AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #14

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My impression is that one of the officers on scene (Unit 329) was the one who initially said "possible suicide attempt". Unit #329 arrived on scene at 1:00:29 and the first mention of suicide on the dispatch log is at 1:03 when it says "329 advised of possible suicide attempt"

The rest I agree with
Yeah. Reading the log again, it doesn’t look like the dispatcher mentioned a possible suicide.

It looks like the officers first on the scene initially believed that’s what they were dealing with.
 
I wondered about why their first impression would be suicide, especially since they found his body in the doorway, and no gun.
The only scenario I have come up with is a gunshot wound to the head would appear as a suicide.
But then I’ve thought that’s a pretty tight area around the door for a rifle or shotgun initially. And then thought possibly he was shot twice. Once to gain entry and then once again.
Not seeing a gun immediately doesn't mean it isn't there. It could have ended up under something, including his body. It wouldn't be until they checked all around and eventually moved the body - after forensic mapping and photographs - before they could be certain that there was no gun and make a determination that it wasn't a suicide. But there were other priorities ahead of determining suicide versus homicide. Namely that they knew there was another member of the household, a child, that potentially was there at the time of the incident that is unaccounted for. It wouldn't be until even later that law enforcement could know with any certainty that Jayme was, in fact, there at the time of the homicides.
 
Slightly off topic, but one of the most difficult cases for me to wrap my head around was the Holly Bobo case. Looking at just the known facts in that case, I was having a hard time making 1 + 1 = 2, but once we began sleuthing some crazy, off the wall rumors we were hearing I fought everyone tooth and nail about how outlandish those theories were. Guess what ? Those rumors turned out to be correct. And the truth of what happened STILL doesn't make sense to me.

This case reminds me ALOT of the Holly Bobo case. I suspect that when we do actually find out what happened, we're all going to have a very hard time making sense of it.

JMO
I feel the exact same way Mountain Kat. And it's not a good feeling.
 
Im beginning to think that whoever took her was a loner. Maybe he didn't have a job to be at everyday, so no one is noticing him missing. I think she's being held at a hunting cabin or something further north but that is JMO. I think the perp very casually knew the family and might be from a neighboring town. As far as motive, I have nothing to add that hasn't already been discussed. (in fact everything in my post has already been discussed but with no new info it seems like around and around we go).
 
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Jayme will remain safely in protective hiding, and suffer no more Trauma than she has already experienced, until the killers in Event #1 and Event #2 are ……… unequivocally accounted for, identified, explained, and/or apprehended.

This person also believes that a) questioning by LE, b) mental health professionals’ involvement, c) medical intervention/examination, …etc. would do more harm than good with Jayme, at this point.

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Interesting thought, but at this point wouldn't cooperation with LE be the quickest way to see to it that they are apprehended, especially if she knows the perp(s)?
 
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My initial thought was that he was trying to prevent the killer from coming in, whether he opened the door first or not. Then the killer kicked it in. Jmo
Right. Right there, why did he go to the door? I try to tell myself , don't get stuck there- move on with it. I guess I'm trying to figure out did he know this person, was it a stranger, did he hear something, was there a noise, knock ...... ?
 
New here. I also questioned why they assumed suicide. That struck me as so odd. Was it because LE does not imagine a murder happening, so they immediately think suicide? Or was it something they heard on 911 call that made them think this? Recently they said they could only make out the word "help" so I don't think the 911 call made them think suicide. The reason I bring up the suicide angle is that if LE thought they were going to a suicide call, they may not have noticed a car(s) leaving the scene and may have passed a car fleeing. 4 minutes to escape on those roads without being noticed made me think they escaped on foot and were maybe staying hidden nearby. But now that it is maybe 9 minutes, and town is not that far, I suppose a car(s) could get away without being noticed within 9 minutes.
 
It seems as if most people are assuming the perp took Hwy 8 most likely to the west, away from Barron which is a distinct possibility. But you have to realize there are roads at least every mile (some are even a half mile or quarter mile apart) that will take you north/south as opposed to east/west. Some are paved and some dirt. Two things about those roads. They would be extremely desolate that time of night and most of the houses sit quite a ways off the road (think farms) so security cameras would provide a very poor image at best. If it were me, having been born and raised in the area, I would get on Hwy 8, probably heading west just long enough to take a road going north/south. When the 911 call was made there is a very good chance LE could have been coming from the West as well as the East but most likely most came from the east. It used to be, a long time ago, in the late 70s, Hwy 8 had all kinds of speed/radar traps. Ask me how I know. ;) But again, I would get off Hwy 8 and onto the back roads just as soon as I could. MOO
I just don't understand why LE did not include the time period before the crime took place to ask for information from anyone who was driving by at the time. Why 12:30 when he could have been spotted 10 or 15 minutes before arriving at the house? Wouldn't they want information about seeing a vehicle or something strange when he was on the way to the house?
 
What I find odd about it being labeled possible suicide by “329” is why would that be his initial impression when he found the door open? Who suicides with the door open? I realize this is totally irrelevant to the fact that Jayme is missing, but it seems to be the topic of the day.
 
No. There are zero reports of that anywhere in the media. The Sheriff has stated several times that James was found dead at the scene. He isn't lying about such things. There are no entries in the incident log that reflect any attempt to transport anyone from the scene and there absolutely would have been had that been the case.
TV reports? They get a lot wrong. If all our conjecture were stated as fact, we’d be in big trouble.
 
Not seeing a gun immediately doesn't mean it isn't there. It could have ended up under something, including his body. It wouldn't be until they checked all around and eventually moved the body - after forensic mapping and photographs - before they could be certain that there was no gun and make a determination that it wasn't a suicide. But there were other priorities ahead of determining suicide versus homicide. Namely that they knew there was another member of the household, a child, that potentially was there at the time of the incident that is unaccounted for. It wouldn't be until even later that law enforcement could know with any certainty that Jayme was, in fact, there at the time of the homicides.
I absolutely agree. If James was dead when the responding officers first arrived, which appears to be the case, they may have checked his vitals but wouldn’t have moved his body.

Guns frequently end up under suicide victims, so the lack of a gun being spotted initially, may not have bothered them.

Further investigation of the crime scene would have taken suicide off the table.
 
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Kirsten Swanson on Twitter

Funeral service for James and Denise Closs being held this afternoon in Cameron, Wis. The parking lot at St. Peter Catholic Church is full. The couple’s daughter Jayme is still missing. @KSTP

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Mourning today with those who mourn. I'm sure there is little comfort there as Jayme is still missing, but I pray the family can find some small comfort in knowing how many people love this family and are supporting them. Their community and people all across the world are following this story and praying for Jayme to come home.
 
Is it a coincidence that one year ago this other couple died via murder suicide and had a 17 year old daughter?

Any connections between the two families?

Small town, two young families with teen age daughters have mysterious deaths. Do they know what prompted the one father to commit suicide? I will go read it now.
 
Someone asked in a post last night (paraphrasing) IF Jayme had managed to escape the house (wounded or not) where would she try to hide? (Yep i got sidetracked by the game and the 18 long innings o_O)

Anyway it got me thinking. Hypothetical scenarios, would be contingent upon which exit she hypothetically took. Woods? Road? Neighbors?

Me? As a 13 year old? Late at night? I would not run to the woods. My first inclination would be to try to hide in one of my parents vehicles. (Ideally with the key.) My second choice - run to a nearby neighbor. my third choice, climb a tree.

The family vehicles were surely searched, right? They’ve looked up, right?
 
BBM.
Just a heads up Steelslady, I think you might be getting "shut down" on that speculation because Tricia previously warned us not to discuss it:
AMBER ALERT - WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #10
This warning about football is no longer at the beginning of the thread but it might still stand. You might want to tread carefully (not trying to shut you down nor tell you what to post about, just trying to help :) ).
I think that it's a fact that we do not know where he was all day or what his work hours were. That's all I know. Jmo
 
I do not wish to argue with you. This is a fact that can be proven. I have cited the log in prior post. I looked to see if I had missed a page. Nope. It was 3:05 am when they changed the call type. They knew it was not a suicide by 1:30 am (no guns), likely even sooner.

Neither do I. Guess I just don't understand the relevance of whether or not the officers initial impression was suicide and how long it took them to change it. Do you think it is relevant?

Looking back it appears to be an error in the article. There is an article but at the bottom they have the full log, and literally everything is the same except for in the ABC version it has the call changed from suicide to homicide at 2:36 am instead of 3:05am. But again, I don't really see how that matters. Like you say, it was more an issue of semantics at that point -- LE knew they had a homicide well before either of those times.
 
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