Why did Madeleine 'go missing'?

[Donjeta]

Calpol contains paracetamol aka. acetaminophen which is sold in the US as Tylenol.

 

[UKgirl]

I had never heard of Calpol but read that it's a children's pain reliever available in the UK among other countries (not U.S.). I don't know whether or not is has a specific sedating effect, but many children's pain relievers can cause sleepiness. As an adult who occasionally takes Benedryl for my seasonal allergies, I know from personal experience that this OTC med causes drowsiness. When I take one 25mg. tablet, I usually can't keep my BetteDavisEyes open and am fftobed:

IIRC, Madeleine's mother is/was a physician, so she likely had access to prescription versions of children's pain relievers and/or cold/allergy medications. It might not have been necessary to give the child/children a sedative because a megadose of pain reliever and/or cold/allergy medicine could have been fatal. :moo:

As a mother of 4 kids, unless the are very unwell then calpol in my experience makes them full of beans. I use it on mine for colds flu, tummy upsets and immunisation side effects.

 

[UKgirl]

Brief statement from go in files

It would surprise me if they released all of their medical records. THe strain of having 3 children under the age of 5 and holding a full time GP position.

 

[UKgirl]

IF this is ok to post here. Please delete if not. http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-huma.../07/100-reasons-why-madeleine-mccann-was.html

DOGS

11. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the McCann's wardrobe in 5A

12. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A

13. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the veranda outside the parent?s bedroom

14. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the flower bed at the back of 5A

15. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a white sleeveless top belonging to Kate

16. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to checked trousers belonging to Kate

17. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a child?s red T shirt

18. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to a toy belonging to Madeleine

19. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's rental Scenic car

20. Eddie, the EVRD (Cadaver) dog, positively alerted to the passenger's door of the McCann's Renault Scenic

21. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted at the back of the sofa in 5A (exact same spot as alerted to by the EVRD dog)

22. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the key of the McCann's hire car

23. Keela, the CSI (Human Blood) dog, positively alerted to the interior of the hire vehicle's boot


PHYSICAL / APARTMENT / ENTRY

1. All five markers in a sample found under the tiles, behind the sofa (exactly where Eddie, the EVRD [Cadaver] dog and Keela, the CSI [Human Blood] dog, both indicated), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile

2. Fifteen of the markers, in a sample found under the luggage liner of the McCann's Scenic (hired 24 days later), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile

3. Shutters were not jemmied or forced, as claimed by the parents

4. No signs of forced entry anywhere in the apartment

5. No physical evidence of anyone having entered or left via the window, including:

6. No Lichen disturbance

7. No Fibres

8. No Finger prints of abductor

9. No footprints on bed

10. Only finger prints on the window are those of Kate

 

[brit1981]

Again the dogs alerting mean nothing given the fact the handler claims they are inconclusive, the vrd alerts to all bodily fluids even from a living person, the vrd does not have a great record despite internet myths to the contrary and once positively alerted to what the police thought was skull. It turned out it was coconut. There have also been cases where dogs have given positive alerts and person was alive. Its als wort noting at in the video the dog ignored the toy. He alerted after being called back to a dining area near some cupboards which at a later point the toy is taken out of from the centre cupboard. No explanation is given as to why it was decided the dog alerted to the toy despite officers writing of their concerns.

 

[brit1981]

It would surprise me if they released all of their medical records. THe strain of having 3 children under the age of 5 and holding a full time GP position.

two days a week is hardly full time, plus the children went to nursery.

 

[brit1981]

mine in red

PHYSICAL / APARTMENT / ENTRY

1. All five markers in a sample found under the tiles, behind the sofa (exactly where Eddie, the EVRD [Cadaver] dog and Keela, the CSI [Human Blood] dog, both indicated), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile

misleading, they are also compatible with many people including her father and other people had bled in the flat
2. Fifteen of the markers, in a sample found under the luggage liner o
f the McCann's Scenic (hired 24 days later), are 100% compatible with Madeleine's DNA profile
highly misleading. the fifteen markers were found in a batch of 37 that came from three to five people. whilst fifteen of these markers are found in madeleines dna, it was impossible to say whether these fifteen markers came from one person, they could have come from up to five different people. and all of the fifteen markers are 100% compatible with kate and gerry mcca,, madeleines grandparents and other family members all of whom were seen using the car. basicly if any two parents use a car and leave behind their dna the markers found will be 100% compatible with all of their biological children even if those children never set foor in the car.
3. Shutters were not jemmied or forced, as claimed by the parents

the parents never claimed this. this comes from an interview with a relative and she said the windows had been jemmied (which just means forced) or something. she got this from a paniked very late night phonecall from a hysterical gerry mccann, but she never actually says he says this. its a fair assumption for her to have made if gerry was screaming hysterically about finding the window open and madeleine gone.

4. No signs of forced entry anywhere in the apartment

the window was found open, and it could be opened easily from outside, the patio doors were also unlocked. other flats in complex had been robbed with no sign of forced entry either.
5. No physical evidence of anyone having entered or left via the window, including:
no reason why window was no opened to either pass madeleine out of or as emergency escape route, there were two other entrances.
6. No Lichen disturbance

there was no lichen to distrub
7. No Fibres
pj did not do a proper forensic search of the flat until months later, and lots of people had been at the window. why would fibres be left anyone there was no broken glass.

8. No Finger prints of abductor
how do you know, as the abductor has not been identified so his prints not taken, the flat was used by lots of people.

9. No footprints on bed
why would someone stand on the bed it was not near the window
10. Only finger prints on the window are those of Kate
incorrect only identified finger prints were kates, there were also unidentified prints. the abductor could have worn gloves. plus this was a rental flat yet no one finds it suspicious that the only identified prints by the window were from the person who handled the area after madeleine disappeared, where were all the other prints? plus even the pj admitted they made mistakes with the fingerprinting and did not properly search the flat forensicly for months.[/QUOTE]

scotland yard are not fools, i really think if these blogs had real evidence scotland yard might also be aware of it. But scotland yard have stated officially now the mccanns and those known to madeleine are not suspects or people of interest.

 

[ceecee30]

I think with the renewed interest from Scotland Yard we may get some better answers/ideas as to what happened / where is Madeline.

I also believe with renewed interest also comes the sobering reminder that children should never be left alone for extended time periods.

 

[Clutchbag]

mine in red


7. No Fibres
pj did not do a proper forensic search of the flat until months later, and lots of people had been at the window. why would fibres be left anyone there was no broken glass.

This is totally untrue. All forensics were done on May 4th. The only forensics done months later, were to collect blood samples where the blood dog alerted, when it was brought in by the British, you must be confused or misleading others with disinformation. Which is it? Hopefully the former, in which case, yu can educate yourself by reading the PJ files, at www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk, search for forensics. There are many links, but this is the pertinent one.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/5A_FORENSIC_4_5_7.htm

 

[jordynsmommy529]

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/childless-couple-in-link-to-maddie-mystery


This entire case gives me a headache! If they has this information years ago why was it not followed up on? I don't care were cadaver dogs alerted too, they have been wrong in the past and i'am sure they could be wrong here too as well. The Portuguese police really dropped the ball on this case. It's sad that they didn't care about maddie enough too look into all this properly.

 

[sassysleuth]

THere was 2 dogs one was a cavader dog. It alerted on madaline's cozy cat that had been washed, the stench of death stays even after washing. It also alerted a few more times in that department. the dog had been used in 200 cases and had never been wrong.

I will readily admit that I know next to nothing about cadaver dogs and the smell of death, so my question is this: how long does that smell stick around for cadaver dogs? Because I have a LOT of vintage and antique stuff, including furniture. No way to tell if anyone died around any of it. We already know cadaver dogs are not an exact science, so I'm wondering if investigators take this into consideration.

Just FYI part of me wants to believe Madeleine is alive and will be found but another part feels as though she is dead. It's such a confusing case.

 

[SapphireSteel]

Same old BS from Scotland Yard.

Lets see them actually do something instead of running numerous reviews and accusing the Portugese of being inept.

They keep squealing to the media about their brain waves eg "We haven't found her body, so she might be alive!" but no one has been questioned, nowhere has been searched, the cell phone communications of that night remain unexamined.

Until someone does something tangible, it's just more spin.

 

[brit1981]

Same old BS from Scotland Yard.

Lets see them actually do something instead of running numerous reviews and accusing the Portugese of being inept.

They keep squealing to the media about their brain waves eg "We haven't found her body, so she might be alive!" but no one has been questioned, nowhere has been searched, the cell phone communications of that night remain unexamined.

Until someone does something tangible, it's just more spin.

How do you know this as Scotland yard have said they have reinterviewed the tapas nine, but have refused to give other details of their investigation. So how did you obtain the information on what they have done?

And if a forensic search was done of the flat on the forth then any samples would have been taken then, they were not hence they had to be taken months later. For the record the only blood found in the flat belonged to a policeman. Every single item in that flat should have been taken for examination on the forth. OK instead it was left, the police allowed the cleaner in and the flat to be relet before forensics were done.

 

[brit1981]

I will readily admit that I know next to nothing about cadaver dogs and the smell of death, so my question is this: how long does that smell stick around for cadaver dogs? Because I have a LOT of vintage and antique stuff, including furniture. No way to tell if anyone died around any of it. We already know cadaver dogs are not an exact science, so I'm wondering if investigators take this into consideration.

Just FYI part of me wants to believe Madeleine is alive and will be found but another part feels as though she is dead. It's such a confusing case.

The police should, but nothing in the released files shows that the PJ investigated the furniture etc. Grime claims his dogs alert to even old transfer and the blood dog alerted to a tiny bit of blood washed from a knife thirty years previously. I don't know about you, but there is not one room in my home that will not have had a tiny speck of blood in it in the last thirty years. The dog in this case had not worked 200 cases and never been wrong that's a myth. What his handler said was that in 200 cases he had never alerted to food. The same dog was later found to have alerted to o.,d coconut in a care home in jersey sparking a murder hunt.

 

[SapphireSteel]

The Great Coconut Scandal, which so often graces these threads regarding Madeleine.

For some reason the British trained Cadaver Dog is apparently the only Cadaver Dog in history who specialises in coconut.

I have never seen a link to this accusation (despite asking numerous times) and repeating it endlessly doesn't make it so.

 

[jordynsmommy529]

http://madeleinemythsexposed.pbworks.com/w/page/39078055/Rebuttal of "Fact" 31

This is worth a look.

 

[rob]

I have always thought, that the Dr's wanted to be with their friends, and couldn't get Maddie settled down to sleep, so they drugged her. I think it happens more than we could guess, I also think it is what happened to Baby Lisa Irwin.
Now how they got rid of her body and all that, I don't know.

 

[brit1981]

I have always thought, that the Dr's wanted to be with their friends, and couldn't get Maddie settled down to sleep, so they drugged her. I think it happens more than we could guess, I also think it is what happened to Baby Lisa Irwin.
Now how they got rid of her body and all that, I don't know.

Yet there was no evidence of sedation, or drug toxicity, so that's just plucking an idea out of thin air. Plus there is no time for them to have hidden a body, and why would they fight to get the met to investigate the case if they were guilty why not leave it closed.

 

[Clutchbag]

I have always thought, that the Dr's wanted to be with their friends, and couldn't get Maddie settled down to sleep, so they drugged her. I think it happens more than we could guess, I also think it is what happened to Baby Lisa Irwin.
Now how they got rid of her body and all that, I don't know.

There is circumstantial evidence this may have happened. The mother was checking the remaining children for signs of life and breathing constantly afterwards as they didnt wake up during all the noise and commotion. But she never once asked for them or took them herself to a hospital to check them for drugs or anything else. until FOUR MONTHS later!
She just wondered if they may have been drugged and did nothing about it.
:facepalm:

 

[SapphireSteel]

Yet there was no evidence of sedation, or drug toxicity, so that's just plucking an idea out of thin air. Plus there is no time for them to have hidden a body, and why would they fight to get the met to investigate the case if they were guilty why not leave it closed.

No, it's not.

Kate was seen by several credible witnesses, checking the twins breathing.

There remains the still unexplained fact that the twins slept through the entire thing, including being removed from the apartment and carried upstairs.

We also know that Sean at least was crying with Madeleine the night before, unattended.

These were not children who slept through the night. Until the last night of the holiday.