AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #15

[Moonsie]

I agree with you Mingy, about Jayme.
She possibly made the 911 call, hung up, turned phone off.
Then Jayme ran out, only to be caught by the Perpetrator, and 'taken' away.
MOO.

If Denise had already turned in for the night before the intruder arrived, then she may have turned the ringer off and put the phone on Do Not Disturb. Could explain why the phone went to voice mail when the 911 operator tried to call back.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

Scary to me that so many people carry. What happened to the lifestyle I once knew? (unanswerable question)

Apparently you can carry here in New England in a few states. Who knew? I always thought that was restricted to about a few southern or mid-west states!

 

[BB71]

I know I'm just a lowly lil ole poster..
But WS has always had a policy that we aren't supposed to post things like " I know something about this case but I can't tell it".

ALL this does, whether it's speculation or proven fact, is cause people to wildly guess and try to, I guess, tick off the OP to the point where they spill what they " were told" or " know" or a crucial piece of case info that's misdirecting people, as has been said today.

I think this needs to be looked at with extreme side eyes, as we see and hear what's there, and if we are being told by one or two posters that the police or FBI have given out a key piece of information that's totally wrong knowingly, the integrity of our posts and thoughts are eroded because of the doubt created.

This is not directed to or against anyone but it is a new trend in this case and I think it's destructive.
If one person thinks something may be " wrongly stated", then they should stand up and ask " But- what if they were wrong and the crimes happened this way because______________" and state their reasoning.
OR, never mention it again and see what the FBI releases.

Do u mean the poster who said he got off at 12 am? Even if true, it doesn’t mean he went straight home. If he arrived at 12:31 am, maybe he took time to clean up and got gas first.

 

[Jaded_musician]

The number #8 creeps me out a little. How does green eyes equate to this young lady being a trophy? No child missing would be a "trophy" in my world.

Welcome to the threads.

Does it state anywhere what her eye color is? Can you tell from the photos?

 

[Stormy415]

My vacation is killing me trying to keep up. Two new threads since I was last on!!
Unfortunately, no Jamye.

 

[MsBetsy]

@MassGuy, I agree on paper but honestly, we are only privy to what we've been told, right? If they were engaged in any such behavior, secretly, quietly, we just haven't been made aware. Not saying at all that is the case - so far seems to us on the very outside they were a good, hard working family. Just not sure how can you say for 100% certain there is no evidence...

I'm sure we all know that you never know what goes on behind closed doors. However, until we have evidence or something that indicates there were problems in the family that contributed to the crime, it just doesn't make sense to speculate. We don't have anything to go on other than what has been said about the family; A hardworking family who were involved in church and their community, and were caring and protective of their only child. Jmo

 

[rosesfromangels]

I wish I had something super clever or helpful to contribute right now. : (

But since I don't, I thought I'd take a moment to send out gratitude as well as thoughts and prayers to all the volunteers and LE that are searching for Jayme. The response, dedication and determination is awe inspiring!

I keep thinking that somehow, this quiet demure child is going to find the strength to get a message to us somehow. Don't give up Jamye! We'll find you!
Prayers to all - stay strong!

Amateur opinion and speculation

 

[Andreee]

Welcome Louie.
Your first post with good info.
As Jayme, was good at cross country running, she may have run quite a distance, from her home, before caught by the Perpetrator.
If, of coarse, she managed to try to run.
MOO.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

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This is a huge place with thousands of posters and only a handful of mods. They do an amazing job, imo. (And I hope they remember I said that for any future event in which I might lose my cool and throw all the rules out the window.)

 

[SeekingJana]

they could have followed her home from the parking lot or wherever cross country kids meet their parents or friends to go home after practice. My cousins friend was almost abducted from cross country practice in the school parking lot in upstate New York about a decade ago.

maybe @SeekingJana could chime in here on how obsessions can escalate to a dangerous level because she is very good at explaining the behavior and theory behind these psychological things...I could try but it would probably make no sense

Thank you, MollyandMe, but the area of child and teen psychology is entirely different from what I practice and from what happened to me as a survivor of a stalker.
I was a mature woman, he was a more mature man. I was objectified without knowing it ( who knows what another person is thinking most of the time?) and it was an extremely scary and horrifying experience to be restrained and terrorized for around 48 hours.

IF the person in this case whom we believe was abducted wasn't of an unequal status ( very young teen with different skill sets and life knowledge) from her likely abductor and also a very different aged person than me at the time I was abducted, I would be glad to tell what I can. But the differences are myriad in my opinion. I can't understand how a barely 13 year old small girl could survive any brutality at all.

I sat and thought this through, and anything I'd say about Jayme after abduction other than if she was conscious, she was utterly terrified, would do her an injustice.

God bless you for remembering my career and my life experience as a hostage.

 

[stephlovescheese]

Hello, first timer here. I’ve enjoyed reading all the posts. The ‘wrong house’ theory is an interesting one and makes me think. There was an unsolved murder in Ohio (Dan Ott) for years and that one turned out to be a case of mistaken identity; the hit man targeted the wrong Dan Ott.

 

[BB71]

I think a dodge orange charger would stick out like a sore thumb in a small town though

Not a Charger, which would. A Challenger.
Yes, red/orange would stand out, agreed.

Which makes me come back to the idea that an online predator stole the car (red orange car found in Osh Kosh river appears to have been stolen).

Theory #13
Online dude planned to come and get Jayme before dad came home but mom was not asleep yet. Mom senses intruder. Texts dad that someone is at the house. Dad arrives home soon after, kicks in door and gets shot. Mom rushes to him, gets shot. Manages to phone 911, and Jayme is taken.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

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I have been reading this site for several months and finally joined today. The super job the mods do to keep this discussion fair and open was the reason. And, they continue their stellar job. Way to go guys !!!!!!

Welcome aboard !

 

[MyBelle]

I don’t believe the meth theory at all. Meth is cheap, meth addicts can be thieves but usually not murders. They wouldn’t be smooth criminals either.
As far as a possible BF if jaymes... I don’t believe that either. I think she is a victim of circumstance maybe?!
I’m totally boggled on the entire thing.
I wonder if James had enemies. Maybe he was difficult to get along with and pissed off the wrong person?!

Meth heads can be quite violent. I live in a community similar to the size of Barron. My 13-y0 daughter went to a street dance held in a small village about five miles from where we live. She was with a group and an older brother of her friend was driving the group home. They drove a short distance to a lake area with homes/cabins on gravel roads to drop one of the teens off and suddenly a meth head bashed in the rear window of the car with a golf club striking my daughter in the shoulder/upper back. The sheriff caught the guy and wanted daughter to testify. We refused because he would know our daughter's name and address. We feared retaliation.

I don't discount drugs as playing a role in this horrific crime. JMO

 

[Alethea]

I know I'm just a lowly lil ole poster..
But WS has always had a policy that we aren't supposed to post things like " I know something about this case but I can't tell it".

ALL this does, whether it's speculation or proven fact, is cause people to wildly guess and try to, I guess, tick off the OP to the point where they spill what they " were told" or " know" or a crucial piece of case info that's misdirecting people, as has been said today.

I think this needs to be looked at with extreme side eyes, as we see and hear what's there, and if we are being told by one or two posters that the police or FBI have given out a key piece of information that's totally wrong knowingly, the integrity of our posts and thoughts are eroded because of the doubt created.

This is not directed to or against anyone but it is a new trend in this case and I think it's destructive.
If one person thinks something may be " wrongly stated", then they should stand up and ask " But- what if they were wrong and the crimes happened this way because______________" and state their reasoning.
OR, never mention it again and see what the FBI releases.

I agree completely. I will say as a white collar defense lawyer it is pretty much my job to be critical of the FBI and LE but I have never seen the FBI release information in a "coded" way to try to "trick" the public. The FBI is not afraid to haul you in for an interview and then is free to present evidence to try to trip you up. They do not do this through the public. It's the stuff of movies, not the stuff of real life.

LE does make mistakes. We saw first hand through the dispatch log when the first officer on the scene immediately said "possible suicide" and then corrected and updated his impression when he walked through the rest of the house. I think it's perfectly fine to question whether something will end up being true or relevant to the crime. But theories wrapped in LE conspiracy theories just end up on the ignore list. IMO

 

[SeekingJana]

Do u mean the poster who said he got off at 12 am? Even if true, it doesn’t mean he went straight home. If he arrived at 12:31 am, maybe he took time to clean up and got gas first.

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Regarding timelines and James' schedule, I worked many 3PM-11PM shifts and I know that on this shift, you do have to do a lot of things when others are already in bed for the night. I have never had any problems with the timeline as we know it, except that I think all we can really know is what happened once LE became involved. I think there's a possibility that the home invasion took place quite a bit earlier and many more things happened inside the house with just mom and daughter there with the assailants. It's just a feeling I have and I don't claim it's factual at all.

 

[JerseyWasHome2]

I'm sure we all know that you never know what goes on behind closed doors. However, until we have evidence or something that indicates there were problems in the family that contributed to the crime, it just doesn't make sense to speculate. We don't have anything to go on other than what has been said about the family; A hardworking family who were involved in church and their community, and were caring and protective of their only child. Jmo

I wasn't doing any speculating. I arrived late to the convo and just wondered why someone felt 100% certain that they could say there is no evidence to indicate anything was indicative along those lines when we all know we are probably privy to about 5% that LE knows. Seemed like an intense statement to make. Maybe should have been phrased that we, the public, have no evidence along those lines, yet also we know that LE is probably withholding 95% of what they've learned about other aspects of this crime, as well they should!

 

[MyBelle]

Although some theorize they got the wrong house? That a woman was arrested in the house next door (obviously not the Smrekars) the very next day.

What was she arrested for?

 

[Mercedes]

MassGuy,

Congratulations on your 40,000 “likes.”

Mercedes

 

[Jabarn]

Something I have noted is dad James liked football- I believe the Greenbay Packers was his favorite team. There was a person who said he would take the following day off from the game to recover. Sorry to bring up a previous discussion, but other thoughts come in and we are off on that tangent, so wanted to come back to that thought.

Packers.com, the official website of the Green Bay Packers

Looks like the Packers beat the 49ers on Monday night, 1o/15. The crime happened on Sunday night.

What was his work schedule? It matters a lot.