DutchTreat
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I think you might be surprised.Because no matter what, he was never going to be MENSA material?
I think you might be surprised.Because no matter what, he was never going to be MENSA material?
She may still have her wrist watch. He may never have thought to take it off of her or he figured why would he care if she did know what time it was.Midnight.....how would she know when it was midnight? Why say it if she didn't have some sort of access to a clock? MOO
I assume if she gained his trust he was talking to her as you would your partner, as creepy as that is. In that case, whether she had access to a clock really isn't the point.
Yes, media needs to quit referring to that as a cabin...it is a full fledged house.
Better pics of the lunatic's house at this link too. Thanks!
All this talk about trauma and what it does or doesn’t cause.
Highly reccommend reading “The Body Keeps Score” for a comprehensive look at PTSD and it’s life long effects.
No two people respond directly the same ; even to the same trauma. (In the book two people are in a car crash together and their responses are vastly different. One develops severe flashbacks, nightmares, etc. The other is almost non chalant about it. Why? For the one with the PTSD symptoms it was their first trauma. The other had many childhood traumas that taught the brain to disassociate).
Bottom line: No two people with the same illness, personality disorder, mental impairment or trauma will react or act in the exact same ways because no two people have ever lived the exact same life.
She may still have her wrist watch. He may never have thought to take it off of her or he figured why would he care if she did know what time it was.
Someone else pointed out that (at least when he was caught), JP was driving, not walking, which would have been necessary to follow her tracks. Also, Jayme was wearing overly large shoes when she approached the dog walker. If those were JP's shoes, as some have suggested, that might've made it harder for him to follow her tracks, which, though fresher than his, might have gotten mixed up with his own tracks.
I don't agree with your high estimation of suspect.I think you might be surprised.
I really think all that Bellyup was saying is that no one knows how Jayme or anyone else will react. Each person is different. I don’t believe she was arguing that Jayme won’t be traumatized. We just can’t know specifically how she will react to this trauma.You're missing the point. The point is that victims of TARGETED PERSONAL, severe, depersonalizing trauma such as forced abduction after seeing one's parents murdered ( most likely she saw or he told her soon as a control method), being held in a strange place perhaps with blindfolds, gags, bindings, handcuffs, deprivation of food, basic sanitation and any sense of time and place WOULD BREAK YOU AND A WAR- HARDENED POW in your spirit and parts of your mental processing.
Sure, you both would react " differently", all people process and react " differently", more accurately stated as uniquely individually, but enough research has been done on the subject for us to know without one iota of doubt that a conscious or partly conscious prisoner will have trauma to recover from in the future.
Also, you give the example of 2 car accident survivors where one deals better because they've been through many car accidents before.
I sincerely hope you are not saying that a survivor of abuse which is repeated responds less than one who has never been abducted and abused before. IOW, the analogy SUCKS.
Unless it is dealt with by the person in their own productive and healthy ways, usually with guidance and loving support, then they might as well still BE in the basement in the dark with little food, water, sanitation for the rest of their lives.
We cannot heal from this level of trauma we cannot acknowledge or admit and ask someone we trust to support us emotionally as we are dealing with the hdealing.
Not really. It all looks like junk. Now, on the most recent (I assume drone footage), there is a circle and a rectangle behind the house at the edge of the trees. My first thought was a cheap pool and a dog enclosure, but it would be an odd place to put both of those things. I don't know...In the older google earth versions, there is an odd array of strewn clutter opposite & southwest of the property structures (across back/side yard). It seemed like buckets? I can make out that something is still there but it's difficult to determine. Have you other ideas about those scattered shapes?
I wonder if he had done that before, leaving until midnight, and if he did where did he go and what did he do. I got the impression there wasn't much to do up there, so where did he go for 3 to 4 hours?I was probably just reading too much into it. Trying to get a picture I my head....IDK. It just bugged me that he said midnight. Not just later, after dark....etc. Again, I know it is irrelevant to the whole story. And impossible to get into the head of that monster anyways.
I'm guessing they lived off of microwaved food and there's probably a clock on it.it was said some pages back that she didn't know how much time had passed, didn't know that Christmas had come and gone already. why would she know the time of day or night if she didn't know how many days had passed.
He likely came to their door as a salesman or something to case the place out. It is my guess that he put a lot of time into planning this crime out.
In the last thread (sorry don't know how to quote from there) someone posted about the property taxes on the Patterson house: "& something about a lottery credit. (I have no idea what that is)"
It's something Wisconsin residents get. I think there are some requirements like it has to be your primary residence or something like that. Every little bit helps since Wisconsin property taxes are ridiculously high.