AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #22

[Angleterre]

What a great post
Thank you

I cannot access the first part of your post ‘Mother said daughter was targeted by shooters’ . I’m getting a 401 code as it’s unavailable in my region. Can you summarise please what that case was about or whom ?

 

[Jethro4WS]

Are the pics of Jayme from the family party ones that can be posted? I have not seen them, would like to see what she looked like when she was abducted, seems more useful.

If you have seen the photos on the Sheriff's FB page of Jayme wearing the denim jacket and sitting at the table - those are two of the photos taken that day. Another photo of Jayme wearing the same denim jacket taken outside was also from that same day and that photo is in at least two news sources.

ETA: Link to the Sheriff's Office post with two of the photos
Barron County Sheriff's Department

 

[human]

Nope. But the season for cross country- nation wide is in the fall. Track and field is in the spring.

Middle schoolers, intending to run in High school, are encouraged to run with a club team for events like AAU/Footlocker/USATF. (And off season year round conditioning.)

I think where you live is totally different than Barron.

My daughter’s jerk of a high school bf was a decathalon guy and a cross country runner. He was in the junior Olympics out in CA ( we lived in MN) That was totally on his own and had nothing to do with the high school.

Where I lived , those sports were simply not that big. Only hockey is king

 

[l84tea2]

On a Sunday nearly one month ago, Jennifer Smith held a birthday party for her grandson at her Barron, Wisconsin home. Jennifer’s sister Denise Closs, who lived just a couple of miles away, came to the party with her husband Jim and their 13-year-old daughter, Jayme.

Haven’t we been told James was NOT at the family party??

At the bottom of the article they corrected it
“Editor's Note: A previous version of this article stated James Closs was at the family gathering in Barron, Wisconsin on Sunday, October 14. James Closs was not at the family gathering; he was at work. ”

 

[Jabarn]

Yeah. For now I’m going with the idea that door was kicked in, as being true.

This all but precludes him being attacked as he walked in the door.

If the door wasn’t kicked in, and we had some sort of a timeline that put him arriving home at around the time of the attack, then I’d definitely agree.

With all the information and misinformation coming from the press, I do wonder about that particular detail (the door) a lot.

The first impression I had, because I assumed he was at work, Jim (as the latest article which misstated he was at the party, before being corrected, calls him) may have come across a breached doorway. I ventured away from that theory after the misinformation, but will entertain that theory again, as I know many posters here keep suggesting it.

Link to the corrected article: Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

 

[human]

Thankyou for informing me of this. This is where it may get confusing or I may cause the confusion ( apologies in advance) but we have what’s called the PNC ( Police National Computer) which records all vehicles and their registered owners, all Disqualified drivers, Identifying markers on individuals ie. marker for violent or for drugs, identifying marks scars and/or tattoos on individuals who have been stop checked for search purposes, people who are ‘Wanted’ either by an individual officer of a particular Police Force and the arrestable offence that is attached or wanted on a prison recall or a violation etc
Anyone who is missing or as we call them MFH would be on here or names and alias names and addresses of those convicted individuals.
This is just a snapshot of the PNC

However, that is totally different to the database to which I referred to regarding the analysis of sexually motivated crimes and the MO

And that is also a separate entity from our National Intelligence Model of recording ALL Intelligence/information regarding individuals who have been arrested or subjected to a stop and search procedure or convicted of crime or just information that has been inputted into the system regarding an individual that has come from other agencies or from informants or from other avenues provided it is provenanced ( ie backed up and not just gossip).

We have data warehousing too whereby ALL the systems can be cross referenced because we also have different databases for Domestic Violence referrals and Child Protection referrals to Social Services / social workers and a National recording system for registered sex offenders and their management.
And we have MAPPA ( multi agency public protection arrangements ) and RAMM ( Risk assessment management meetings for individuals who pose a serious risk and concern to others within the community but they have either finished their prison sentence or they are not a convicted person but have come into the RAMM arena after a referral say from the Mental Health arena and the disclosures made during one of their psychiatric reviews have been deemed so serious that public protection needs over ride that of confidentiality ( that is a last resort and is not a decision taken lightly).
So as you can see, a myriad of information systems.
Apologies for going a little OT

That is great.

As far as child abuse, that does not go across state lines as we saw with those horrible mothers with Devonte.

 

[gipsypup]

I really wish we knew more about their movements that evening. I know LE has reasons to hold this back. I am just thinking of other cases I have followed on here. With Mollie, we had people saying they saw her running that night and the text conversation she had with her mom just an hour or less before she disappeared and was killed. With Hania's kidnapping, we know exactly what was going on beforehand.

I am curious: what was the last known contact of each of the Closses? Was Denise texting with her sister at 830 PM the last time they talked to anyone? If Jim was at work, did he call or text Denise before leaving to come home? How long was that call if it happened? Did Jayme contact anyone that night? I'm sure LE has these answers; I'm just throwing out questions I have. I am curious of their movements that night and who they spoke to.

Then again, if this was a totally random crime, I don't know that any of this matters as much, but I am still not willing to get on the "totally random" train yet.

Totally agree. This is what I mean stating the town seems quiet regarding the weeks/days leading up to the crime. Sure,some interviewed said it was a nice family , Jayme’s friends say she wouldn’t run away , but as was the case in Mollie’s case no one has said much about interacting with the family that day or days before. No leaks about seeing any family members anywhere. Just surprising .IMO.

 

[l84tea2]

Okay, how about this scenario. Possibly James had just arrived home from work (or wherever he had been) and just unlocked the front door when the perp/perps rushed him from behind, he turned to defend himself and got shot. He appeared to be a larger man so I could see him going into protect mode.

DC and JC may have already gone to bed and awoke to something that nightmares are made of.

Just my mind in overdrive tonight making me look at things in reverse. JMO

Which brings me back to my original theory. Maybe James was at the casino and won some money. Followed home...?

 

[Mercedes]

Okay, how about this scenario. Possibly James had just arrived home from work (or wherever he had been) and just unlocked the front door when the perp/perps rushed him from behind, he turned to defend himself and got shot. He appeared to be a larger man so I could see him going into protect mode.

DC and JC may have already gone to bed and awoke to something that nightmares are made of.

Just my mind in overdrive tonight making me look at things in reverse. JMO

Delete as MassGuy already made my point.

 

[katsrfun]

I'm not currently aware of the status of the vehicles. I posted previously that I saw a red/orange challenger in Florida, but didn't report it because that was the day they said they were no longer "interested in the cars." I am thinking maybe I should have reported it as a tip anyway. There was a relatively young man (maybe 20-30's) driving it, and he was leaned forward toward the steering wheel, and looked very intense. He was going very fast in a speed zone of about 30 mph. We are a small village and the police are very active in stopping speeders. The locals know this, and so very seldom do the locals speed, aware that LE is every where. I haven't seen the car since, and also because of his speed, believe he was not local. However, it would be like a needle in a haystack and it could have LE running down someone who just liked to drive fast (and, most likely, he does, seeing the vehicle he drives. However, I now have mixed feelings about not reporting it. Thanks all, Katt

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Yeah. For now I’m going with the idea that door was kicked in, as being true.

This all but precludes him being attacked as he walked in the door.

If the door wasn’t kicked in, and we had some sort of a timeline that put him arriving home at around the time of the attack, then I’d definitely agree.

Well crap there goes buh bye to my thought. lol. BUT, maybe James had gotten the door closed and the perp/perps kicked it in.

I need sleep as I have the start of what appears to be the flu after just getting a flu shot. G'nite all.

Hopefully Jayme has been found when I get back to sleuthing.

 

[MassGuy]

Which brings me back to my original theory. Maybe James was at the casino and won some money. Followed home...?

If that was the case, there would be tremendous video evidence to prove this.

LE would know that he won, and would almost certainly have persons of interest captured on camera.

 

[BIC]

I don't think Jayme would think like that. But maybe. The pink fuzz ball on the chair (on the left side near possible mule tape) and the recovery of her phone tells me that she was in bed whenever this all went down. If so (Le would know if no shoes were gone, no coat gone) why not say she was abducted?

I don’t think the pink fuzz ball is anything important. I think they would have taken pictures of it, then bagged it before removing the chair.

It probably wasn’t up to Jayme what she left behind or took with her.

They can’t say she was abducted, they simply do not know if she was, or wasn’t.

I believe, unless she did this with another 13 year old, she was abducted, even if she agreed with whatever an older man planned. I don’t believe that’s the case though. IMO

 

[Bluepopsicle]

It looks like there’s going to be an interview with Paul Blume tonight at 9:00 PM.

Twitter

With no new developments in the #JaymeCloss case. We return to Barron tonight. Please join me at 9pm as the Closs family speaks out about their hurt, anger, fear & HOPE that Jayme is out there somewhere & will be home in time for Thanksgiving. #FindJayme #FindJaymeCloss

EDIT: whoops, meant to write Paul Blume and the family!

 

[KLM6]

If that was the case, there would be tremendous video evidence to prove this.

LE would know that he won, and would almost certainly have persons of interest captured on camera.

Which is why I wish he would have answered the Dryden interview question with a yes or no. Not "I dont know". Because in my opinion he does know, he just, for any kind of reason -whether related to the case or not - doesnt want the public to know.

 

[kkdj]

If that was the case, there would be tremendous video evidence to prove this.

LE would know that he won, and would almost certainly have persons of interest captured on camera.

Plus why take Jayme if that were the case?

 

[Jabarn]

Then why was the front door kicked in? Just sayin’.

All I can make of it there are three options to explain it: 1) the killer(s) kicked the door in to gain entry to the target(s) without anyone confronting them, and may have some time in the house before the shooting started, 2) the killer(s) were trying to gain entry and were confronted by the dad, Jim/James and shot/forced the door down, or 3) Dad walked into a crime in progress, and was shot as he entered his own home trying to figure what the h was going on.

I sure would like to see more analysis of that front door damage, fwiw.

 

[stephlovescheese]

Absolutely and I agree that every person in here has great ideas and opinions and that is why I find WS so compelling and obsessive lol
Thanks for your kind response and words
If only the power of us all here on WS routing for Jayme ( and others on other WS cases ) collectively, was enough to bring her home. She would have been home 10 times over by now because of the depth of feelings that all of us here on WS have for her

OT- i’m glad i’m Not the only one who finds WS so compelling and obsessive. This case is the reason i joined WS. Haven’t been able to look away since. Amazing range of opinions and theories and incredible dedication from this group!

 

[pepper 34]

I mentioned this before, but I get stuck on the initial suicide call. I realize the situation is fluid and it takes a while to get a complete picture, but I thought LE always assumed the worst arriving on scene and then backpedaled if need be. In this case, it seemed like the opposite happened. They called suicide then escalated. Especially given that they knew there was a disturbance going on just minutes before and could very likely be coming to a situation in progress. Calling a suicide seems potentially dangerous until the entire house was cleared. I did come up with your theory myself, but where would Jayme be after all this time? It would seem that she would have to get someone very close to her to hide her and that would seem hard to keep from LE after all this time. Strictly my opinion, as well.

I think, although the 911 call might have sounded distant and muffled, perhaps... that a word or two might be able to be heard. (if not more) Maybe something the 911 operator heard or even thought he/she heard made him/her pass on information to LE that gave that impression (of possible suicide.) Not seeing anything at first to contradict such information may have lead the first LE arriving to report the same possibility.

 

[BB71]

REVISED/CORRECTED REPORT:

by BIANCA HILLIER

On a Sunday nearly one month ago, Jennifer Smith held a birthday party for her grandson at her Barron, Wisconsin home. Jennifer’s sister Denise Closs, who lived just a couple of miles away, came to the party with her 13-year-old daughter, Jayme. Jim Closs, who is Denise's husband and Jayme's father, was at work.

Investigators no closer to finding missing teen Jayme Closs whose parents were found dead in Wisconsin home

Which tells us we cannot trust this reporter to get her facts right. As she reports no source for the "Jim working" intel.