AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #11

[BlinkOfAnI]

Most areas have an appraisal database that shows the layout of the home. I can't seem to find one for WI, anyone else have any luck? I found the register of deeds, but none of the docs have any layout of the home on them.

I looked as well and couldn't find a layout.

 

[photographer4]

Does anyone know or have heard of what was in the suitcase?

If the suitcase was of evidentiary value, wouldn't it be bagged and tagged? But it wasn't... at least not bagged, so unsure if it was part of the evidence or not....

 

[bizzle2]

Does anyone know or have heard of what was in the suitcase?

It was the medical examiner's suitcase

 

[4SAM]

does anyone think its odd that after almost 10 days, there have been no spotting of her or the vehicles in question? Does that mean that they are holed up somewhere, which if that is the case then this is premeditated?

 

[photographer4]

Theory:

Police seemed to still think James was a suicide. Why is that? It seems they thought so til they found Denise and didn't find a gun. I'm guessing they thought that because of where the bullet(s) entered his person. EG: a suicidal person doesn't shoot himself in the leg or the arm... he shoots himself by eating a bullet, or head shot (right?).

 

[Mandie K]

Welcome, thanks for sharing! I am intrigued by the first video shot of the doorway. You can briefly see inside and there are red and white somethings in the background. Are those evidence markers?

Edit: around the :31 second mark, I tried to add image let me know if it doesn't work

From watching all the video's out there, does anyone feel as if they gave the side deck more focus then the front? Just wondering everyone's views.

 

[daisy6441]

Maybe it wasn’t a high powered gun. Handgun vs shotgun. I don’t think multiple rounds would be needed with a shotgun, especially at close range

Depends on the ammo. Bird shot would tear you up but not necessarily do serious damage.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

If the suitcase was of evidentiary value, wouldn't it be bagged and tagged? But it wasn't... at least not bagged, so unsure if it was part of the evidence or not....

Yes I edited my post to ask if the suitcase looked like it had a tag on it.I'm sorry.I should have said that in my post.I'm just curious to see a picture of the suitcase.

 

[Ari_]

does anyone think its odd that after almost 10 days, there have been no spotting of her or the vehicles in question? Does that mean that they are holed up somewhere, which if that is the case then this is premeditated?

I think that's probably the case. But, if they are holed up somewhere, they gotta show themselves or their cars eventually.

 

[Shurlokt]

I’m thinking that if it was someone who wanted Jayme for child trafficking purposes they are easier ways to procure a victim.
Also if this is someone who is out to kill the parents, why not wait till everyone is asleep, 1 bedroom 2 victims. No mess no fuss. Easy scene to control.
To show your face or make a big dramatic scene, it feels a lot more personal. I want you to know who I am and what I’m doing.
That doesn’t scream random to me.

I have been wondering if the human trafficking angle is part of a working theory. I check the DOJ "Justice News" page and the "Offices of the United States Attorneys" quite often just to see what AG Sessions DOJ is getting done. It has been rather remarkable the volume of human trafficking cases there have been and the number of people rescued since the Trump Administration has been sworn in. Additionally the drug trafficking offense convictions are also up significantly. Both of these must be putting great pressure on suppliers.

Justice News

News

 

[PommyMommy]

Thank You.I just wanted to see a picture of it if I can.Did it look like a tag was on it?

About the :48 mark. Yes, it looks like a pink tag perhaps.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2270177139894062

 

[JohnTate90210]

From watching all the video's out there, does anyone feel as if they gave the side deck more focus then the front? Just wondering everyone's views.

Definitely:

 

[daisy6441]

Definitely:

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If dad was shoot at the front door they wouldn't want to walk in and out that way and risk messing up the evidence.

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

Do we REALLY need to keep going back and forth about a communication error here ? It happens. Let's move on, please.

Not sure if its helps but I deleted the words in my response post (asking for more info) in hopes it will lessen confusion to new readers.

 

[MsBetsy]

No blood seen on the storm door - how far in to the house did the perp get before shooting James? Had to be James backing up as perp advancing!

That would seem to be the case, since only his feet were seen to be out of the door. I wonder how many feet away he would have to be for the blood not to get on the door. Wouldn't it spray in the other direction, towards the inside of the house?

 

[Crystal Regan]

Has anyone considered the possibility that Jayme wasn’t supposed to be home? Maybe she was staying the night with a friend or relative and the plans fell through?

 

[Habibte]

It has been rather remarkable the volume of human trafficking cases there have been and the number of people rescued since the Trump Administration has been sworn in. Additionally the drug trafficking offense convictions are also up significantly. Both of these must be putting great pressure on suppliers.

Agreed shurlokt .... i would think that a main attribute in supplying human trafficking victims would be stealth and not drawing the attention of the police, fbi and world media. This human trafficking scenario doesn’t fit at all IMO

 

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[pinkfly]

Because, IMO, not due to anything that's been said by LE at this time, but because Denise was said to be in the home, there's a high chance that there was sexual assault in the victimology. That's not something usually released when the daughter is still missing and could possibly still be alive, I don't think.
I believe it would not extend her chance of survival at all.

I hope this makes sense. I know what I mean. It's like not saying " kidnapped" but " endangered missing". They want to use the LEAST INFLAMMATORY terms possible for that slim chance that Jayme is alive so the abductor doesn't panic and kill her.

We know the chances are high that at some point, when the autopsies are completed, we will know more of what happened to each parent. If I was holding the press conference and was asked the question about where Denise was found, and what was believed to have happened inside the house prior to James's arrival and the progression to gunshots, I'd say: " There's time for this info to be told, and it will be forthcoming as soon as the forensic autopsies are concluded and correlated with our crime scene processing data, but now, they are looking for the little girl first and foremost".

I was firmly in the camp of Jayme being the target. Once Mark Fuhrman said he felt it was Denise I have really been wondering about his reasons. I feel like he would not put something out there unless he had some good reasons. Then I read @SeekingJana 's comment answering someone else about why they might be keeping Denise's body location undisclosed. If this case gets solved and closed and we are able to see the facts and autopsy reports we may well find that a sexual assault in the home might be the insider info MF had.

I still can't get my head around taking Jayme if she wasn't the target but it may have been her close resemblance to her mother making her a younger more compliant version.

 

[Ms Suzanne]

About the :48 mark. Yes, it looks like a pink tag perhaps.

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=2270177139894062

Ok.Thank You very much for helping me.

 

[Crystal Regan]

I wonder if the blinds got damaged in a struggle or if they were like that due to a pet?