AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #24

[human]

Jayme’s voice would likely be on her own voice mail, for comparison.

That inplies to me that there is the ability to analyze and identify those sounds that could be heard on the phone.

 

[1987]

two days of open hunting and apparently nothing found. that's a lot of area covered with eyes I would think. hope this points to maybe she is still alive.

 

[human]

two days of open hunting and apparently nothing found. that's a lot of area covered with eyes I would think. hope this points to maybe she is still alive.

I think with the first days the most go out because of the anticipation.

I really think it would be hard to dig in the forest and even in a field so I would guess if she is not with is, she would have not been buried.

 

[rosesfromangels]

two days of open hunting and apparently nothing found. that's a lot of area covered with eyes I would think. hope this points to maybe she is still alive.

It’s extremely difficult to see remains outdoors. It seems Mother Nature embraces and camouflages them. They could have walked right past remains and not seen them. This is why you often see shoulder to shoulder grid searches.

Praying dear Jayme is still amoungst us in the living.

 

[Maybelline]

Agreed, Bug. I don't see how anything like that wouldn't be unknown to LE after all this time. Like I said, the affair angle never even crossed my mind until a few days ago. And it isn't something I'm seriously considering now, but reviewing the case with fresh eyes, I've tried to ask myself new questions that go beyond my normal parameters of logic. I just feel like I became locked into the random home invasion theory pretty early on, and can't see beyond it now.

If I am correct I my response, I believe in one of the recent videos with the Sheriff he said that they still had some warrants out there for some apps that do not disclose conversations, etc on a regular phone search. Am I wording that right? Hope so. I know when my teen uses Snapchat that disappears right away. Maybe more info will be forthcoming.

 

[Maybelline]

It’s extremely difficult to see remains outdoors. It seems Mother Nature embraces and camouflages them. They could have walked right past remains and not seen them. This is why you often see shoulder to shoulder grid searches.

Praying dear Jayme is still amoungst us in the living.

Ugh. Sometimes you wish you could put a “dislike” because the idea is creepy but “like” because you are so right on.

 

[Maybelline]

My #2 theory is a result of my hinky meter going into the red. I don't discuss it here for a number of reasons, mainly out of respect for the family, but also because discussing it here would be of no real benefit to Jayme. If it turns out my #2 theory is right...typing it out won't be helpful. If it turn out my #2 theory is wrong, it could be hurtful. So, I just don't see any upside to sharing.

All of which is simply to say that you are not alone in feeling that something is off. I suspect several of us feel the same way and simply choose not to express those thoughts.

I agree and speaking for myself only I cannot put my finger on it but something is odd to me.

 

[1987]

are hunting dogs used there for deer hunting? not that I think just any dog would be on the hunt for her, but dogs like to sniff smells that are new to them.

 

[cluciano63]

That inplies to me that there is the ability to analyze and identify those sounds that could be heard on the phone.

They may have and nothing else was useful.

 

[crhedBngr]

At the 2:30 mark on the video, Sheriff Fitzgerald says,
"All I can tell you is all of the social media platforms have been searched... "

He adds at the end, "Every app you need a search warrant to go after that company so there's still search warrants out there being served."

That gives me the impression that not all possibilities concerning social media have been searched yet? Of course, I'm not 100% sure what an "app" is. Some others would be better able to interpret the entire meaning of what he said.

RBBM

Another possible wrinkle is Jayme might have been using another name with her various social media apps (or app - not sure how many she actually had).

Here's an interesting article about this: Why do so many people fall for fake profiles online?

Just a thought, and JMVHO.

 

[photographer4]

I never went with a robbery gone wrong or wrong house until very recently.

When your home is broken into late at night and two members of your family are left injured one very seriously. Nothing of any value is stolen. The 3rd member of the family had the opportunity to grab the cordless phone hide and call LE.

Fear, Flight and Fright all set in, as does adrenaline and self preservation. Self preservation sets in because you are trying to protect your family the best way you know how. Call LE . If they can keep you on the line and talk to you safely they will.

When you and your family alongside LE are left wondering why a particular property and are left somewhat perplexed. the mind starts working overtime.

Maybe the Closs family incident was an aggravated robbery gone wrong at the wrong home and that the intruders expected to find one thing of value to s/he/them and were totally thrown when they didn't see what they expected to see or suddenly realised they were at the wrong house.

As for what sort of perpetrator/s

• Disorganised
• They didn't do their homework or research

As for family pets! They are very good at alerting, disappearing, hiding and returning when things are quieter and calmer. They are not daft

Unless you have lived through such fear you will never know how you will react. We are all different and react differently to such circumstances.

Mingy Moo

If this was a rob the wrong house scenario then I don’t get why James was killed seemingly right off the bat upon opening the door. It begs the question did someone knock first or ring the bell? If not when did they realize wrong house wrong people if at all? To me wrong house makes no sense when you think about how fast they seem to have taken out James. To me this was more targeted. They knew where they were, who they wanted and how they were leaving with her.

 

[photographer4]

This is new to me. Link please? TIA

I haven’t got it handy, but I’m sure it is out there. Maybe a fellow sleuther has links readily available...? Anyone?

 

[cluciano63]

My little terrier is a world class sniffer...every time we walk out, it is like she has never been out before. Every blade of grass must be examined. I see others walking past us with their dogs who are showing no interest in sniffing...I can’t help thinking she could be useful for something lol. Except that she is also extremely sociable and can’t bear not to greet everyone she sees as well...

 

[margarita25]

Maybe his intention was to murder two people as well as abduct, assault and kill a child. His motive could have been of a sexual nature and killing the parents was just part of the thrill to him. It could be as simple as that. Imo

It could be.

I like this post a lot, Ms.Betsy.

I think people Todd Koelhepp and Israel Keyes are good examples to show that multiple types of victims and crimes/MOs can occur. There are some other examples, like people who commit home invasions—there is more than one thing going on (robbery, assault...).

In summary, yes I think thrill kill and SA could occur simultaneously.

 

[Jazzy5980]

One key in this case is the darkness.

Nearby La Crosse, WI has only 95 days of sunshine, 97 days of partly sunny, per year. That leaves about 173 days per year that are solid cloud cover. Cloud cover and precipitation also mean no moonlight.
Annual Days of Sunshine in Wisconsin - Current Results

On Sunday night October 14, 2018, Barron, WI had thick cloud cover, very light snow, and a sliver of moon that could not be seen. Not sure if this link will work, but it's The Weather Channel historical data calendar:
Barron, WI (54812) Monthly Weather Forecast - weather.com

Within the town of Barron, Hwy 8 is known as W and E Division Street. The well-lit Jennie-o Turkey store occupies are very large land area at the corner of N 7th St and Hwy 8 in town. But as you leave town traveling west on Hwy 8, and it becomes 13 1/2 Ave in the unincorporated county, the darkness is thick. The clouds plus the surrounding woods would make everything pitch black. Along the stretch where the Closs home is located, there simply are no lights at all, no street lights, no businesses. Even with the porch light on, or any interior lights, it would be hard to find this house in the middle of the night unless a person knew exactly where it is.

Just on the sole issue of deep darkness in that area and that night specifically, implies planning and targeted IMO.

GPS/Mapquest

 

[Mom24]

If this was a rob the wrong house scenario then I don’t get why James was killed seemingly right off the bat upon opening the door. It begs the question did someone knock first or ring the bell? If not when did they realize wrong house wrong people if at all? To me wrong house makes no sense when you think about how fast they seem to have taken out James. To me this was more targeted. They knew where they were, who they wanted and how they were leaving with her.

I agree. This was targeted. I also think this was someone who had had an issue with the Closs' for years. I remember the poisoning in New Sweden Maine. A man had had issues with the people of the church for years, he was a local guy who had carried a lot of anger with the townspeople for decades. After a rather contentious issue one day he decided to poison everyone with arsenic. He waited and planned it for months, then at a potluck dinner, poisoned everyone.
I think this was someone that had had issues with Denise and Jim and they'd probably forgotten all about it but this man hadn't. He'd been simmering and fantasizing for years and then something happened that made him snap and he took out all his rage that night on the people he blamed for all his misfortunes. I'd be looking back at someone Denise had an issue with a long time ago, most likely when she was 13. I say that because Jayme looked so much like her mom it makes me wonder if someone wanted Denise and Jayme looked so much like her that they transferred that obsession to Jayme. Whoever it was, they didn't just want Jayme, they wanted to exact revenge on the parents as well and maybe the entire family.

 

[JnRyan]

With all of the speculation about things that one or more of the family may have done to trigger the attack, there's one (unlikely) thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet. Some people are perpetually angry, depressed, negative, paranoid, etc. people, and resent those who seem to be perpetually upbeat, happy, positive, etc. people. Could it be as simple as someone with that type of personality, and also come other emotional/cognitive issues, have just done it because they resented DC's personality, maybe jealous of her love of life or just thinking she was phony. The person could have gone there with the purpose of ending the "ray of sunshine" DC seemed to be, and to make sure that Jayme didn't turn out to be the same way. I would hope that seeing her parents murdered in cold blood and being abducted would be enough, but I hate to even think of what someone could do to ensure that a child didn't grow up to be happy and emotionally healthy. I really doubt this was the case, but it came to me after hearing someone criticize another one for being like DC (saying nobody is really that nice.) Just throwing a bit more wood on the fire. MOO

I would classify that as a 'perceived' wrong the killer believed one of them committed. It would be unknown to the Closs's and therefore everyone else. UNLESS, the killer says something unusual to someone else.

 

[cj1132]

are hunting dogs used there for deer hunting? not that I think just any dog would be on the hunt for her, but dogs like to sniff smells that are new to them.

No, dogs are not used in deer hunting as the deer would be able to smell them. Many hunters build a stand in a tree or hide in brush. Dogs are often used for small game like partridge or pheasants and that season starts in late October and runs into January. Duck season might still be open and dogs would be used for that. There are miles and miles of woods and, if Jayme is out there, finding her is going to be a matter of luck.

 

[JnRyan]

No, dogs are not used in deer hunting as the deer would be able to smell them. Many hunters build a stand in a tree or hide in brush. Dogs are often used for small game like partridge or pheasants and that season starts in late October and runs into January. Duck season might still be open and dogs would be used for that. There are miles and miles of woods and, if Jayme is out there, finding her is going to be a matter of luck.

It depends on state game laws. Where I grew up, the deer season was split into 3 sections. The first was only 'still' hunting - i.e., sitting in a stand near an area where deer were seen or deer sign was found. The other two sections they allowed dogs. The dogs tracked and then chased the deer much like fox hunts use dogs.

However, looking up the regulations on the Wisconsin DNR site it appears the use of dogs for other than tracking a wounded deer - while the dog is on a leash - is illegal in WI.

 

[rosesfromangels]

RBBM

Another possible wrinkle is Jayme might have been using another name with her various social media apps.

Here's an interesting article about this: Why do so many people fall for fake profiles online?

Just a thought, and JMVHO.

It will be traced via IP address and device ID regardless of user name(s) etc. The data persists and can be resurrected. It doesn’t matter if the app was post and disappear, the data persists in the “cloud”. The only exception would be if she had been communicating with someone on the dark web, (which more sophisticated pedo’s use), which would require much more effort to trace. Doable, but requires a more sophisticated skill set.

Amateur opinion and speculation