AMBER ALERT WI - Jayme Closs, 13, Barron, missing after parents found shot, 15 Oct 2018 *endangered* #24

[cluciano63]

If this crime really was a matter of just four minutes or so...seems less likely to be a random home invasion, imo. They wouldn’t have had time to terrorize the occupants into revealing location of valuables, search for any themselves, etc...and it doesn’t sound like the house was ransacked. Random meaning just any old house sitting out there by itself.

Taking Jayme makes it much more personal...either as target or additional revenge against the now-dead parents. Or the unfortunate but common motive of sexual assault. Not buying into taking Jayme as a whim...but all jmo.

 

[sumzero]

Denise was on the phone with her sister at 10:00 p.m. and at that time all the Closs's were home. It seemed to her sister everything was fine. This invasion, murder and taking Jayme all happened quickly and I believe closer to 1:00 a.m. This was at a time they would have all been vulnerable. This is another reason I think this had planning and was not a random act. Nothing was taken, except Jayme. I believe the intent was to execute her parents immediately in order to take Jayme without a fight. It didn't take long nor did it need to. Mission accomplished. The question is why did they want Jayme? There's not many options to consider with an answer to that.
all jmo imo imho

Yes, I agree. I don’t think we need to look for an obscure motive. It is what it appears. Someone with a depraved mind wanted this pubescent girl probably for sexual purposes. They came armed, ready to take out anyone who got in the way. They came at night, late, when the people inside would be at a clear disadvantage. (Or so it seems, IMO, based on what we know so far.)

 

[Peppery]

I've read that the mom was barricaded in both the bedroom and in the bathroom. If she was shot in the bedroom, there is probably at least her blood on the bed. LE is probably checking to see if any other DNA shows up, blood or otherwise.

Interesting. Do you have a link?

 

[Chloe_ee]

I’m not sure that proves she was in the house when her parents were killed. That phone could have been plugged in for any length of time. Is there actual proof her phone was there or is it theory??

Sorry I am a little behind, and I have not read everything here yet, but is there any proof that Jamie was home when her parents were killed?

 

[cluciano63]

I have not read everything on the case, am a little behind, but is there any proof that Jamie was home when her parents were killed?

LE said she was...they say based on the call as well as other evidence...have not specified.

 

[JnRyan]

Yes, while one of the main elements in the FBI’s generally used suspect profile is “may be acting strangely or may have missed work, etc.”, we have seen plenty of perps who go about their regular business and show up to work, etc.

That thought occurred to me when listening to an FBI special agent say the same thing about the Abigail Williams/Liberty German murders. Some of these abnormal personalities - psychopath, sociopath or narcissistic - have little or no conscience. So they are not bothered by it. I know I've read somewhere that a serial killer has his strongest reaction after his first killing - and it is not remorse - and after that the 'thrill' diminishes with further killings.

 

[Ragnarok]

Jayme Closs search leads police to ask hunters to look out for possible clues for missing Wisconsin teen

 

[human]

Another thing that confirms to me the voice heard on the 911 call was made by Jayme is Fitzgerald said the commotion seem to be coming from another room from where the cell was on and activated. .

Imo the room Jayme was in most likely trying to hide is where the commotion is happening. Imo

Imo it was when the suspect turned to Jayme after killing her mom and dad.

I think Denise had the phone in her hand but was unable to complete the call verbally to ask for help.

Then the suspect shot Denise killing her instantly before she could say anything and before the dispatcher answered and then kicked the phone away and didnt know the call had gone into the call center at that time.

The impression I get is both Jim and Denise's bodies were in the same general location and that is why he said he felt the cell phone was kicked and may have landed closer to Denise than Jim.

That has to mean imo both parents were found in close proximity to each other.

Jayme probably didnt even know about the 911 call going through. What is heard on the call is when the suspect then turned to Jaymes location.

Imo

How would they know it was Jayme’s voice? Do they have something else to compare it to? Maybe a message on her cell phone?

 

[human]

Another thing that confirms to me the voice heard on the 911 call was made by Jayme is Fitzgerald said the commotion seem to be coming from another room from where the cell was on and activated. .

Imo the room Jayme was in most likely trying to hide is where the commotion is happening. Imo

Imo it was when the suspect turned to Jayme after killing her mom and dad.

I think Denise had the phone in her hand but was unable to complete the call verbally to ask for help.

Then the suspect shot Denise killing her instantly before she could say anything and before the dispatcher answered and then kicked the phone away and didnt know the call had gone into the call center at that time.

The impression I get is both Jim and Denise's bodies were in the same general location and that is why he said he felt the cell phone was kicked and may have landed closer to Denise than Jim.

That has to mean imo both parents were found in close proximity to each other.

Jayme probably didnt even know about the 911 call going through. What is heard on the call is when the suspect then turned to Jaymes location.

Imo

How would they know it was Jayme’s voice? Do they have something else to compare it to? Maybe a message on her cell phone?

 

[human]

I definitely believe this is one of the reasons they know.

They are not going to release all they have discovered on the enchanced 911 call nor should they.

If this suspect is caught the enchanced call will become an important piece of evidence at trial.

Imo not only did they hear yelling and imo the voice they heard was not Denise but Jayme. Plus I suspect the suspect is also heard on the call.

If and when he is caught the FBI's voice analysis experts will be able to compare the voice tone on the call to the suspect.

This is also how LE knows Jayme isn't a runaway nor a suspect in this case imo.

Fitzgerald is going to keep all of this to himself as to what was actually heard on the call.

He will continue to be dismissive pretending nothing much was heard. As we know law enforcement officers can lie about anything in order to protect the integrity of the case.

Plus imo he wants the suspect to think they couldnt make out what was being said. They want him to feel at ease thinking they have nothing. We have seen this same ploy used before.

Fitzgerald knows whoever this is probably is keeping up with everything said by him in the media.

Imo the FBI profilers are telling him to stress they didn't recover much if anything when they enhanced the call.

Even though the suspect may have been in the home for four minutes that is ample time for them to have touched something leaving their DNA behind.

Rarely are there truly perfect crime scenes. 99 percent of the time they will leave something of themselves behind. It could be fingerprints..fibers or sweat or skin cell DNA or other trace evidence.

So the next thing I hope to see is Fitzgerald saying they are finally getting some of the lab results returned.

Also even though he says they have no suspect in mind doesnt mean its necessarily true and just may be a way of not alerting the suspect until they have enough probable cause for an arrest warrant.

So I do have positive thoughts this case is going to be solved in the coming weeks.

Jmo

How would they know it is her voice? Maybe a cellphone nessage from her on her parent’s phone?

 

[WiseOwl]

The sheriff said they “know” all three Closses were in the house at 10 pm. If so, with school and work the next day, it’s a good bet they never left again.

They knew because Denise's sister phoned her around 10.00 pm and said all 3 were at the house and everything seemed normal. Still hard to believe that less than 3 hours later James and Denise were dead and Jayme had disappeared.

 

[SandyQLS]

One key in this case is the darkness.

Nearby La Crosse, WI has only 95 days of sunshine, 97 days of partly sunny, per year. That leaves about 173 days per year that are solid cloud cover. Cloud cover and precipitation also mean no moonlight.
Annual Days of Sunshine in Wisconsin - Current Results

On Sunday night October 14, 2018, Barron, WI had thick cloud cover, very light snow, and a sliver of moon that could not be seen. Not sure if this link will work, but it's The Weather Channel historical data calendar:
Barron, WI (54812) Monthly Weather Forecast - weather.com

Within the town of Barron, Hwy 8 is known as W and E Division Street. The well-lit Jennie-o Turkey store occupies are very large land area at the corner of N 7th St and Hwy 8 in town. But as you leave town traveling west on Hwy 8, and it becomes 13 1/2 Ave in the unincorporated county, the darkness is thick. The clouds plus the surrounding woods would make everything pitch black. Along the stretch where the Closs home is located, there simply are no lights at all, no street lights, no businesses. Even with the porch light on, or any interior lights, it would be hard to find this house in the middle of the night unless a person knew exactly where it is.

Just on the sole issue of deep darkness in that area and that night specifically, implies planning and targeted IMO.

 

[cj1132]

One key in this case is the darkness.

Nearby La Crosse, WI has only 95 days of sunshine, 97 days of partly sunny, per year. That leaves about 173 days per year that are solid cloud cover. Cloud cover and precipitation also mean no moonlight.
Annual Days of Sunshine in Wisconsin - Current Results

On Sunday night October 14, 2018, Barron, WI had thick cloud cover, very light snow, and a sliver of moon that could not be seen. Not sure if this link will work, but it's The Weather Channel historical data calendar:
Barron, WI (54812) Monthly Weather Forecast - weather.com

Within the town of Barron, Hwy 8 is known as W and E Division Street. The well-lit Jennie-o Turkey store occupies are very large land area at the corner of N 7th St and Hwy 8 in town. But as you leave town traveling west on Hwy 8, and it becomes 13 1/2 Ave in the unincorporated county, the darkness is thick. The clouds plus the surrounding woods would make everything pitch black. Along the stretch where the Closs home is located, there simply are no lights at all, no street lights, no businesses. Even with the porch light on, or any interior lights, it would be hard to find this house in the middle of the night unless a person knew exactly where it is.

Just on the sole issue of deep darkness in that area and that night specifically, implies planning and targeted IMO.

I lived in the same type of area in Wisconsin for several years. It's dark at that time of night every day of the year. If a full moon, then yes, it would be lighter. IMO, no need for planning for that particular night.

 

[Confusion]

With all of the speculation about things that one or more of the family may have done to trigger the attack, there's one (unlikely) thing that I haven't seen mentioned yet. Some people are perpetually angry, depressed, negative, paranoid, etc. people, and resent those who seem to be perpetually upbeat, happy, positive, etc. people. Could it be as simple as someone with that type of personality, and also come other emotional/cognitive issues, have just done it because they resented DC's personality, maybe jealous of her love of life or just thinking she was phony. The person could have gone there with the purpose of ending the "ray of sunshine" DC seemed to be, and to make sure that Jayme didn't turn out to be the same way. I would hope that seeing her parents murdered in cold blood and being abducted would be enough, but I hate to even think of what someone could do to ensure that a child didn't grow up to be happy and emotionally healthy. I really doubt this was the case, but it came to me after hearing someone criticize another one for being like DC (saying nobody is really that nice.) Just throwing a bit more wood on the fire. MOO

 

[MsBetsy]

That thought occurred to me when listening to an FBI special agent say the same thing about the Abigail Williams/Liberty German murders. Some of these abnormal personalities - psychopath, sociopath or narcissistic - have little or no conscience. So they are not bothered by it. I know I've read somewhere that a serial killer has his strongest reaction after his first killing - and it is not remorse - and after that the 'thrill' diminishes with further killings.

True, and if this is the case here then killing the parents and taking Jayme may have been an attempt to go after that thrill. Maybe he has killed before but not 3 all as part of one incident. Imo

 

[MsBetsy]

How would they know it was Jayme’s voice? Do they have something else to compare it to? Maybe a message on her cell phone?

I think it would be very easy to differentiate a 13 year old girls voice from a middle aged woman. There is no mistaking it, imo.

 

[cluciano63]

Jayme’s voice would likely be on her own voice mail, for comparison.

 

[TCIntriguedIN30]

One-of-a-kind dog helps sniff out child *advertiser censored* in Wisconsin

He is deployed all over the state of Wisconsin. Recently, Kozak helped search the home of missing teenager Jayme Closs. Mech said he believed he recovered a tablet in that search.

That is just wow..They can train animals to do anything!

 

[human]

I think it would be very easy to differentiate a 13 year old girls voice from a middle aged woman. There is no mistaking it, imo.

But they would have no way of knowing if there was not another teen girl doing the crime with a male.

 

[Seattle1]

True, and if this is the case here then killing the parents and taking Jayme may have been an attempt to go after that thrill. Maybe he has killed before but not 3 all as part of one incident. Imo

I think the only thing we know for certain is that Jayme spent/spending her final hours with a (thrill seeking) vicious, brutal, killer that didn't hesitate to shoot down the parents in front of his minor, captive.