronounced dead at 3:55 p.m. He said there were "no obvious signs of foul play and no obvious signs of a cause of death."

Los Angeles coroner's office officials left with Houston's body around 1:50 a.m.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...-leading-death/story?id=15567254#.T0iVhPWtA_w

So the cops get there @3:45. I presume they start CPR. I haven't found when paramedics with equipment got there but that seems an important thing to me that stands out and here is why.

I work as a first responder and when we go on a call and find a patient lifeless, we initiate CPR and there is a set protocol that is followed. On my last such call, the paramedics even had a card that had a checklist with the exact time frame that each things must be done such as injections of certain meds, running an ekg, etc. That process takes 30 minutes and only after that, with the permission of a doctor (who is in touch with the paramedics by phone from the hospital) the efforts may be stopped and death is declared. Ok, so everyone is with me so far?

Depending in the local protocol, the efforts could also be 20 minutes (such as found in the link here:
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_long_do_paramedics_work_on_a_person_before_declaring_then_dead

Now if certain criteria exists such as a patient under the age of 18, pregnant or "The patient whose cardiac arrest MAY BE associated with hypothermia, hyperthermia, drug overdose, toxicological exposures, airway obstruction or electrocution)" then the efforts should be continued beyond that 20-30 minute time frame. (BBM)

But Whitney was found at 3:43, police got there at 3:45 and TEN MINUTES LATER SHE WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD??

Why was CPR not continued for a longer period of time? When did the paramedics get there and WHEN was an IV started (which is when the 20-30 minutes in the protocol BEGINS)??

Now sure, we don't do CPR on the obviously dead with injuries incompatible with life, those who are in rigor mortis, etc.

But Whitney only got (at most) 10 minutes of CPR. Did she even get an airway established by paramedics and doses of meds that could restart her heart or counteract a drug overdose? If so , why not???? She had a history of drugs, after all.

That just strikes me as super weird. It just makes it appear that something else was going on that they declared her dead so quickly.

Anyone else find this odd? Any other medical people or first responders?
 
Oh geesh. That sacrificial numerology theory is posted all over the internet, originated with one person. Please don't perpetuate the superstitions.

Madonna didn't summon Ises or anyone else. One reason is b/c you can't, it is just a wive's tale of sorts. Her latest album plummeted this week, she is not doing well according Billboard's watch. Any other stars do not summon dead gods or icons. The only people that can make them popular are the companies backing them and getting their music/film out there, and us the purchasers of tickets, albums/cds/downloads, and actually watching what is on t.v. and internet.

If any "god" should be named in Hollywood lifestyles, you have the country wrong. Dionysus is a good blanket cover, he had no magical powers, just liked to party a lot. And let's not forget money, money is the most worshipped of the times.

No one has any magical powers. No one has ability to harness any magical powers. There are no magical powers, only magical thinking.
 
swampmama; I agree about getting DNA off the beer bottles, soda cans, forks, whatever. I think there is a lot of tale telling going to cover some hineys.

I hadn't thought about the CPR, that is a great observation. I thought it was reported they tried for half an hour, as required, but you are showing another gap in the time line!
 
Ok so upon reading more, I am finding that paramedics were already in the hotel on another call when they were called to Whitney's room. But reports are also out there that they did CPR for 20 minutes but that doesn't make sense since most sources are saying that hotel security was called at 3:43, police arrived at 3:45 and she was pronounced dead at 3:55. Can anyone find any reputable sources that give a more detailed timeline or one that is different?? Something just doesn't compute here.

This link ( http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/02/whitney-houston-death-cpr.html ) says

"Beverly Hills paramedics found singer Whitney Houston unresponsive at a room at the Beverly Hilton hotel and declared her dead after performing CPR on her for about 20 minutes, officials said. The Beverly Hills Fire Department said they were called to the hotel around 3:30 p.m. and she was pronounced dead around 4 p.m."

So if they were called at 3:30, does that refer to the call that they were already there on?
 
Around 3:15 p.m., Houston spoke to her mother, Cissy Houston, and everything still seemed to be fine.

Less than 30 minute later, at 3:43 p.m., someone from Houston's entourage called hotel security when they found an unresponsive Houston in her hotel room bathtub.

Police, who were already on the scene in preparation for the event later in the evening, arrived at Houston's room two minute later.

Officials tried to resuscitate the 48-year-old singer with CPR but were unable to revive her. Houston was pronounced dead at 3:55 p.m.
Click to expand...

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...-leading-death/story?id=15567254#.T0jhJs7RCwg

Don't know if this is any more reputable. I do think it was stated that the lady that found her (Mary Jones) was administering CPR. Only celeb gossip sites state that, and not for how long, or when she was pulled from the tub/bathroom. It still doesn't leave much time, if found at approximately 3:40 something.
http://www.tmz.com/2012/02/13/whitney-houston-aunt-mary-jones/
 
gajonka said:
"You wait an entire lifetime for a voice like that. You wait an entire lifetime for a look like that. You wait an entire life time." -Clive Davis


Room Number: 434 4+3+4=11
Let's take a look at a word hidden in Clive Davis. First lets put them together without a space: clivedavis.
Now, let's flip it, and spell backwards. sivadevilc... do you see it?
devil.

O.K., now, let's translate what Cliev Davis was saying when said those words. This is a man who asked the hotel management not to remove Ms. Houston's body from the building. He did not want his party to be distracted, right? Hmmm. O.K., when Clive says "You wait an entire lifetime for a voice like that." Well, we know he is not talking about himself. Let's have a look:

Clive states during his eulogy at Ms. Houston's funeral mass: "I met her in 1983." So 2012 - 1983=29.
In 1983, Clive was 50 years old. He is now 79 years old. It just doesn't fit that he is referring to himself since he met her at 50. Now, if he met her at 79, that would make sense. But she dies at 79. She dies at a moment when he says "you wait an entire lifetime." So someone is waiting..."You wait an entire lifetime for a voice like that." So we know Clive has waited a lifetime to give this voice to someone who has also waited tbroughout the course of Whitney's 48 years... we'll call this someone "Mr. D."

So, Clive wants the body on site. Whitney Houston, the greatest singer of all time. Clive wants to address the crowd, tell them he has a "heavy heart." He likes ot say that line. He also likes the fact that his party, with drinks and music (by the way, what was Diana Ross doing there? Perhaps Diana was the greatest african american, female singer before Whitney came along." and everyone, or, ot was reported, half of them are enjoying the party.

There is a ritual few circles know about. It involves the bathtub. ONe must remain under water for as long as it takes... when one dies under water... their sould passes through to the other side.

Now, in clsing, I want you to role play... think about yourself at the Beverly Hilton.... you are in the big hall where the Golden Globes are held everey year. You are standing there. Close your eyes as you put your self there that Grammy's eve night. Now, continue to think... four floors above is the real Whitney Houston... who has just passed. She is literally less than 100 yards from you.

I find there to be sufficient information that leads to the folowing conclusion:
Madonna Summoned Ises, or an evil spirt that Satan Worshippers use for these purposes. The entire ritual is masked by the "world peace" sign and her singing "like a prayer." Feb. 11 comes (they love the number 11)... the plan is executed. More Whitney albums will now be sold and viewership at the grammy's will soar. Chris Brown, Rihanna, and Nicki Minaj - their three new puppets are given spotlight roles.

CounterPoint: The drug overdose argument makes sense, too. But one does not die underwater. It is impossible. Floating would occur. Also, isnlt it ironic that "The Bodyguard" also a filme, but in this case, "The Bodyguard" finds the body and says she was cold. Cold in a hot tub of water.

This si only the beginning and I can only hope that Websleuths permits this post to live.
Click to expand...


I'm sorry, but you have totally lost me. I am also thinking I'm not the only one who is lost on the meaning of this post.

JMO, IMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers....
 
BigMomma said:
I saw absolutely nothing wrong with WH facial features to warrant any type of lift or even botox just 2 weeks prior to the awards show-Goodness how would she have gone to that if she was all black and blue? Make-up only covers so much-I think someone was fishing for free advertisement, imo. True, she wasn't as thin as she once was, but need to remember, she was a mature lady and she probably ate real well from all the festivities the whole week prior to what had happened-she looked healthy to me. I thought she looked absolutely amazing-she had the very best complexion bar none, and very pretty nice hands, in direct contrast to all this drug talk. It sure is a shame that's been the main topic of conversaton with all these talking heads when the poor lady wasn't even buried yet. I hate that kind of 'news'-that's back street gossip. No respect. I'm sorry if she did have a problem with drugs, but it doesn't matter if she had a problem, there are just some things in life the public should not be privvy to, kwim? These entertainers give their all for their public, the public pays-either by concerts or buying CD's, and that's pretty much where the comfort pillow ends. We used to have a saying way back in the day that an entertainer owes nothing more to the public than the cost for what they came to see or what they bought-I know it sounds cruel, but to have a sense of normalcy and privacy, that's how it is for a lot of entertainers. Every entertainer adores their fans, but they got to put that wall up and in kind, their private life shouldn't be plastered all over the 6 o'clock news every night.:seeya:
Click to expand...

Thank you for this heartfelt, poignant post. I mentioned my displeasure with media coverage over a week ago. Within hours of Whitney's untimely passing, the media had already started to speculate about an overdose of pills and booze and Ms. Houston's ongoing struggles with addiction. Media coverage deteriorated in the days prior to the funeral, and I got tired of listening to the talking heads spewing their negativity. jmo

My thoughts and prayers are with Whitney Houston's family, especially her daughter who has coped with much in her young life. Respect in peace, Whitney, and sing out loud and proud with the angels.
 
SwampMama said:
Here are the things that i would like to know besides the toxicology results.


snipped for space...
Now HERE is my bigger question, so bear with me on how long it takes to ask it........

ABC reports that "Around 3:15 p.m., Houston spoke to her mother, Cissy Houston, and everything still seemed to be fine.

Less than 30 minute later, at 3:43 p.m., someone from Houston's entourage called hotel security when they found an unresponsive Houston in her hotel room bathtub.

Police, who were already on the scene in preparation for the event later in the evening, arrived at Houston's room two minute later.

Officials tried to resuscitate the 48-year-old singer with CPR but were unable to revive her. Houston was pronounced dead at 3:55 p.m.

Beverly Hills police Lt. Mark Rosen said she was pronounced dead at 3:55 p.m. He said there were "no obvious signs of foul play and no obvious signs of a cause of death."

Los Angeles coroner's office officials left with Houston's body around 1:50 a.m.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment...-leading-death/story?id=15567254#.T0iVhPWtA_w


But Whitney was found at 3:43, police got there at 3:45 and TEN MINUTES LATER SHE WAS PRONOUNCED DEAD??


l

Anyone else find this odd? Any other medical people or first responders?
Click to expand...

THANK YOU. My 23 yr old son pointed out the same thing to me. He has not yet been hired as an EMT but he has his credentials and has gone on several ride alongs to keep current. He said if they tried to pronounce someone who had 'drowned' DEAD after 10 minutes they would be fired. The last call he was on was a child pulled from the pool. The paramedic that he rode with worked on her for over 30 minutes before she was airlifted and worked on for another solid hour. She did not make it , sadly. But nobody would have called it after 10 minutes.
 
tezi said:

I'm sorry, but you have totally lost me. I am also thinking I'm not the only one who is lost on the meaning of this post.

JMO, IMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers....
Click to expand...

I'm gonna have to knock back a few to even try to figure this mystery out.
 
tezi said:

I'm sorry, but you have totally lost me. I am also thinking I'm not the only one who is lost on the meaning of this post.

JMO, IMO, MOO, and all other disclaimers....
Click to expand...


I understand - and my intent was to yield information carefully. The external forces involved are so great, for me to pour it out would be carless, and dangerous.

So, does anyone else feel that leaving the body in the building so the party can enjoy whatever spirits are released, and not taking her out until 1.50 am -- nobody else finds that to be a bit... suspicious?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

DNASolves

Who is Fairfield County Jane Doe (1993)?

Members online

... and 134 more.
Total: 596 (members: 135, guests: 461)

Online statistics

Members online
135
Guests online
461
Total visitors
596
Totals may include hidden visitors.

Forum statistics

Threads
608,461
Messages
18,239,692
Members
234,376
Latest member
BredRick
Back
Top