Why This Case Will Soon Go Cold Again...

[Samantha Spade]

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-912-655-6395

And according to this link at one point he worked for CSX Railroad and has been known to be a dangerous creep since at least 2007.
One escort had claimed (either on this site or the other) that he would call her several times and was very persistent. He even offered to pay her double her fee. Who knows maybe he traveled to New York. There IS another guy in New York with the same name who is a reputable music producer. Who knows whether this guy could have hooked someone claiming to be him. Hey, maybe it's a big leap, but this guy should definitely be checked out one way or another for crimes outside of Georgia.

 

[fred&edna]

I certainly agree that paying a reasonable fee is far better than paying with a life. I just hope that even the small-time or occasional escort would have the funds to subscribe to a reputable site.

Wonder if LE or the PI has taken a look at the reviews/complaints on the forums??

 

[Samantha Spade]

Good question Fred&Edna.
and what good would the warnings do if the escort has a demanding and violent boyfriend pimp who couldnt give a damn about her safety.

 

[Samantha Spade]

Im not sure what kind of position this perv had at CSX. did he ride the trains up the east coast? Some of those trains transport feed therefore I assume burlap bags would be in abundance.
Just something to check out if they dont have the killer on their radar yet.

 

[fred&edna]

Here's a "...free site for escorts to search for dangerous client reports."

http://www.providerbuzz.com/

I hope it's reputable and I hope escorts are using it!

 

[Seaslug44]

Just as I warned in the very first post in this thread, the County does not have the money to sustain an investigation that so few of its residents care about. So here is the latest announcement of over 30 detectives accepting offers to retire to save the county money;

Source: Newsday

More than 30 Suffolk police detectives have taken the retirement incentive offered by County Executive Steve Bellone, leaving their already thinning ranks at a level some officials are calling "lower than acceptable" and even "dangerous."
Nearly 10 percent of detectives -- 31 -- departed a month ago with the incentive, more than officers (29) or supervisors (a dozen). As a result, Suffolk police have now lost 28 percent of its detectives over the past 15 years, from 443 to 321, while officers have declined less than 5 percent, from 1,784 to 1,707.
Among concerns cited by law enforcement leaders, who want some positions restored: drug investigations will suffer, daily probes such as burglaries and assaults will be delayed, and cases won't be as thoroughly documented for prosecutors...

Their request comes at a sensitive time, as Bellone has reacted to a $530 million deficit projection by cutting nearly every other aspect of county government. The retirement deal was meant to avoid 38 police layoffs. Bellone has hinted that, without concessions from the county's general employees, he may lay off more of them than the 302 leaving June 30.

Since most of the detectives assigned to the special squad that was investigating this case were senior detectives, does the special squad even exist after these retirements?

Just as predicted, the County does not have much in terms of resources to dedicate towards investigating a cold case that has not made any measurable progress. At some point they have to decide that they cannot continue to waste money investigating dead-ends.

Other than the family members of the victims and groups like ours, nobody really cares any more.

 

[LINative13]

What the article does not tell you is the Bellone and the union came up with an agreement to promote new detectives but they will not see the pay increase for atleast 9 months. So every detective leaving will eventually be replaced.

 

[truthspider]

Just as I warned in the very first post in this thread, the County does not have the money to sustain an investigation that so few of its residents care about.

How did you ascertain that so few residents of Suffolk county care about this case?

I'm guessing that you didn't actually do any due diligence on the matter and are simply pushing your opinion. Kind of like when you claim SG was a chronic drug user.... really something else ss

 

[truthspider]

Proposing that SG committed suicide is more than preposterous, it is highly offensive. Are we next going to be told that all of these "chronic drug users" committed suicide in a conspiratorial attempt to frame the good people of oak beach?

Even hinting at such a notion makes me think of John Wayne Gacy claiming he killed all those boys in self defense.

 

[Seaslug44]

Proposing that SG committed suicide is more than preposterous, it is highly offensive. Are we next going to be told that all of these "chronic drug users" committed suicide in a conspiratorial attempt to frame the good people of oak beach?

Even hinting at such a notion makes me think of John Wayne Gacy claiming he killed all those boys in self defense.

Please show me where I stated that I think that SG committed suicide?

 

[BKS]

Please show me where I stated that I think that SG committed suicide?

I hate to repeat these statements because they really are way out of line, but this is what You Seaslug said yesterday.



Yesterday you said “I agree that rational thinking makes the possibility of suicide unlikely. However, when it comes to the actions of chronic drug users or people with a history of mental illness, rational thinking is not applicable. In this case, we have a victim with a drug addiction along with a mental disorder that is known to be one of the leading factors that causes suicide (incidentally, right behind depression & bipolar disorder, substance abuse is the 2nd leading factor attributed to suicide). Time spent in foster care along with the inability to leave an abusive relationship are also on the list of risk factors.”

Seaslugg went on to say “All I can say is that a suicidal rampage cannot be ruled out because there is not a shred of evidence that points away from it.”

“we cannot make the assumption that suicide is off the table just like we cannot take "Accident" or "Homicide" off the table.”


Your words Seaslug NOT MINE!!!!!!

 

[Seaslug44]

I hate to repeat these statements because they really are way out of line, but this is what You Seaslug said yesterday.



Yesterday you said “I agree that rational thinking makes the possibility of suicide unlikely. However, when it comes to the actions of chronic drug users or people with a history of mental illness, rational thinking is not applicable. In this case, we have a victim with a drug addiction along with a mental disorder that is known to be one of the leading factors that causes suicide (incidentally, right behind depression & bipolar disorder, substance abuse is the 2nd leading factor attributed to suicide). Time spent in foster care along with the inability to leave an abusive relationship are also on the list of risk factors.”

Seaslugg went on to say “All I can say is that a suicidal rampage cannot be ruled out because there is not a shred of evidence that points away from it.”

“we cannot make the assumption that suicide is off the table just like we cannot take "Accident" or "Homicide" off the table.”


Your words Seaslug NOT MINE!!!!!!

Yes you are absolutely right. Those are my words. Thank you for posting them again because it supports my defense that I never stated that I think SG committed suicide. As you can see, I was simply stating that suicide cannot be ruled-out.

Thank you!!!

 

[WhiteLilly]

Actually, SS, you said "there is not a shred of evidence that points away from it".

To me, that sounds exactly like you are inferring that SG committed suicide.

 

[Seaslug44]

<BUMP>

This is the original discussion about how this case will/has gone cold.

 

[mysterymom7]

Yes you are absolutely right. Those are my words. Thank you for posting them again because it supports my defense that I never stated that I think SG committed suicide. As you can see, I was simply stating that suicide cannot be ruled-out.

Thank you!!!

Unless you jump off a bridge into a river or large body of water to drown as a means of suicide, I very highly doubt that a person would even be physically capable of committing suicide in knee-deep water without having a tree (or foot) holding your head in the water... and that wouldn't be considered suicide... unless you purposely cut a tree down on yourself... I would accept hypothermia as her demise before an accidental (or suicidal) drowning, but I don't believe that to be the case, either.

 

[Seaslug44]

Unless you jump off a bridge into a river or large body of water to drown as a means of suicide, I very highly doubt that a person would even be physically capable of committing suicide in knee-deep water without having a tree (or foot) holding your head in the water... and that wouldn't be considered suicide... unless you purposely cut a tree down on yourself... I would accept hypothermia as her demise before an accidental (or suicidal) drowning, but I don't believe that to be the case, either.

suicidal drug overdose can't be ruled out. Either can slitting one's wrists or dozens of other methods of suicide other drowning. Nevertheless, the mention of suicide was just to point out how much we cannot prove or disprove about a cause of death when all that can be examined are skeletal remains that are over a year old.

 

[mysterymom7]

suicidal drug overdose can't be ruled out. Either can slitting one's wrists or dozens of other methods of suicide other drowning. Nevertheless, the mention of suicide was just to point out how much we cannot prove or disprove about a cause of death when all that can be examined are skeletal remains that are over a year old.

Lots can be ruled out with year old skeletal remains, it's called process of elimination with the information the ME/toxicology reports have given us.

 

[PreciousDust]

Just so you are aware, Steve Bellone's campaign headquarters is located at 4309 Oak Beach, Oak Beach, NY 11702 source

I am not very good at interpreting campaign contribution reports (so someone is going to have to explain this one to me). Steve Bellone's campaign has been called "Friends of Steve Bellone". Back when he was in the running for the Babylon Town Supervisor (as well as the re-election), you can see the financial report for the $295,229.84 in contributions that were reported to the NYS Board of Elections here. What I don't get is out of the $295,229.84 that was donated to Friends of Steve Bellone when he was running for supervisor, $193,314.84 of that money came from one lump contribution from Oak Beach;



I just don't understand. Is this a misprint or is it saying that the campaign dontated $193,314.84 to itself?

And if they did, where did they get the cash?

4309 Oak Beach is not an address, it's a post office box; the address it's associated with is a home at 58 Savannah Road. That address is owned by Robert Stricoff, who is the treasurer for Friends of Steve Bellone.

 

[LINative13]

4309 Oak Beach is not an address, it's a post office box; the address it's associated with is a home at 58 Savannah Road. That address is owned by Robert Stricoff, who is the treasurer for Friends of Steve Bellone.

Bobby is also the Democrat Chairman of Babylon. I had addressed this a while ago. People were trying to say that Oak Beach was contributing so much money to Steve which is why they arent investigating fully. Unfortunately, the story is not that juicey; it's called "working from home."

 

[hawkshaw]

4309 Oak Beach is not an address, it's a post office box; the address it's associated with is a home at 58 Savannah Road. That address is owned by Robert Stricoff, who is the treasurer for Friends of Steve Bellone.

WOW, PRECIOUS DUST. And we both know what those addresses are connected to who.