AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[BIC]

I realized that after I posted, but am so frustrated I didn't bother to correct myself. All of my thoughts seem so irrelevant at this point, what does it matter ?

What matters is, they have her cell phone, and hopefully have gotten into it to see what’s on there. Other than that, I don’t think it means much. IMO

 

[cody22]

I wouldn’t count out a reporting error, it seems to be the norm these days. There’s no quotes in the article about James being there, or his mood or anything. IMO

This NBC reporter may have messed up on at least the "James Closs at the Party" thing.....That is one big contradiction from earlier Media stories.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

What matters is, they have her cell phone, and hopefully have gotten into it to see what’s on there. Other than that, I don’t think it means much. IMO

Agreed. Assuming that this cell phone info is correct, and that it doesn't change like the weather, as so many "facts" in this case are wont to do, then the only importance of the phone being located on scene is that ALL of Jayme's social media activity is already well known to LE.

( Pardon the sentence structure...I'm too tired to correct.)

 

[deugirtni]

But the “No Comment” stood out to me.

There could be a number of reasons for that. ie they rec'd the info in a tip and they have not yet been able to substantiate it, but at the same time, they don't want the perp, if it IS a 19 y/o bf, to think they haven't got anything on him; they rec'd the info in a tip and after investigating, can't find any evidence of that, however they don't want to discourage people from submitting tips; they may know of a 19 y/o bf who has been cleared but aren't ready/willing to speak to that; etc.

 

[KLM6]

Im not one to take physical notes on any case I follow, but Im finding it would be beneficial in this case to have a few. Sometimes its hard to distinguish facts vs speculation by the way people type, and also by what is actually quoted (and by whom) vs what is stated by the author of an article. I have fallen victim to being misled many times because of both reasons. At this point in the investigation, I think we are so hungry for more information, we are losing sight of what the known facts are and grabbing on to every bit of info that comes up. Even if they arent written in a single post, the facts are few in this case, so its not hard to "fact check" discrepencies. I think it wise to do so.

That said, (and this isnt the only reference I have, but since its currently being discussed), Jayme's grandfather (who was at the party), was quoted by the AP saying James was not at the party, and that he was at work. Todays article doesnt quote anybody saying James was at that party. Its a statement created by the author. I personally believe her grandpa before the writer, and believe thats a typo.
Not to mention the fact that within the same article, the sisters describe Denise and Jayme at the party, but they dont mention James. Because he wasnt there. Mho.

 

[girlhasnoname]

<snipped from NBC News Missing in America article>

“It was normal. Everybody was happy. I mean, Denise smiled,” Jennifer told Dateline. “Jayme -- she’s always been on the shy side -- quiet around big parties. But yeah, everything was normal. It was a normal day.”

Jennifer and Denise’s sister, Suzi Allard, had traveled 45 minutes northwest from her home in Cornell, Wisconsin for the family gathering.

“It was a normal day. Denise was so – she was herself. She was happy,” Suzi told Dateline. “We got Jayme’s school pictures that day. It was a good day.”

Following the party, Suzi said she texted Denise around 8:30 p.m., as they normally did. But what happened just hours later ensured their lives would never be normal again.

So according to this article everything was normal at the home around 8:30.....

 

[SausagePizza]

Sure wish we could get these basic facts straight. Was James at the party or not? Was he working? If so when did he get off? If he was not at the party those inaccurate stories need to be corrected by the large media sources.

 

[deugirtni]

I wonder what happened to the original 911 call connection? I have always understood that the 911 dispatcher will keep that line going (and recording) until personnel arrive to take over? But yet it has been reported that the dispatcher tried numerous times to contact the phone. How did the original call get disconnected?

"A dispatch log released on October 19 indicates that several attempts by the operator to reach the 911 caller went unanswered."
Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

 

[elektroangel]

Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

Lots of quotes from Denise’s sister.

Well. First paragraph is a lie, so....

 

[gipsypup]

Sure wish we could get these basic facts straight. Was James at the party or not? Was he working? If so when did he get off? If he was not at the party those inaccurate stories need to be corrected by the large media sources.

Correct! And if James did work, what time did he get off that night and did he go directly home? If he didn't work, then was he home that night or did he go out ?These facts could help explain why the crime was committed that day and time. IMO.

 

[SausagePizza]

By the way how are they any closer to finding Jayme as the headline of the article suggests?

 

[deugirtni]

Did the dad not have his own cellphone?

 

[Jax49]

By the way how are they any closer to finding Jayme as the headline of the article suggests?

Headline indicates they are NO closer.

 

[JnRyan]

This is moving fast. I believe I had 3 posts in the last thread and probably none in the one before.

I have difficulty believing this is a complete stranger or a random act. (I'm not ruling it out as stranger things have happened.) I don't believe this person (or persons) knew Jayme that well if she was the target. If they did and they did their homework what about Jayme being alone at a school bus stop? She is a cross country runner, so does she run to stay in shape or for fun? Many runners wear ear buds with an iPod or phone to listen to music and that would be ideal for an abduction, if Jayme was the target. Taking Jayme at the school bus stop might not alert anyone and if successful she might not be noticed as missing until the end of the school day. Even if the school calls home or parent's work that still gives the abductors more than 4 minutes of a head start.

The home invasion approach - if Jayme was the target - baffles me. I know I've said it before, I would have to be VERY desperate to invade a home not knowing the layout or what guns might be in the home. Maybe they have been there before. As a friend or relative of someone visiting. Someone involved in home maintenance such HVAC repair, plumbing, electrical and appliance delivery. (I would imagine LE has tried to track down every such instance in the last year or so.)

I partially believe this was all about Jayme and she was the ultimate target. But I can just as easily believe this was revenge for something - either real or perceived - and the abduction of Jayme was part of the revenge act.

 

[Jax49]

Let me get this straight....The police have both Denise and Jayme's cell phones...... James Closs was now at the Birthday Party...... Why did the Grandfather give statements to the Media, that James was at work, during the party, and was not there ?

bbm

I'm not seeing that reported any where else - actually I believe the sheriff reported Denise's phone was found. No word on Jayme's.

Seems the new article has a few problems, imo.

 

[SausagePizza]

Headline indicates they are NO closer.

Opps your correct, I guess I went crazy when I read that James was at the party.

 

[proctorelites]

I think some comments were taken out of context " Denise Smiled" sounds like tht was a rare occassion the way it's written. IMOO, but all accounts say she was sweet & kind and happy Idk It's possible James was there during a time the grandfather was not there. Maybe only briefly to drop them off and left or to bring something to Denise? That could be a real possibility.
MOO AND JMO but: does it concern anybody else, that in a lot of the photos Jayme can barely look up she is so shy? I've never met a child that shy. Who's behind the camera for those pics? Her younger photos she seems more open. I do wonder if something happend to make her painfully shy. I have seen toddlers hide behind a parent, just seems odd IMOO.
(Edited in an attempt to fix the grammar, gave up, hope it makes sense lol)

 

[Jax49]

Opps your correct, I guess I went crazy when I read that James was at the party.

LOL. Heck, as bad as that article is they may have had the headline wrong and corrected while we were accessing.

 

[KLM6]

Correct! And if James did work, what time did he get off that night and did he go directly home? If he didn't work, then was he home that night or did he go out ?These facts could help explain why the crime was committed that day and time. IMO.

This falls in line with a question I had about his Dryden interview. Fitzgerald said he has (or is working on) a timeline of their whole week leading up to this night. Someone asked a question about that day and he said he knows about the party, what time they left, and where they went afterward. (Clearly speaking of Jayme and Denise). He says something to the effect of, theres no reason to release that days timeline because theres nothing the public could offer from it that would help the case. But then....someone asks if James was at the casino that day and he says he dont know. ?? If he has a timeline, does it not include James? If not, why? If it does include James, did 'I dont know' mean the same as 'no comment'? He surely has a yes or no answer to that question.

 

[SkipperKey3]

This is moving fast. I believe I had 3 posts in the last thread and probably none in the one before.

I have difficulty believing this is a complete stranger or a random act. (I'm not ruling it out as stranger things have happened.) I don't believe this person (or persons) knew Jayme that well if she was the target. If they did and they did their homework what about Jayme being alone at a school bus stop? She is a cross country runner, so does she run to stay in shape or for fun? Many runners wear ear buds with an iPod or phone to listen to music and that would be ideal for an abduction, if Jayme was the target. Taking Jayme at the school bus stop might not alert anyone and if successful she might not be noticed as missing until the end of the school day. Even if the school calls home or parent's work that still gives the abductors more than 4 minutes of a head start.

The home invasion approach - if Jayme was the target - baffles me. I know I've said it before, I would have to be VERY desperate to invade a home not knowing the layout or what guns might be in the home. Maybe they have been there before. As a friend or relative of someone visiting. Someone involved in home maintenance such HVAC repair, plumbing, electrical and appliance delivery. (I would imagine LE has tried to track down every such instance in the last year or so.)

I partially believe this was all about Jayme and she was the ultimate target. But I can just as easily believe this was revenge for something - either real or perceived - and the abduction of Jayme was part of the revenge act.

I agree. The whole violent home invasion doesn't really make much sense if the only purpose was to get Jayme. I still think taking Jayme wasn't the original purpose, but was done on the spot.