AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #12

[Aqua]

Seeing Molly's sad eyes had me crying like a baby. That pup misses her humans! Down here in Southeastern Wisconsin...We are praying for ya Jayme! Seeing Barron pull together for this sweet child warms our hearts. Wisconsin Strong!

 

[Ari_]

Sheriff Fitzgerald is quoted as saying at an Oct. 17 news conference, "[Jayme's] parents died from gunshot wounds. That’s why we are ruling this a homicide."

Jayme Closs Parents: Cause of Death Released | Heavy.com

Thank you PGP.

 

[Ari_]

Paul Blume‏Verified account @PaulBlume_FOX9
Sheriff says a fresh Investigative evidence team went thru the Closs family home today. To re-examine the crime scene in case anything missed. We're told some new items were removed. Says they don't want to miss anything in #JaymeCloss search. #FindJaymeCloss

2:11 PM - 24 Oct 2018

LE are going through this very finely. This is why I haven't given up that they are onto something or will be soon.

 

[GadzookGal]

Someone had asked further up on these two subjects:


Picture day according to the school calendar was 9/4. A lot of the schools in the area use Life Touch as their provider. All their photos are digital, so would it be unusual to have school pictures already - no. Our kids had orientation/picture taken the week right before Labor Day and we received the photos the first week of October. Also, I’d have to believe that LE could contact school or the photo provider for a digital image of a most recent image of her if need be.

Someone asked about trains - the experience we have in western WI - the trains hauling are generally very long, very heavy and haul fast in the nighttime. In my area, tracks are owned by BNSF and CN. It’s more common to be hauling sand hoppers (Bloomer is right down the road - sand mines with product hauling to Canada or points south like TX or OK), liquid tankers, shipping containers or semi trailers, not as many box cars. A question I’d have is how many crossings does the train track nearby have heading to town? The trains will signal as they get closer w their air horns - loud and long and frequent especially if they are coming into a town with a lot of crossings. I know anywhere from 10pm -5am our trains are fast, loud and maybe if one was going through when those two gun shots were heard maybe it muffled other noises that could otherwise be discerned clearly.

My question: Does the factory have a lot of empty turkey hauler trailers on their property? I know some meat producers in the state always seem to have trailers on property in various stages of use. Would this have been an area looked at just to say it’s cleared?

I also commend the aunt who read her prepared notes, she kept a fairly even tone to get her message out in this time when sorrow can overtake easily I’m sure. May this family have continued strength.

 

[SquidFarts]

Picture day according to the school calendar was 9/4. A lot of the schools in the area use Life Touch as their provider. All their photos are digital, so would it be unusual to have school pictures already - no. Our kids had orientation/picture taken the week right before Labor Day and we received the photos the first week of October.

Lifetouch came to my kid's daycare to do their school pics and they quoted us 2-3 weeks to get the photos. It took exactly 3 weeks. Totally possible

 

[Aqua]

Lifetouch came to my kid's daycare to do their school pics and they quoted us 2-3 weeks to get the photos. It took exactly 3 weeks. Totally possible

Sounds about right. Great screen name, BTW. I needed the laugh.

 

[mtnlites]

Do pervs/pedophiles behave like that? Breaking through a door, and killing two adults...all just to grab a <modsnipped unnecessary comment> 13 year old?

We have a large number of registered sex offenders in my small county, and the majority of them who are pedophiles were arrested for assaulting family members or children they had easy access to. I have no stats on hand to back this up, but I think it's a lot like abductions-the majority of crimes are probably committed close to home and not by strangers. I don't think your average pedophile would break in and kill the parents to take the child. With that being said, I absolutely believe that someone who was obsessed with her, or someone who thought they might be "saving" her, could do that. The bad thing is that this person may not have a history of child abuse or sexual assault. This crime may not be sexually motivated. (Then again, maybe it is.)

 

[mtnlites]

A small town, modern technology, DNA, people know each other in town and at their work places and it's been 10 days! No progress no suspects that we know of. This is not impressive.

The lack of information released to public is not necessarily indicative of the progress they've achieved in their investigation.

 

[oviedo]

Anyone else think those 2 gun shots were what killed the dad and the mom was killed another way? I think most people would shoot at least twice at an target and there were no other gunshots heard unless the neighbors slept through it.

You may want to review page 1 of thread -both died of gunshot - no mention of other injuries

 

[photographer4]

I disagree with you here, but I can certainly see how that conclusion can be drawn. In my view, stating that the dog only wants chicken wouldn't be speaking to a captor. That's a bit more intimately crafted, IMO. The rest could go either way for me.

JMO.

The dog only wants chicken? Things that make you go hm when the parents worked at a Turkey Store....

 

[zecats]

Seeing Molly's sad eyes had me crying like a baby. That pup misses her humans! Down here in Southeastern Wisconsin...We are praying for ya Jayme! Seeing Barron pull together for this sweet child warms our hearts. Wisconsin Strong!

Me too. She really did looked confused and saddened. I'm grateful the aunt was so loving with her. And Molly with the aunt. They both need that connection.

 

[zecats]

Right. Right now it's all just a little misunderstanding. We know you didn't mean to hurt anyone, that you're not going to hurt Jayme. You like her. You can work with us. Here's her dog!

It's not a bad idea.

I don't know..anything to get Jayme back for sure. But this person did just brutally murder 2 people. Her parents.

 

[Aqua]

Not sure about the plant in Barron but, Jennie O does offer chicken products.
Oven Roasted Deli Chicken Breast | JENNIE-O® Product Info

 

[Mollyandme]

She was “scripted” (to some aspects) and she went over and over this SEVERAL times before she actually went on air. This is VERY typical for the FBI to do... you also note that as soon as she was done she was escorted back into the building immediately! That’s why she had the “weird vibe”.
She was used to help “get” to the people that have Jayme or to Jayme. This tactic was used in the Smart girl case and SEVERAL others.

Praying for you everyday Jayme... it’s time to come home sweetheart!

thats exactly what I was trying to say and have stated in multiple posts before this one. I don't think she had a weird vibe at all if you look at my previous posts. I was trying to explain why it may seem that way to people who did think that.

 

[mtnlites]

I don't know..anything to get Jayme back for sure. But this person did just brutally murder 2 people. Her parents.

Yes, I realize that. I was replying to the post that said that they may have been appealing to the perp as a human being and using psychology to make them feel more secure. The FBI has information that we don't. My take is that their methods of communication, as well as their words, are tailored to the profile of this individual. If they think that appealing to them by talking to Jayme is helpful, and that resisting certain words such as "suspect" and "killer" is a good idea, then it probably is.

 

[secretslob]

• Your family and friends miss you so much — your sparkling eyes, your bright smile, your soft little giggles
• Your dog Molly is waiting for you. She’s sleeping in one of your sweatshirts — and will only eat chicken.
• Grandpa needs new artwork on his fridge.
• Aunt Susie wants to go jogging in the park with you
• that girls shopping date we planned
• your favorite iced coffee

This could be seen as a laundry list of reasons to go on living — all that you have waiting for you, all of those who are longing for you.

I've been thinking the aunt's words could also have been crafted to give Jayme the motivation and courage to try to escape if she's being held captive somewhere. At this point, with few leads for LE to go on (at least as far as we know, anyway), her best chance at survival may be to save herself. Reminding her of what she has waiting for her at home, despite the deaths of her parents, may help keep her focused on getting away or somehow signaling for help.

 

[JohnTate90210]

Someone had asked further up on these two subjects:


==SNIP==

Someone asked about trains - the experience we have in western WI - the trains hauling are generally very long, very heavy and haul fast in the nighttime. In my area, tracks are owned by BNSF and CN. It’s more common to be hauling sand hoppers (Bloomer is right down the road - sand mines with product hauling to Canada or points south like TX or OK), liquid tankers, shipping containers or semi trailers, not as many box cars. A question I’d have is how many crossings does the train track nearby have heading to town? The trains will signal as they get closer w their air horns - loud and long and frequent especially if they are coming into a town with a lot of crossings. I know anywhere from 10pm -5am our trains are fast, loud and maybe if one was going through when those two gun shots were heard maybe it muffled other noises that could otherwise be discerned clearly.

==SNIP==

This first photo is the Google StreetView of the railroad crossing nearest the Closs house (looking in the direction of their house).



Notice how it's very grown up as if it's not in use.

This second photo is a crossing in Barron. Notice the rocks placed across the tracks. Obviously not in use.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

You may want to review page 1 of thread -both died of gunshot - no mention of other injuries

True but what will not be released now is if the ME also found secondary injuries on one of the victims that were present but wasnt the primary causation of death which of course was due to the fatal gunshots.

LE will keep those things unknown for now.

If it happened they will look for anything that would match the secondary injuries if they find the suspect and when they serve a search warrant on their home... property.. and vehicle.

Just because the gunshot wounds caused the death it never means the victim or victims didn't have secondary injuries.

LE wouldnt release that information now for good reason.

Jmo

 

[sun16]

At this point in time, what are you thinking - perp is a stranger? Or perp is known by victims/an aquaintance? I’m leaning toward stranger, 90%.

 

[CocoChanel]

I know others have said this, so I just want to agree that the statements given at the press conference yesterday by both LE and family were most definitely crafted specifically to help find Jayme. We have not been given a psychological criminal profile of the unsub, probably because it would invite too many wild goose chase tips, but I believe they absolutely had one early on with the FBI’s immediate involvement. It is fascinating to try to imagine what messages they intended to deliver to the criminal, and it would be a great guessing game if this situation weren’t so desperate and dire. Of course we will still try to guess, but I for one am grateful the FBI has the Behavioral Science Unit at their disposal to help solve this crime. If they really have not much else to go on, at least they have this to work with.