GUILTY WI - Dr. Beth Potter and husband murdered at UW Arboretum, Madison, March 2020 *Arrests*

[stmarysmead]

I’m glad to hear about the plea. I have a suspicion that this young man was pulled into something that he never expected. I hope he will answer the question as to whether Miriam was involved in the planning or not.

Khari was a golden boy to many in that community. He was chosen for a special summer position by the Mayor...he was football captain...praised and lauded as a success story as a child taken into foster care yet raised so well by ‘the village.” His story makes me despair of what it takes to solve societal problems.

So much was done for him. His ego was stroked and pumped up by other students and politicians alike....handsome, athletic, smart. Of course, Larrue would want to included in the magic circle.

And among those who ‘gave’ to him, emotionally and financially, were his victims. They took him into their home, let him sleep with their teenage daughter, fed and clothed him...and when the teenagers refused to comply with necessary Covid rules...indulged them with an apartment and car of their own.

I wonder what they each thought as he put the gun to their head.

I wonder how HE felt.

Obviously entitled. Entitled to kill. And so powerful. Khari must have felt soooo powerful.

I imagine him strutting on that trail, the “man with the gun”......laughing, forcing the Potters, terrified, freezing in their night clothes to submit to his power. Mr Potter was only in his underwear...Beth Potter, barefoot, wearing pajamas.

He herded them out into that freezing night. Think 0f it.

What a high! having Larrue there to witness his power was an added thrill.

Obviously devoid of any human compassion, devoid of any response to the reactions he saw in their terrified faces. So many people, including the Potters cared deeply about his feelings, his needs. But all that love and compassion evoked no love compassion,NO humanity from Khari in return.

The Potters got no more human emotion from him than from a copperhead or a rabid dog they might have encountered on that trial.

Love does not conquer all.

End of social experiment. Result: FAILURE.

 

[Kemug]

So tragic - but I have no sympathy whatsoever for Khari, he deserves whatever sentence he gets, and I hope he never sees freedom ever again. His story couldn't have been any worse if he'd been left where he was, and not fostered. Just a bad seed. I wonder if he will ever say what he was feeling - not only when he was committing the crime, but in the years leading up to it.

 

[Cryptic]

I’m glad to hear about the plea. I have a suspicion that this young man was pulled into something that he never expected.

I also share your suspicions that Larrue was pulled into a crime that he did not initiate and that the crime was escalated at the whims of a charismatic lead perpetrator to double murder.

Even with the possibility of an escalating crime, Larrue knew at a bare minimum that Khari was angry, armed and that they were going to somebody's home to force the victims to give them things that they would not otherwise be inclined to give

In the end, Larrue knew that they were not going to that home to sell girl scout cookies. I just hope the plea bargain is not too generous and fear that in Madison, it will be.

 

[BeckyF]

I’m glad to hear about the plea. I have a suspicion that this young man was pulled into something that he never expected. I hope he will answer the question as to whether Miriam was involved in the planning or not.

Khari was a golden boy to many in that community. He was chosen for a special summer position by the Mayor...he was football captain...praised and lauded as a success story as a child taken into foster care yet raised so well by ‘the village.” His story makes me despair of what it takes to solve societal problems.

So much was done for him. His ego was stroked and pumped up by other students and politicians alike....handsome, athletic, smart. Of course, Larrue would want to included in the magic circle.

And among those who ‘gave’ to him, emotionally and financially, were his victims. They took him into their home, let him sleep with their teenage daughter, fed and clothed him...and when the teenagers refused to comply with necessary Covid rules...indulged them with an apartment and car of their own.

I wonder what they each thought as he put the gun to their head.

I wonder how HE felt.

Obviously entitled. Entitled to kill. And so powerful. Khari must have felt soooo powerful.

I imagine him strutting on that trail, the “man with the gun”......laughing, forcing the Potters, terrified, freezing in their night clothes to submit to his power. Mr Potter was only in his underwear...Beth Potter, barefoot, wearing pajamas.

He herded them out into that freezing night. Think 0f it.

What a high! having Larrue there to witness his power was an added thrill.

Obviously devoid of any human compassion, devoid of any response to the reactions he saw in their terrified faces. So many people, including the Potters cared deeply about his feelings, his needs. But all that love and compassion evoked no love compassion,NO humanity from Khari in return.

The Potters got no more human emotion from him than from a copperhead or a rabid dog they might have encountered on that trial.

Love does not conquer all.

End of social experiment. Result: FAILURE.

This is great news! Let’s hope he spills it all on Khari! And anyone else who played a part before or after the murders.

 

[Kemug]

For example, the daughter.

 

[JerseyGirl]

Photos of guns proposed as evidence in teen's trial in killings of Madison physician, husband

Prosecutors propose using photos of a Madison teenager posing with a hand gun as evidence in his upcoming trial in the homicides of prominent Madison physician Dr. Beth Potter and her husband Robin Carre.

Prosecutors also propose to use photos of evidence seized from the home of Khari Sanford, 19, in his October trial.

Larrue is scheduled for a plea hearing May 25, where he is expected to enter a plea of guilty of no contest to an amended charge, or charges. The specific change from the first degree intentional homicide charge has yet to be revealed, nor has there been any comment on whether Larrue will testify against Sanford as part of a plea agreement. Prosecutors have asked that a sentence on any conviction for Larrue take place after Sanford's trial.

 

[Laughing]

Photos of guns proposed as evidence in teen's trial in killings of Madison physician, husband

Prosecutors propose using photos of a Madison teenager posing with a hand gun as evidence in his upcoming trial in the homicides of prominent Madison physician Dr. Beth Potter and her husband Robin Carre.

Prosecutors also propose to use photos of evidence seized from the home of Khari Sanford, 19, in his October trial.

Larrue is scheduled for a plea hearing May 25, where he is expected to enter a plea of guilty of no contest to an amended charge, or charges. The specific change from the first degree intentional homicide charge has yet to be revealed, nor has there been any comment on whether Larrue will testify against Sanford as part of a plea agreement. Prosecutors have asked that a sentence on any conviction for Larrue take place after Sanford's trial.

Now would this be the home paid for by Beth Potter and Robin Carre?

Mr. Larrue, thank you for standing up bravely to help right a wrong. Mr. Larrue, this is the kind of thing an adult does. Thank you for taking this step!

Less formally, Larrue manned up IMHO. Proud of him!

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[stmarysmead]

If the guns were in the home, Miriam was also in the home. What did Khari, the darling of the political elite of that city, need with guns in their rental?

'This was a brutal execution': Prosecutors allege pair kidnapped, shot couple in UW Arboretum


‘In an email to fellow City Council members Tuesday, council president Shiva Bidar said Sanford had been the Wanda Fullmore intern in the council’s office last summer, and a July 29 Tweet from Mayor Satya Rhodes-Conway shows her posing with Sanford after a three-on-three basketball tournament in the Allied Drive neighborhood.’

snip

‘Sanford was active with a community group in the Allied Drive neighborhood known as the Brotherhood, which organized sports for youth and served as a place for racial justice advocacy and mentoring for black teenage boys.

He was also arrested last year for car theft and accepted into a deferred prosecution program in February, according to online court records.

“We’re all pretty complicated,” court commissioner Jason Hanson said in the Tuesday hearing. “There are a lot of facets to our lives.”
.....

Here is the tweet from the Mayor with Khari...who was also given a prestigious appointment to work in the governmental offices in the summer.



Mayor of Madison
@MayorOfMadison
·
Jul 29, 2019


The 3 on 3 basketball tournament at Applied Park was terrific! Happy to join in with Katy Farrens and Khari Sanford for a great day. Special thanks to Katy and the Brotherhood for all their advocacy to get this full-sized court at the park. #alliedpark #Brotherhood
@playmadison

 

[Cryptic]

Mr. Larrue, thank you for standing up bravely to help right a wrong. Mr. Larrue, this is the kind of thing an adult does. Thank you for taking this step!

Less formally, Larrue manned up IMHO. Proud of him!

I wish I shared a fraction of your adulation for Larrue. In the end, however, I have a very different view of the totality of the situation:

- Larrue, though in all probability not the lead participant, agrees to participate in a crime involving a weapon, entering a home and taking things from innocent victims (victims had not say, perpetrated a drug "rip off" against Larrue and Khairi).

- The crime escalates to double murder. Larrue is not outwardly bothered by the double murder and makes no effort to "right a wrong" by say turning himself in.

- Larrue eventually experiences a change of heart- only after he gets arrested and is now personally facing severe punishment.

- Larrue then wants to help right a wrong- well, only on the conditions that he receives a very tangible personal benefit (plea bargain) from doing so.

- Larrue wont receive his punishment until after the lead perpetrator's trial. My cynical guess is that this also benefit's Larrue as the more enthusiastic his testimony is (which undoubtably means maximizing the other participant, and minimizing himself), the greater he helps himself. This creates room for spun, self serving testimony.

 

[JosieMae]

I wish I shared a fraction of your adulation for Larrue. In the end, however, I have a very different view of the totality of the situation:

- Larrue, though in all probability not the lead participant, agrees to participate in a crime involving a weapon, entering a home and taking things from innocent victims (victims had not say, perpetrated a drug "rip off" against Larrue and Khairi).

- The crime escalates to double murder. Larrue is not outwardly bothered by the double murder and makes no effort to "right a wrong" by say turning himself in.

- Larrue eventually experiences a change of heart- only after he gets arrested and is now personally facing severe punishment.

- Larrue then wants to help right a wrong- well, only on the conditions that he receives a very tangible personal benefit (plea bargain) from doing so.

- Larrue wont receive his punishment until after the lead perpetrator's trial. My cynical guess is that this also benefit's Larrue as the more enthusiastic his testimony is (which undoubtably means maximizing the other participant, and minimizing himself), the greater he helps himself. This creates room for spun, self serving testimony.

Wish I could like this 100 x 100. Anyone who commends Larrue or has sympathy for his behavior is sadly misguided. This tolerance for thuggish behavior is what sent the Potters to their graves.

 

[Laughing]

Not so tolerant. This kid's sister was murdered, I can give him more slack for poor choices.

Sanford? Code-switched himself into City Hall, showing his capability of continuing to earn a lifestyle that he seemed to want.

Then reverted to and killed his girlfriend's parents when they wouldn't give him what he wanted.

That girlfriend's testimony may be quite interesting. Still wondering about accomplice/accessory charges....

 

[JosieMae]

Considering this despicable perp experienced the murder of a family member himself makes his "poor choices" that much harder to accept.

 

[stmarysmead]

Miriam. What did these parents do to deserve...Miriam?

I hope that she has not been afforded any special dispensation here. At the least it is alleged that she helped initiate the plot to rob her parents. She lied for Khari. Now we find out that Khari had weapons in their apartment.

I wonder where she’s been living and if she will testify.

 

[jondaba]

Latest on the Teddy Bear as his mom calls him:

Photos of guns proposed as evidence in teen's trial in killings of Madison physician, husband

 

[jondaba]

She lied for Khari. Now we find out that Khari had weapons in their apartment.

I wonder where she’s been living and if she will testify.

Me too! Who is harboring her?

We will never hear her side of the story. She is or will be ready to throw Khari under the bus.

With her and Larrue ready to point the finger at him, Khari will have no choice but to take a plea of 15 to life with credit for time served.

So no explanation as to how the little girl the Potters took to their bosom turned out to be a serpent.

maybe see William March’s novel “The Bad Seed”

 

[stmarysmead]

Latest on the Teddy Bear as his mom calls him:

Photos of guns proposed as evidence in teen's trial in killings of Madison physician, husband

From the article...


‘Court records also say prosecutors propose introducing as evidence a photo of camouflage pants that contain Potter's DNA. Authorities say the pants were recovered in a search of garbage at the apartment of Sanford and Potter's daughter after the homicides.

Prosecutors also ask to introduce as trial evidence a video of Sanford trying to withdraw money from a Madison ATM using Potter's debit or credit card after the fatal shootings.

In court documents, prosecutors argue what's termed "other acts evidence" should be admitted at trial because the photos, video, and text messages show Sanford's familiarity with the type of gun used in the murder, reinforces theft as part of a motive for the killings and includes material that ties Sanford to at least one victim in the homicide's aftermath.”

So where did he change from the camo pants? In the apartment? Then how can Miriam be ignorant of what happened? And at some point he goes to the ATM. When?
Yet Miriam was fully prepared to lie for him.

 

[jondaba]

As usual, Shakespeare said it best:

Lear:
If she must teem,
Create her child of spleen, that it may live
And be a thwart disnatur'd torment to her!
Let it stamp wrinkles in her brow of youth,
With cadent tears fret channels in her cheeks,
Turn all her mother's pains and benefits
To laughter and contempt, that she may feel
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
To have a thankless child!

 

[stmarysmead]

As usual, Shakespeare said it best:

Lear:
If she must teem,
Create her child of spleen, that it may live
And be a thwart disnatur'd torment to her!
Let it stamp wrinkles in her brow of youth,
With cadent tears fret channels in her cheeks,
Turn all her mother's pains and benefits
To laughter and contempt, that she may feel
How sharper than a serpent's tooth it is
To have a thankless child!

Yes, King Lear...and from Hamlet...”Leave her to Heaven and those thorns that within her bosom lie...to prick and sting her.”

 

[jondaba]

But wasn’t Hamlet’s curse misplaced?

 

[jondaba]

At the risk of going off topic, I want to thank you for that quote. It explains to me the underlying meaning of Mana-Santana song entitled Corazon Espinado!