AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #23

[BlinkOfAnI]

Another thought: Whoever did it, they'd spent some time watching the house, I'll bet. No one is going to pull up to a random house and start blasting. They knew who was in the house, they knew exactly who they were after, they might even have had an idea of the internal layout of the place. There's another road to the north of the property, by the dairy. You could park your car there, and walk through the woods, watch the house, get an idea of the schedule.

Respectfully, People have gone into random houses and started blasting or killing in whatever method.

 

[MesquiteO21]

I hope perp or perps left some of their actual physical DNA and not just fibers and such. Scientists can build a pretty accurate description of someone based on their DNA like ethnicity, eye color, etc. that would be a huge and amazing piece to have right now

 

[Maybelline]

This is my first time posting but I have read all of the thoughts and ideas since this thread was open.
If this idea had not been bothering me so much I may not have even become a member to post myself instead of just reading. I am just curious if anyone knows or has thought of this idea (long shot) but was Jayme the biological child of James? That is one thing I thought could make someone angry.

 

[1987]

my thoughts have been that the shots would have been very close up, I was thinking like 3 or 4 feet, but if I think about more distance then I start thinking about the chair at the same time, maybe the first shot or shots where fired from outside door with killer standing at ground level not up on the porch. that could give the upward angle that has been thought if chair is shot. maybe chair was sitting near the door to sit in to put shoes on off at door in day to day life. as for gun type with the info we have I don't think there is a way to even guess cal or type.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

This is my first time posting but I have read all of the thoughts and ideas since this thread was open.
If this idea had not been bothering me so much I may not have even become a member to post myself instead of just reading. I am just curious if anyone knows or has thought of this idea (long shot) but was Jayme the biological child of James? That is one thing I thought could make someone angry.

Hi, Maybelline. I believe that topic has been discussed on an earlier thread, and the consensus was that Jayme is indeed James' biological child. How do you think, in this case, that issue would be one that "could make someone angry"?

 

[photographer4]

Speaking of gun battles, did they ever determine or say if more than one weapon was used that night?

I noticed in Sheriff Fitsgerald's recent interviews, he's referred to they or them, meaning more than one person being involved.

Or does he just say "they" or "them" as a pronoun as it's unknown whether it was one or more males or females?

 

[BlinkOfAnI]

In my Minnesota paper, I see people getting fines for schoolbus violations. How are those people busted?

In my state a bus driver can request a violation by calling the police and giving the LP #. The officer will deliver the citation to the address listed on the LP. I have a school age child who is in a wheelchair. The school bus has a lift and it takes a little longer (like 2 minutes longer) for her to board then what drivers are used to. I lost count of how many times people got impatient and just drove right on by. On some occasions I could see the the drivers hands moving with impatience and what looked like yelling at the bus. A family w/teens lived across the (a school teacher no less) street had a driveway directly across ours. They insisted on backing into the street or pulling in the driveway less then 3 ft from the front of the bus. Luckily the bus driver took safety very seriously and after several warning contacted police and the grandmother was cited. The police began sitting down the road after that because there were others. I must admit it was a little funny watching the other kids on the bus when it happened. They were all into helping the driver get info and talked about at school all day. Future WS'ers lol.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

This is my first time posting but I have read all of the thoughts and ideas since this thread was open.
If this idea had not been bothering me so much I may not have even become a member to post myself instead of just reading. I am just curious if anyone knows or has thought of this idea (long shot) but was Jayme the biological child of James? That is one thing I thought could make someone angry.

Welcome. Yes both Denise and James were her biological parents. I think she looks like both of her parents.

May I ask why that would make someone angry 13 years after Jayme was born?

 

[Maybelline]

Hi, Maybelline. I believe that topic has been discussed on an earlier thread, and the consensus was that Jayme is indeed James' biological child. How do you think, in this case, that issue would be one that "could make someone angry"?

I must have missed that one. I was actually just grasping at straws but thinking that maybe the biological father (only in my head of course) was someone who was unstable and he never knew about the child and from there I had a number of different ideas in my head.

I am glad I asked, however, because this has been bothering me for many days as I read through these posts.

 

[daisy6441]

I think the timing could simply be explained two ways:

1. Getaway time -- Without the 911 call no one would have known she was missing until school began on Monday. Even then, it would still take few more hours after that before anyone went to the house to check on the family after not being able to contact the parents. That gives the perp a 10+ hour head start on a getaway. Taking her from a bus stop or during the day means she is going to be reported missing a lot sooner. A daytime abduction would maybe yield an hour or two of getaway time at the absolute most, probably less than that. Taking her at night gives you way more time.

2. Lack of others around -- If you try to take her from the bus stop you run the risk of being seen by someone on the road. Or even if you try to invade the family home in the morning you aren't going to have the cover of night, and there is going to be traffic going by. The likelihood that someone would remember your car or see you dragging her out of the house is fairly high. Between the darkness and lack of traffic at 1am you are far more likely to go unnoticed. There are far more obstacles to avoid at 8am than there are at 1am.

Take those things into account, if the goal of the crime was to take Jayme then doing it at night makes the most sense.

But if Jayme was left to get on the bus herself in the morning that would mean her parents were already headed into work so it would be earlier than school starting that would put up a red flag.

 

[Pretty Go Pale]

This is information posted on the first page of each of these threads: "The [police] department says at this point there are no signs of drug or alcohol use and say this case is particularly interesting as there were no weapons found on scene."

This has nagged at me for awhile: Why did the police department find "this case particularly interesting" because "there were no weapons found on the scene"? I wouldn't think killers would leave behind guns in most homicides, yet the fact none were found on the scene is seen by the PD as "particularly interesting."

Makes me wonder if perhaps it was determined that James or Denise, in self defense, had fired a gun, but no weapons were on the scene when LE arrived, meaning the perp took that extra gun when he left.

 

[daisy6441]

Here are my thoughts:

Those first shots heard by the neighbors matter.
James worked that day.
Casino video used to look for get a way vechile.
No drugs. No gambling.
Jayme was the target.

Opinion only.

Did they look at the neighbors clock to see if it was set to the correct time? It could have been set 5 or 10 minutes ahead. I used to do that on purpose to make myself get up in the mornings.

 

[Confusion]

I think people are saying "double aught" which is basically "double zero"
I can't believe Jayme hasn't been found yet I am baffled by this one.

That's what it's supposed to be, but they even write it down as odd instead of aught. I keep going back and forth between "she must be alive or they would have found her body by now" and "she must not be alive or someone would have spotted her by now." Whichever is the correct belief, I wish they'd find her soon so people can know how to proceed. Either way, I don't think the effect all of this has had on her will be pretty. MOO

 

[daisy6441]

Hmm. They would have talked about it though? Something like "so and so just won't let it go! I saw them today giving me the evil eye still!" might be said. I just can't make it work that someone would be so mad from years ago and not have had any contact for years and then out of nowhere decides it's time for revenge. I would think there would be signs and at least periodic threatening or, at the least, some sort of unpleasant fairly recent contact. Plus people would know, which is what I was thinking. Maybe there is such a person but they seem so harmless no one takes them seriously. No idea, I just think someone would have an inkling if there was this type of situation brewing. IMO

Unless that person had moved away for a while and recently moved back to town?

 

[daisy6441]

This is information posted on the first page of each of these threads: "The [police] department says at this point there are no signs of drug or alcohol use and say this case is particularly interesting as there were no weapons found on scene."

This has nagged at me for awhile: Why did the police department find "this case particularly interesting" because "there were no weapons found on the scene"? I wouldn't think killers would leave behind guns in most homicides, yet the fact none were found on the scene is seen by the PD as "particularly interesting."

Makes me wonder if perhaps it was determined that James or Denise, in self defense, had fired a gun, but no weapons were on the scene when LE arrived, meaning the perp took that extra gun when he left.

They could have been in a safe and they couldn't access it right away.

 

[daisy6441]

Anyone else think it is odd to kick in the front door when you could have walked to the side of the house and broken the glass doors? It would have taken a lot less effort to shoot it or throw something through it.

 

[Mistermagoo]

I hope perp or perps left some of their actual physical DNA and not just fibers and such. Scientists can build a pretty accurate description of someone based on their DNA like ethnicity, eye color, etc. that would be a huge and amazing piece to have right now

I believe they are starting to actually be able to link DNA along family trees. So even if they do not have an exact DNA sample of a perp they may have genealogical DNA that leads them on the right path. Not positive about this but I think I can remember something like this being used by LE recently.

 

[1987]

This is information posted on the first page of each of these threads: "The [police] department says at this point there are no signs of drug or alcohol use and say this case is particularly interesting as there were no weapons found on scene."

This has nagged at me for awhile: Why did the police department find "this case particularly interesting" because "there were no weapons found on the scene"? I wouldn't think killers would leave behind guns in most homicides, yet the fact none were found on the scene is seen by the PD as "particularly interesting."

Makes me wonder if perhaps it was determined that James or Denise, in self defense, had fired a gun, but no weapons were on the scene when LE arrived, meaning the perp took that extra gun when he left.

article posted yesterday says fathers guns were found at the home, apparently not used or part of crime at all. nothing makes sure there wasn't a gun that no one else outside of home knew about. I think hunting guns are commonly kept locked up, some people have a handgun they keep out though, but with a child in the home who knows, some familys would lock all up period some would not. moo.

 

[photographer4]

If she spent a lot of time with her aunt, is it at all *possible* that maybe someone the cousin(s) know might have met Jayme and become infatuated with her? Someone who maybe only met her once or twice while she was hanging with the cousins? Grasping at straws.

 

[Intrigued25]

Haven't seen any pics of the main door, only full-glass storm outer door.

If reporters did see it, and were asked to withhold from public, it must be frustrating that it's coming out. These details help them quickly discern if someone was there/saw it first-hand, or not.

Last thing they need is weirdos falsely confessing, or pointing the finger at innocent people.

In regards to the full-glass storm outer door, obviously it was opened prior to shooting or glass would have been shattered. Did perp(s) open it to knock on the wood door prior to shooting? Do most storms stay open on their own or would the perp(s) have to hold it open while shooting at the wood door?